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Lakshata Chawla
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.02.25 04:49:00 -
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Thanks for bringing round 1.
We brought round two.
Thanks for both the good fights, now I'm ~destitute~.
May bob look down upon our sacrifices kindly.
Edit:
Here's a video of round 1, and We'll work on a round 2 one, and I'd love to see both fights from your perspective. |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
230
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Posted - 2014.02.25 04:59:00 -
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Awesome fight guys! Did excellent job of leveling the field with neuts and jams Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters
621
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Posted - 2014.02.25 05:03:00 -
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you guys really need to stop blue balling everyone :P Sky Fighters - WH Space Mercs. -áFor more details https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=286708&find=unread
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Senn Denroth
Lazerhawks
172
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Posted - 2014.02.25 05:27:00 -
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Yea stop blue balling everyone and start jumping in to magnatars! |
Lakshata Chawla
Blue-Fire
92
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Posted - 2014.02.25 05:31:00 -
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Senn Denroth wrote:Yea stop blue balling everyone and start jumping in to magnatars! it WAS a magnetar. |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
230
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Posted - 2014.02.25 05:42:00 -
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actually we only blue-ball RCC cause of the tears Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1092
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Posted - 2014.02.25 06:43:00 -
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Aquila Sagitta wrote:actually we only blue-ball RCC cause of the tears
Or because you're a vag Wormhole Minister of High Society Superior General | Order of Rob Minor @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Havoc Zealot
Sky Fighters
174
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Posted - 2014.02.25 07:38:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:Aquila Sagitta wrote:actually we only blue-ball RCC cause of the tears Or because you're a vag... Edit: It is understandable though. I guess our exquisite red coats can be intimidating.
I find them more erotic than intimidating. |
Caius Beriat
Blackstar Privateers Disavowed.
166
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Posted - 2014.02.25 08:48:00 -
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RIP Van's swaglfar |
Belgann
Blue-Fire
0
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Posted - 2014.02.25 12:08:00 -
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We were told not to disappoint, I hope we kept up our end of the deal. |
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Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
698
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Posted - 2014.02.25 14:03:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:Aquila Sagitta wrote:actually we only blue-ball RCC cause of the tears Or because you're a vag... Edit: It is understandable though. I guess our exquisite red coats can be intimidating. /popcorn There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
619
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Posted - 2014.02.25 14:59:00 -
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Aah you finally killed van's nag - we've had some good fights with and against whale girth. |
Bernie Nator
4U Services Inc. Upholders
955
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Posted - 2014.02.25 17:39:00 -
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Havoc Zealot wrote:Proclus Diadochu wrote:Aquila Sagitta wrote:actually we only blue-ball RCC cause of the tears Or because you're a vag... Edit: It is understandable though. I guess our exquisite red coats can be intimidating. I find them more erotic than intimidating. Me too!
Smoke bomb! |
Citrute
Whale Girth Grand Sky Wizards
122
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Posted - 2014.02.25 17:49:00 -
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Disappointed as I was not there for round 2. I'll see what i can do about stitching together something from round one, even tho guardian footage tends to be pretty boring. |
Senn Denroth
Lazerhawks
172
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Posted - 2014.02.25 22:29:00 -
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Lakshata Chawla wrote:Senn Denroth wrote:Yea stop blue balling everyone and start jumping in to magnatars! It WAS a magnetar.
lol I was requoting from the RCC vid where they blue balled you guys with 3 archons in their magnetar :D |
Calmatt
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
75
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Posted - 2014.02.25 22:32:00 -
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Senn Denroth wrote:Lakshata Chawla wrote:Senn Denroth wrote:Yea stop blue balling everyone and start jumping in to magnatars! It WAS a magnetar. lol I was requoting from the RCC vid where they blue balled you guys with 3 archons in their magnetar :D
The amount of t3's they had + DPS bonus from mag, completely negates archon reps on subcaps, they could switch targets and kill a t3 before archon reps can switch. They were unaware of this and thought we were overcompensating...so you've got the direction of blue-balls wrong. Anyways, we've kicked that dead horse enough :p.
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Senn Denroth
Lazerhawks
173
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Posted - 2014.02.25 23:00:00 -
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Calmatt wrote:Senn Denroth wrote:Lakshata Chawla wrote:Senn Denroth wrote:Yea stop blue balling everyone and start jumping in to magnatars! It WAS a magnetar. lol I was requoting from the RCC vid where they blue balled you guys with 3 archons in their magnetar :D The amount of t3's they had + DPS bonus from mag, completely negates archon reps on subcaps, they could switch targets and kill a t3 before archon reps can switch. They were unaware of this and thought we were overcompensating...so you've got the direction of blue-balls wrong. Anyways, we've kicked that dead horse enough :p.
Yes I know how a mag works, but I don't think you realise how wormholes work, as well as logistics. I think you just admited that your archon pilots idiots, either that or you don't understand the game or don't have the experience to be talking about what you're talking about.
