I'd like to see that stat too.. in recent times I feel our population has been growing (I'd guess null guys experiancing burn out from null migrating to WHs).

I, too, would like to see these stats...

In the past, Two Step was able to provide some statistics, such as POS's killed in each class of wormhole. I am assuming Chitsa or that other guy (his name escapes me) can get the same stuff.

Wait, we have TWO WH Reps?

7- I really didn't want to bring this into the conversation, but temnava was part of NOHO, and do you think they will invite some scrub with no wh experience into their alliance?

NoHo, specifically the alliance as a whole, voting on the yay or nay of individual members? Probably not.

Temnava Legion (which if you knew your former corp's history, was in TEMNAVA alliance with Temnava Foreign Legion [TMFL] and us, Obstergo, for quite a few months - and we know plenty of their members well enough) letting in a scrub player with no experience? Possibly yes. We all make mistakes...

I can only assume that your main(?) and your alt entered and left T.M.L at the same time, or at least within a few days of one another, and more than likely only stayed two months because you lacked what it took to roll with NoHo.

#WhereRMyMuffins

Can you post a link to the numbers that show wormholes are stagnant? I am genuinely curious to see those statistics.

The "WH meta" isn't stagnant either.I see groups, some of whom are good friends, trying all sorts of new fleet disciplines and if you ever follow the Alliance Tournament you'll see some of the shock wins are coming more and more from WH folk and their ability to think out of the box.

But if you are asking me whether I would rather push a heavy BS fleet or a same DPS and 150%+ tanked T3 fleet through to a fight ? ............... Lemme think about it.

I, too, would like to see these stats...

However, I'm in agreement with Greywind, though I won't claim facts or stats. We should put some pressure on Chitsa to get us some numbers.

wth do AT comps have to do with your day-to-day metas? The problem isn't that we're unimaginative, who said that?

But then, you're saying that the problem of the one and only meta of w-space brawls is that "they are necessary so there's no problem"? That's precisely the problem: why would someone use another meta in a brawl in w-space? And what did thinking "out of the box" have anything to do with it in the first place then?

I see groups, some of whom are good friends, trying all sorts of new fleet disciplines and if you ever follow the Alliance Tournament you'll see some of the shock wins are coming more and more from WH folk and their ability to think out of the box.

so on the people moving in to w space and stuff i have attually asked chista if he can find out the following.

how many sleepers have been killed each month for the last 18 months to 2 years.

and then a break down of how many sleepers killed per month by wh class for the last 18 months 2 years.

See that is the mistake right there, the rights stats should be how much pvp kills and their values we have relative to other parts of EVE and are they decreasing or increasing (even in relative terms), and how many fights end up in having 1.5b + (or some other number) in losses in wh space, a stat for serious fights.

Another stat should be the relative damage done by ship type and gun type in wormhole space in pvp, similar to the domi stat having 5 times the damage of the next ship in null sec. I will bet that they are more than 95% are dreads and t3 damage, with close range guns.

If the measure of success in wh is in PVE kills then I guess we don't see eye to eye, as I measure the viability of the space in PVP activity and not PVE. My issue mostly stems from wh space being converted slowly to a farming space for alts while the vast majority of PVP content (even relative to numbers of inhabitants) is happening in known space, hence my push for more conflict drivers.

It doesn't matter what you think or I think, the numbers show that wh are stagnant, losing members, same fights over and over with no evolution of any sort of meta, if you think that is ok all the power to you, I on the other hand is of the opinion that wh space can be so much better. F*** me for wanting better right?

And sorry for highjacking the thread xD, I am an assh*** I know.

the numbers show that wh are losing members

You are changing your point mid-argument. You are not claiming that pvp in wh is dying, you claimed that wh are losing members etc, and they are not evolving.

So you just reinforced that you are a troll alt.
If you are going to post with a troll alt, you obviously have no commitment/respect for yourself in this game or the wh community, no matter how many 'constructive conflict driving' posts you seem to have an 'opinion' on.

I agree with conflict drivers being important, we have had great conflict drivers. Just look at last year and a few weeks ago.

It just seems to me, every time you personally try and 'conflict drive' it is somewhat successful, but only towards generating conflict towards you.

I mean if everytime we have a 20 man fight we post about it, then we aren't having them a lot are we?

similar fleet comps and setups throughout all relevant wh groups, just look at the killmails, even the ones linked in this post, they are all the same ships with the same fits.

numbers

I knew damn well what I was jumping into
And def didn't expect to come out alive!

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My positions has always been that there is no higher level content in wormhole space, and not enough in game mechanics to drive pvp inside wh space. I never changed my argument. I should have emphasized the point more (made it clearer), the members I am talking about is higher level wh count, and people that actually create relevant PVP content.

My general dissatisfaction is two pronged:

1- The stagnant meta and similar fleet comps and setups throughout all relevant wh groups, just look at the killmails, even the ones linked in this post, they are all the same ships with the same fits.

2- The lack of conflict drivers and the lack of general strategic initiative in the PVP meta. Most relevant wh alliance are already having their bulk of PVP in known space, and if you look at most killboards, you will see a lack of pvp fights in wh space. I mean if everytime we have a 20 man fight we post about it, then we aren't having them a lot are we?

wh space gives us access to all kinds of space. This allows us to have fun in high/low/null if we want. To limit ourselves to one small spot in Eve to pvp, when you have such access is foolish, at best.

Being relatively new to wormhole space, I understand how it may seem stale, but for me, the meta of wh brawls is still fresh and exciting. While they may look the same on the surface, i've yet to be in a fight where it played out the same.




I'd just like to mention how nice it is to not have to do that 80 jump blue doughnut roam to find targets. I would encourage anyone that feels their area of k space is getting stale to give wh's a shot, The ability to be nowhere and anywhere at the same time will probably keep things fresh for me for quite some time.


v0v, maybe i'll get bitter soon, but for now I wouldn't want it any other way.

I'd just like to mention how nice it is to not have to do that 80 jump blue doughnut roam to find targets. I would encourage anyone that feels their area of k space is getting stale to give wh's a shot, The ability to be nowhere and anywhere at the same time will probably keep things fresh for me for quite some time.


v0v, maybe i'll get bitter soon, but for now I wouldn't want it any other way.