When you're talking 10k reps vs 66k reps, MASSIVELY reduced cycle times vs longer guardian cycle times, and you complain that you might not have 6 seconds to lock and land the reps while one of your T3's goes through shield/armor/hull, YET you somehow turn it around to complain that the opposing side with it's vastly inferior logistics crew, unable to refit, etc, did not jump in to you to welp all their ships?? Wow..
So anyway, due to your comment.. I have to ask, were you planning on triaging all carriers or just one? If one, why have 3? If not 3, why not just 2 so you could at least have a chance of getting the fight? Don't worry, it will come with experience.
Instead you show it all to the world how you operate, so from here on you will never get a fight in your home. I congratulate you on your efforts.
Yea it is a dead horse, but it's your horse you put out there for the world to laugh at. Amazing!
P.S. Come back to me to argue when you have some experience triaging a shield fleet in a Mag then you will know what hard is. |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
232
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:04:00 -
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We're definitely not versed in the art of Magnatar warfare and that attributed to us losing the fight so astoundingly. Whale Girth was kind enough to school us in their home. We surely won't be making the same mistakes again!
Citrute wrote: ... Round 3?
HELLS YEAH!! ...just need to jew and replace my nag first
Also I motion round 3 be held in neutral wh Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
1067
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:11:00 -
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I have noticed a few groups (while in their home hole) claim to want a fight, then proceed to warp 6 dreads and 4 carriers to the wh, along with the usual smattering of T3s. I make sure to note who those groups are. Then, if I am FCing, I will also make sure to never put a single ship in their wormhole.
I am all for losing ships in a good/tough fight, but i refuse to pad anyones killboard No trolling please |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1101
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:12:00 -
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Senn Denroth wrote: spergy rambling
Looks like Calmatt struck a nerve. Wormhole Minister of High Society Superior General | Order of Rob Minor @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
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Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1101
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:17:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:I have noticed a few groups (while in their home hole) claim to want a fight, then proceed to warp 6 dreads and 4 carriers to the wh, along with the usual smattering of T3s. I make sure to note who those groups are. Then, if I am FCing, I will also make sure to never put a single ship in their wormhole.
I am all for losing ships in a good/tough fight, but i refuse to pad anyones killboard
It just looks like a few groups would prefer wormhole space to be a "fight club". I think WoW offers arena gameplay. Wormhole Minister of High Society Superior General | Order of Rob Minor @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Senn Denroth
Lazerhawks
173
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:19:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:I have noticed a few groups (while in their home hole) claim to want a fight, then proceed to warp 6 dreads and 4 carriers to the wh, along with the usual smattering of T3s. I make sure to note who those groups are. Then, if I am FCing, I will also make sure to never put a single ship in their wormhole.
I am all for losing ships in a good/tough fight, but i refuse to pad anyones killboard
Or some groups just post it all over the forums so you don't have to do the leg work
Proclus Diadochu wrote:Senn Denroth wrote: spergy rambling My ignorance is bliss.
Not sure that's it's totally allowed bit I'll misquote you seeing as you misquoted me. Whoops. |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1101
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:23:00 -
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Senn Denroth wrote:I LOVE HUGH BAGS OF DICKS ALL OVER MY FACE
Fine.. I'll accurately quote you. Also, how's your derpy fail cascade going? Wormhole Minister of High Society Superior General | Order of Rob Minor @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
1067
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:30:00 -
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Senn Denroth wrote:Or some groups just post it all over the forums so you don't have to do the leg work
If I went by forum posts and general shiit talking, we would never fight anyone I'd rather just find out for myself what people are about.
That said, efforts to warn the generral public are always appreciated lol No trolling please |
Winthorp
Sky Fighters
911
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:47:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:I have noticed a few groups (while in their home hole) claim to want a fight, then proceed to warp 6 dreads and 4 carriers to the wh, along with the usual smattering of T3s. I make sure to note who those groups are. Then, if I am FCing, I will also make sure to never put a single ship in their wormhole.
I am all for losing ships in a good/tough fight, but i refuse to pad anyones killboard It just looks like a few groups would prefer wormhole space to be a "fight club". I think WoW offers arena gameplay.
Bane forgot the best part to that plan is they make you wait 30mins telling you they are getting ready then they warp 6 dreads and 4 carriers at 70 on the hole and call out in local "we are ready now".
Best laid plans are all in yhe details. (Insert witty signature here) |
Van Steiza
Whale Girth Grand Sky Wizards
43
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Posted - 2014.02.26 01:52:00 -
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Aquila Sagitta wrote:We're definitely not versed in the art of Magnatar warfare and that attributed to us losing the fight so astoundingly. Whale Girth was kind enough to school us in their home. We surely won't be making the same mistakes again! Citrute wrote: ... Round 3?
HELLS YEAH!! ...just need to jew and replace my nag first Also I motion round 3 be held in neutral wh
HaH!
The loot from my Sweet Prince (Swaglfar) - May He Rest In Peace should cover your hull at the least :P. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
523
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Posted - 2014.02.26 01:55:00 -
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RCC is about chestbeating and namecalling on the forums and losing half a dozen dreads to a dozen russians with two dreads.
ISDs seem to turn blind on procs posts, so whatever. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
Moving pictures |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1101
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Posted - 2014.02.26 02:03:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:RCC is about chestbeating and namecalling on the forums and losing half a dozen dreads to a dozen russians with two dreads.
ISDs seem to turn blind on procs posts, so whatever.
You guys brought RCC into this thread. You're welcome to trash talk, but don't get mad when it bites you. Wormhole Minister of High Society Superior General | Order of Rob Minor @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1101
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Posted - 2014.02.26 02:35:00 -
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Guess I feel compelled to clarify. I've been active in the wormhole community for quite a long time now. I've seen groups rise and fall, sometimes it's even my group, but seen tons of groups rise and fall. That is the way this game works, regardless of the community. Also, it doesn't matter how good your group is in the community, you will eventually fail and whither. Examples can be groups like Transmission Lost, Narwhals, or even KILL's trouble lately, groups like CCRES, Guillotine Therapy, Exhale, or so on.
Whether you are a top notch PVP powerhouse, or a group of active trolls who PVP, you will eventually failcascade, lose a major fight, or whatever. This community is full of very similar groups with minor differences that think they are all so different.
Real talk, Blue-Fire's overall community is probably similar to our community within our respective groups. The differences we see are members, some have members like Bane, Max, Winthorp, and others that are very vocal or create a higher profile. We troll you guys because there was one time when some of our dudes met some of your dudes and neither group fought.
Because of the outcome of that event, our groups have some level of animosity toward one another. Now, from what I've seen and to tie some of this together, Blue-Fire is doing a good job of rising. So are other groups, and to be frank, you will eventually fail. So you can do one of two things: You can either embrace that fact and troll, like I do, because Bob knows that RCC will eventually fail; or you can try to serious spaceship this pixel spaceship game until you fail, then get mad and stuff...
I'm just going to have fun. Wormhole Minister of High Society Superior General | Order of Rob Minor @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Lakshata Chawla
Blue-Fire
94
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Posted - 2014.02.26 02:56:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:You can either embrace that fact and troll, like I do, because Bob knows that RCC will eventually fail; or you can try to serious spaceship this pixel spaceship game until you fail, then get mad and stuff...
I'm just going to have fun.
Almost 3 years strong on our "core" group, but I feel some day we will fall in numbers and participation back to our core like 7 or 8 people.
I am a mix of spaceserious and troll, and I embrace our rivalry with RCC (Although it's mostly just forum bullshitting) |
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Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1101
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Posted - 2014.02.26 03:04:00 -
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Lakshata Chawla wrote:Proclus Diadochu wrote:You can either embrace that fact and troll, like I do, because Bob knows that RCC will eventually fail; or you can try to serious spaceship this pixel spaceship game until you fail, then get mad and stuff...
I'm just going to have fun. Almost 3 years strong on our "core" group, but I feel some day we will fall in numbers and participation back to our core like 7 or 8 people. I am a mix of spaceserious and troll, and I embrace our rivalry with RCC (Although it's mostly just forum bullshitting)
That's what we have had happen a few times. The core group is what has kept us truckin' this far, but you are right, many people are with a group for the fair weather, but the core is where it's at. Wormhole Minister of High Society Superior General | Order of Rob Minor @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Vordak Kallager
Mafia Redux Phobia.
556
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Posted - 2014.02.27 10:27:00 -
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Can't we just all be friends? (: Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Arkon Olacar
Blue-Fire
287
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Posted - 2014.02.27 11:13:00 -
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Lakshata Chawla wrote:Proclus Diadochu wrote:You can either embrace that fact and troll, like I do, because Bob knows that RCC will eventually fail; or you can try to serious spaceship this pixel spaceship game until you fail, then get mad and stuff...
I'm just going to have fun. Almost 3 years strong on our "core" group, but I feel some day we will fall in numbers and participation back to our core like 7 or 8 people. I am a mix of spaceserious and troll, and I embrace our rivalry with RCC (Although it's mostly just forum bullshitting) Can we just kick all ex-Tengoo shitlords already? Warping to zero |
Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
340
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Posted - 2014.02.27 11:59:00 -
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Whaaaat, another 20 man t3 fight with blap dreads, and wow neuts that is unheard of, good job on the tactical intiative, definitely worth a forum post, because even now fights in wh are special, keep up the good work wh community, show those null sec blobbers how this game is supposed to be played. |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1111
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Posted - 2014.02.27 13:13:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:Whaaaat, another 20 man t3 fight with blap dreads, and wow neuts that is unheard of, good job on the tactical intiative, definitely worth a forum post, because even now fights in wh are special, keep up the good work wh community, show those null sec blobbers how this game is supposed to be played.
Cool story from a nerd who doesn't post with their main and probably doesn't do anything in wormholes.
You know the routine, eat a bag of dicks. Wormhole Minister of High Society Superior General | Order of Rob Minor @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
340
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Posted - 2014.02.27 13:45:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:Joan Greywind wrote:Whaaaat, another 20 man t3 fight with blap dreads, and wow neuts that is unheard of, good job on the tactical intiative, definitely worth a forum post, because even now fights in wh are special, keep up the good work wh community, show those null sec blobbers how this game is supposed to be played. Cool story from a nerd who doesn't post with their main and probably doesn't do anything in wormholes. You know the routine, eat a bag of dicks.
Yea a nerd with an "alt" that has more kills on his killboard than your "main" for the past 2 months, and name calling on the internet, you sir are a winner. Btw I always like how your argumentative style, shows how "smart" you actually are. Oh look a red coat go play with it. |
Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
82
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Posted - 2014.02.27 14:40:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:Whaaaat, another 20 man t3 fight with blap dreads, and wow neuts that is unheard of, good job on the tactical intiative, definitely worth a forum post, because even now fights in wh are special, keep up the good work wh community, show those null sec blobbers how this game is supposed to be played.
Was just 2 groups saying gudfite man.. no need to post something about how it was a worthless fight (I mean.. someone lost 8.4 billion Dread.. thats a bit above average wouldn't you say? And in the end its about having fun anyway.)
Also.. **** 500/1000/2000 man blobs in 10% TiDi.. I think I would have more fun watching paint dry.. -Bl+¦d |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1111
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Posted - 2014.02.27 14:47:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:Proclus Diadochu wrote:Joan Greywind wrote:Whaaaat, another 20 man t3 fight with blap dreads, and wow neuts that is unheard of, good job on the tactical intiative, definitely worth a forum post, because even now fights in wh are special, keep up the good work wh community, show those null sec blobbers how this game is supposed to be played. Cool story from a nerd who doesn't post with their main and probably doesn't do anything in wormholes. You know the routine, eat a bag of dicks. Yea a nerd with an "alt" that has more kills on his killboard than your "main" for the past 2 months, and name calling on the internet, you sir are a winner. Btw I always like how your argumentative style, shows how "smart" you actually are. Oh look a red coat go play with it.
Cool billboard argument that doesn't invalidate anything I said. "Oh my, that red coat guy called me a name, I should post again on my scrubby alt and call him dumb, yet forget to actually post anything that resembles anything intelligent myself."
take your garbage "conflict drivers" alt, eat loads of dicks, then biomass. Wormhole Minister of High Society Superior General | Order of Rob Minor @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Van Steiza
Whale Girth Grand Sky Wizards
43
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Posted - 2014.02.27 14:49:00 -
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Oh my Glorious Dread -
Rest in peace sweet prince. |
Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
340
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:07:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:Joan Greywind wrote:Proclus Diadochu wrote:Joan Greywind wrote:Whaaaat, another 20 man t3 fight with blap dreads, and wow neuts that is unheard of, good job on the tactical intiative, definitely worth a forum post, because even now fights in wh are special, keep up the good work wh community, show those null sec blobbers how this game is supposed to be played. Cool story from a nerd who doesn't post with their main and probably doesn't do anything in wormholes. You know the routine, eat a bag of dicks. Yea a nerd with an "alt" that has more kills on his killboard than your "main" for the past 2 months, and name calling on the internet, you sir are a winner. Btw I always like how your argumentative style, shows how "smart" you actually are. Oh look a red coat go play with it. Cool killboard argument that doesn't invalidate anything I said. "Oh my, that red coat guy called me a name, I should post again on my scrubby alt and call him dumb, yet forget to actually post anything that resembles anything intelligent myself." take your garbage "conflict drivers" alt, eat loads of dicks, then biomass.
How is making the observation that all wh fights looking the same dumb? Look at this, a 20 man fight happens and we have to make a ****** forum post about it. Do you think that means that wh is the vibrant content filled space it should be? All you did was call "alt" every time. Well this is a very active character that has more kills (lately) that your "main", I mean where do you draw a line between an alt and a main, I still don't understand why posting with this character makes my arguments invalid?
And yes as usual you show us your verbal acumen and argumentative superiority, "then biomass", did you come up with this yourself, very creative?
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
524
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:09:00 -
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Think good fights under those circumstances are quite rare, both times one party jumped into the others home-wormhole. In those two fights, one party jumped into the other knowing they'd be going down. Streiza jumped his Nagger Gun into our wormhole just to see it die (arguably their other dread went lost in transition it seems), Aq jumped his nag into their magnetar-homehole - though slightly underestimating the dps-output of 4 dreads in a mag.
The fact that neither side just blobbed the **** out of the other in those two situations is what made them so special. (First fight was about even numbers, with us throwing 2 pve-dreads at their pvp-dread, second round was BF outnumbering WG-subcaps, but they deployed a matching fleetcomp to take advantage of their dreadsuperiority and scored the dunk)
Just in comparison, other *notable* wormholegroups don't even dare to take a fight that doesn't happen at 0m on a wormhole, or just simply starts complaining that hostiles refuse to get rolled in as a prereq for any action to happen. Another very poplar method is to bring 6+ guards in a 15man fleet (no namecalling ;)), a tactic that also wasn't employed - to everyone's content.
Tl;dr: Thread was about a good fight, contained a videoreport from both perspectives - I can't see what's not to like. I'd be in favor of more people posting BRs here, since those are what wormholes ultimately boil down to.
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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mechform
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
4
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:40:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:Proclus Diadochu wrote:Joan Greywind wrote:Proclus Diadochu wrote:Joan Greywind wrote:Whaaaat, another 20 man t3 fight with blap dreads, and wow neuts that is unheard of, good job on the tactical intiative, definitely worth a forum post, because even now fights in wh are special, keep up the good work wh community, show those null sec blobbers how this game is supposed to be played. Cool story from a nerd who doesn't post with their main and probably doesn't do anything in wormholes. You know the routine, eat a bag of dicks. Yea a nerd with an "alt" that has more kills on his killboard than your "main" for the past 2 months, and name calling on the internet, you sir are a winner. Btw I always like how your argumentative style, shows how "smart" you actually are. Oh look a red coat go play with it. Cool killboard argument that doesn't invalidate anything I said. "Oh my, that red coat guy called me a name, I should post again on my scrubby alt and call him dumb, yet forget to actually post anything that resembles anything intelligent myself." take your garbage "conflict drivers" alt, eat loads of dicks, then biomass. How is making the observation that all wh fights looking the same dumb? Look at this, a 20 man fight happens and we have to make a ****** forum post about it. Do you think that means that wh is the vibrant content filled space it should be? All you did was call "alt" every time. Well this is a very active character that has more kills (lately) that your "main", I mean where do you draw a line between an alt and a main, I still don't understand why posting with this character makes my arguments invalid? And yes as usual you show us your verbal acumen and argumentative superiority, "then biomass", did you come up with this yourself, very creative?
Did he really make the same argument twice? I am no forum pvp'r but even I can come up with a better come back than reiterating my first shot down comment with different wording. Even if it is rtdd like 'no, you're stupid' or 'bag o dicks' at least it adds something to the discussion, rather than making it feel like you're reading the same post again. Black Power - Brotha's in space unite! |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1114
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:05:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:How is making the observation that all wh fights looking the same dumb? Look at this, a 20 man fight happens and we have to make a ****** forum post about it. Do you think that means that wh is the vibrant content filled space it should be? All you did was call "alt" every time. Well this is a very active character that has more kills (lately) that your "main", I mean where do you draw a line between an alt and a main, I still don't understand why posting with this character makes my arguments invalid?
And yes as usual you show us your verbal acumen and argumentative superiority, "then biomass", did you come up with this yourself, very creative?
I'll break my normal procedure for NPC alts, which is ofcourse telling you to gargle some dicks (because NPC alts traditionally post only to allow them to voice their opinion, usually ********, without risk of reprisal), and answer this question. The reason your observation is dumb, is because as someone who has been in fights EXACTLY like with this OP is referencing, I know for a fact they are amazingly fun. You claim that this is T3/Blap Dread blobbing, which tells me two things, you have never been involved in actual blobbing, and you have never been in one of these fights. Hopefully, you can grasp this concept, although you have this itch that wormhole space is broken, and so you probably won't and will argue from fruitless bullsh*t about how wormholes are dead or some such nonsense.
Wormholes aren't vibrant, but then again if you've flown in them as long as I've flown in them, or other members of this community, you will notice over time the luster wears off to a degree. For people that are new to wormholes, or even moving to new areas, wormholes seem very fun and are, in fact, vibrant for them. Could some changes improve wormholes, yes. Could those same changes harm wormholes, yes. From Bane's thread the overwhelming understanding is that overall, the wormhole community would rather CCP not risk making big changes to wormholes, to avaiod ruining the community.
You're an alt. You've admitted you're an alt. You've had more kills over the last couple months because I have a real life career, with a very reputable microprocessor company, and my job has ramped up lately, leaving little time to enjoy the fleets within my alliance. Although, I do manage time for the "meta", as I still have time and access to computers that don't have the client on them. This doesn't negate the fact that you refuse to join the community and voice your opinion on your primary character. Hell, I doubt anyone would even care if this was your alt, as long as the poster was in a credible organization. NPC corps/factions have no credibility in this community. I draw the line, like most people.
When you are on comms, do people call you Joan? If no, then Joan is not your main.
Also, my verbal acumen far exceeds that of most people, and I choose to condescend toward you, and all NPC alts because if you don't have the balls to put your money, reputation, and community where your mouth is, or participate in this community as a member of this community, then frankly you should simply biomass. The fact is that people who can't stand up and back up their opinion are inferior in the forum shiptoasting community. No amount of killmails, arguments, or posts will change the fact that you hide behind a NPC alt.
Also, wormholes aren't broken. You can't win this argument, because you are wrong.
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Lloyd, you keep referring to "notable" groups that don't take fights. I will say, on behalf of our group, that we have and continue to take fights just like the one's you guys had with "Da Girth". I am sure that you may be referring to others, but I wanted to point out that just because people haven't taken a fight with you, doesn't mean that they don't take these fights or whatever with other groups. Sometimes, the stars don't align. You are correct that these are rare. My most memorable one's similar to these were with SSC, NoHo, and Hard Knocks. They happen sometimes, and sometimes they don't. I think that BR's are great, but the sideway remarks that you guys make sometimes definitely fuel some groups' "rivalries" or dislikes for other groups, probably just like my comments and those of people like myself fuel the same issues. Just thought you should be aware, in case you didn't realize that "notable" groups do have fights like this with other groups, even if it isn't Blue-Fire.
Ex)
http://redcoats.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=20491894 - NoHo http://redcoats.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=19228961 - lol Razor? http://redcoats.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=17820235 - TL http://redcoats.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14022954 - Hard Knocks http://redcoats.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14071350 - SSC
This isn't all of them, and I'm sure most notable groups and some not-so-notable groups could also link a handful if not more good fights in this "broken" wormhole community. Whatev's, point is wormhole groups do fight, there is fun, and wormholes aren't broken.
:lawyered:#ProcforCSM9 Wormhole Minister of High Society Superior General | Order of Rob Minor @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
1069
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:21:00 -
[44] - Quote
Wormhole fights tend to look the same because of the nature of wormholes. They are NOT permanent , infinite mass structures. You also end up 5k or less from the wormhole. No jumping in your nano gang and expecting to survive when you have a bubble up and a massive gang on the other side waiting for you. Low mass, big tank ships are the best option (T3's).
Now, I will even admit that I don't enjoy the wormhole meta of armor t3s, guardians, etc..I'm hoping they "balance" the T3 ships enough to where other ships are just as viable No trolling please |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
232
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:29:00 -
[45] - Quote
Lloyd Roses wrote: Aq jumped his nag into their magnetar-homehole - though slightly underestimating the dps-output of 4 dreads in a mag.
I knew damn well what I was jumping into And def didn't expect to come out alive! Blue-Fire Best Fire |
mechform
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
4
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:36:00 -
[46] - Quote
Ask Rob, and proc will deliver. boballelujah.
#missedtheshortbusandstillgotschooled Black Power - Brotha's in space unite! |
Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
340
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Posted - 2014.02.27 19:16:00 -
[47] - Quote
mechform wrote:Ask Rob, and proc will deliver. boballelujah.
#missedtheshortbusandstillgotschooled
Yes because "it's not good but we don't want it to be worse" argument is me getting schooled. Like null sec or not, but they don't go around saying "sov is not good, but we don't ask for change because CCP might ruin it". It seems the only people that stayed in wh space over the 4th year of stagnation are the people with that sort of weak point of view.
Yea the kills you linked are not opening for me for some weird reason, but I can bet they are mostly (if not all) the typical t3 fight on a wh entrance.
And even if you bothered to look at the corp history of this "alt" (which I have explained multiple times how it really isn't, but you choose to ignore anyways) you would have known that I have been in at least a couple (possibly much more) fights in wh space. If you have see one you have seen all really, and that is the heart of the problem.
So yes stroke each other's back with your hash tags and "troll speak" but you argument basically boils down to "We are afraid of change because things might get worse, so we hang on to what little we have now".
Wh is not active enough, safe and stagnant, and it is a time for some changes. |
mechform
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
4
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Posted - 2014.02.27 19:19:00 -
[48] - Quote
sounds like butthurt Black Power - Brotha's in space unite! |
Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
340
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Posted - 2014.02.27 19:20:00 -
[49] - Quote
mechform wrote:sounds like butthurt
Yea because I am the one harping about biomassing, and eating bags of dicks.
If you can't beat them troll them, love conversing with you guys. |
mechform
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
4
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Posted - 2014.02.27 19:28:00 -
[50] - Quote
Glad you could admit it.
only big alts admit when they are wrong. Black Power - Brotha's in space unite! |
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AssassinationsdoneWrong
The Nexus 7's
83
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Posted - 2014.02.27 19:49:00 -
[51] - Quote
Joan Greywind wrote:Whaaaat, another 20 man t3 fight with blap dreads, and wow neuts that is unheard of, good job on the tactical intiative, definitely worth a forum post, because even now fights in wh are special, keep up the good work wh community, show those null sec blobbers how this game is supposed to be played.
You seriously need to stfu or mtfu and post hard with your main in some way that makes any of us believe that you have ANY real small or large fleet, gf or blob fest experience. I watched this vid with appreciation for what it was ..... an effing good fight that didn't grudge up or over escalate. Both sides played a hand rather than a deck of cards and ended up getting GF's that will go on in the same manner.
There are a few issues with WH's but tbh you seem to be one of the worst of them (You managed to get me finally agreeing with Bane and Proc).
BTW Great thread and fight guys and thanks OP and vid guy for putting this up.
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AgentFiftySix
Sky Fighters
2
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Posted - 2014.02.27 19:55:00 -
[52] - Quote
Joan Greywind wrote:
And even if you bothered to look at the corp history of this "alt" (which I have explained multiple times how it really isn't, but you choose to ignore anyways) you would have known that I have been in at least a couple (possibly much more) fights in wh space. If you have see one you have seen all really, and that is the heart of the problem.
So yes stroke each other's back with your hash tags and "troll speak" but you argument basically boils down to "We are afraid of change because things might get worse, so we hang on to what little we have now".
Wh is not active enough, safe and stagnant, and it is a time for some changes. And no one used the word "broken" btw, mechanically speaking wormhole space is the best space in game, just small, but important changes to make the meta vibrant again.
I'm just going to go ahead and call you out here. You were in Temnava for 2 months during which time you had 0 kills in any space. Either your claim that you have ever been a WH battle is false or your assertion that you are in fact not posting on an alt is false. Even if you were posting on your main I would still ignore your ridiculous statements about the stagnation of W-Space. Maybe try using "I feel" statements as it might make you sound less stupid, although I'm not sure there is any hope for that. |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
1071
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Posted - 2014.02.27 21:27:00 -
[53] - Quote
AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote: (You managed to get me finally agreeing with Bane and Proc).
Hell doesn't always freeze over. But when it does, you agree with Bane. No trolling please |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1120
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Posted - 2014.02.27 21:33:00 -
[54] - Quote
Bane Nucleus wrote:AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote: (You managed to get me finally agreeing with Bane and Proc).
Hell doesn't always freeze over. But when it does, you agree with Bane.
About the only thing Bane and I don't agree on is which one of us would look sexier with a CSM tag on the forums...
Also, to the forum alt who spent two months in TEMNAVA, I've not forgotten about you. Give me time to collect my words, I spit them everywhere reading that shiptoasting you consider content earlier... Wormhole Minister of High Society Superior General | Order of Rob Minor @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1120
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Posted - 2014.02.27 22:22:00 -
[55] - Quote
Joan Greywind wrote: Proc4CSM
Alright, so to start with, you basically asserted that I called the wormhole community a bunch of pansies for saying that they donGÇÖt think that the wormhole community is broken enough to ask CCP for hard changes. I, in fact, said that the overwhelming understanding was that the community would rather not ask CCP to change things and ruin the community.
Now, IGÇÖll break this down into simple English, since IGÇÖm assuming based on your two months with my former alliance brethren, English is not your first language: Wormholers. DonGÇÖt. Think. Wormholes. Are. Broken.
Overall, some would like a purple wormhole here, or dual static C4 there. Some would like POS changes, some would like T3 rebalancing, some donGÇÖt want T3 rebalancing, some would like better isk potential in lower-end wormholes, some (read: many) think wormholes are fine.
The problem with you, alt of some random who claims to have been in more wormhole fights than me (which I find laughable and highly unlikely), is you assert your fictions, that you conceive in that marble-infested brain of yours, as facts, presenting them as facts that we, the wormhole community, should agree with you upon, or face you telling us we are GÇ£scaredGÇ¥. Even my GÇ£bag oGÇÖ dicksGÇ¥ line has more creativity than your seventh grade attempt at a troll.
Your argument that T3/Dread fights are bland is nothing new. If you put on your big boy britches and venture outside the yard, youGÇÖd see that other communities have very similar issues. Bane hit the nail when he said that T3 usage is a product of our environment, just like Super/Titan/T2 Sentry warfare is the end all norm in null right now. These methodologies are the products of the environment. Now, Bane called it when he said that T3 rebalancing could resolve this GÇ£issueGÇ¥, if it is even an issue.
You said that T3 fights are just the same of same of same, and frankly, you still havenGÇÖt shown that youGÇÖve ever been involved in one. (Also, just copy the links and post them in the address bar to see the killmails, you have to be some level of dumb to not have known the issue exists, but what evGÇÖs) The fact, as stated earlier in your little school lesson is that they are fun. FUN. I enjoy the everything of a fight on, near, whatever a wormhole with my (Insert T3/Bhaalgorn[R.I.P.]), because you can say whatever you want, spew whatever nonsense about the tedium of T3GÇÖs and wormholes, but those fights are fun, and if you are doing it right, can go either way. The reason why most of the time, they are slaughters, even though they can last 1-2 hours is because in the fight, the players have to make critical decisions with their ships, that can make or break the fight for one side. Every ship counts, and it isnGÇÖt just the numbers, but the roles, the force multiplying, the FCGÇÖing, the coordination, the discipline.
You know nothing, Joan Snow. Wormhole Minister of High Society Superior General | Order of Rob Minor @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Calmatt
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
76
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Posted - 2014.02.27 23:01:00 -
[56] - Quote
Proclus Diadochu wrote:Joan Greywind wrote: Proc4CSM You know nothing, Joan Snow.
Aye but that TUNGUE. |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
1071
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Posted - 2014.02.27 23:31:00 -
[57] - Quote
Proclus Diadochu wrote:
Bane is right. All hail Bane.
Summarized for everyone else who didn't read it. No trolling please |
Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
340
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Posted - 2014.02.27 23:51:00 -
[58] - Quote
Proclus Diadochu wrote:Joan Greywind wrote: Proc4CSM Stuff.
See that is the problem, you keep warping what I say to fit your own narrative.
1- I never said you called the community anything, I just stated that you don't want any changes because you are afraid CCP are going to **** it up, which you said in this very topic.
2- I never said wormholes are broken, I even stated that in words in the topic also, I said the meta is stagnant, which totally different from being broken.
3- I never claimed I had more wh kills than you, I just stated in the last 2 month on this "forum alt" I had more kills than your "main", just showing that this isn't a forum alt, and if it is the only character I post with, that has connections to the people I fly with, who are you to say that this isn't deemed worthy to post with.
4- I never said anyone should agree with me, I was just stating my opinion, it was you in fact that jumps at the first opportunity to claim that you are all knowing, throwing your epeen around, and basically stating your opinions as facts.
5- When you use the same ships, with similar fittings, with similar setups, with similar tactics, in similar locations, then yes the fights are bland, they are repetitive and there is very little room for creative and strategic initiative.
6- So bane is proposing a t3 balance of some sort, and how is that different from what I am asking? It is exactly the same point, why is he right and I am wrong? And if you haven't noticed ships including the very metas you mentioned supers, titans, and sentries required CCP to intervene multiple times and balance them, that is the only way they can got them fixed. When any strat is not balanced you can't blame the players for using them, that is exactly why CCP has to come in and balance an overused (hence overpowered) class of ships.
7- I really didn't want to bring this into the conversation, but temnava was part of NOHO, and do you think they will invite some scrub with no wh experience into their alliance? I mean if anybody loves their t3's its NOHO and you can't be there without using them. Disclaimer: Any opinion of mine or connection does not reflect on them in any way.
8- I never said they aren't fun, or that they aren't worth having, on the contrary those fights are some of the best I had, but when they are the only type of fights in wh space then it becomes a problem.
It doesn't matter what you think or I think, the numbers show that wh are stagnant, losing members, same fights over and over with no evolution of any sort of meta, if you think that is ok all the power to you, I on the other hand is of the opinion that wh space can be so much better. F*** me for wanting better right? |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
1072
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Posted - 2014.02.28 00:12:00 -
[59] - Quote
Joan Greywind wrote:
It doesn't matter what you think or I think, the numbers show that wh are stagnant, losing members, same fights over and over with no evolution of any sort of meta,
Can you post a link to the numbers that show wormholes are stagnant? I am genuinely curious to see those statistics. No trolling please |
Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
83
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Posted - 2014.02.28 00:57:00 -
[60] - Quote
Bane Nucleus wrote:Joan Greywind wrote:
It doesn't matter what you think or I think, the numbers show that wh are stagnant, losing members, same fights over and over with no evolution of any sort of meta,
Can you post a link to the numbers that show wormholes are stagnant? I am genuinely curious to see those statistics.
I'd like to see that stat too.. in recent times I feel our population has been growing (I'd guess null guys experiancing burn out from null migrating to WHs). -Bl+¦d |
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
527
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Posted - 2014.02.28 01:02:00 -
[61] - Quote
Got to say, it's quite foolish to call those T3-pimpfests boring at all. It just so happens that many colliding entities can field roughly even numbers or atleast succesfully pretend to only have matching numbers to make fantastic engagements or sometimes horribly onesided ganks, but welp happens. It's (T3-warfare) a game that is played at the upper top of tech you can buy - and every oh so little difference in tactics and positioning can make for a vastly varying outcome, even though both sides are - for the unsuspecting - fielding identical fleets. I'd assume that more people would be flying an astarte instead of a proteus if it wouldn't take that much more time to train. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
Moving pictures |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1123
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Posted - 2014.02.28 01:27:00 -
[62] - Quote
Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Joan Greywind wrote:
It doesn't matter what you think or I think, the numbers show that wh are stagnant, losing members, same fights over and over with no evolution of any sort of meta,
Can you post a link to the numbers that show wormholes are stagnant? I am genuinely curious to see those statistics. I'd like to see that stat too.. in recent times I feel our population has been growing (I'd guess null guys experiancing burn out from null migrating to WHs).
I, too, would like to see these stats... Wormhole Minister of High Society Superior General | Order of Rob Minor @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
706
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Posted - 2014.02.28 01:46:00 -
[63] - Quote
Proclus Diadochu wrote:Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Joan Greywind wrote:
It doesn't matter what you think or I think, the numbers show that wh are stagnant, losing members, same fights over and over with no evolution of any sort of meta,
Can you post a link to the numbers that show wormholes are stagnant? I am genuinely curious to see those statistics. I'd like to see that stat too.. in recent times I feel our population has been growing (I'd guess null guys experiancing burn out from null migrating to WHs). I, too, would like to see these stats... I, too, would like to see these stats...
However, I'm in agreement with Greywind, though I won't claim facts or stats. We should put some pressure on Chitsa to get us some numbers. There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
1094
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Posted - 2014.02.28 02:42:00 -
[64] - Quote
In the past, Two Step was able to provide some statistics, such as POS's killed in each class of wormhole. I am assuming Chitsa or that other guy (his name escapes me) can get the same stuff. No trolling please |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1125
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Posted - 2014.02.28 02:43:00 -
[65] - Quote
Bane Nucleus wrote:In the past, Two Step was able to provide some statistics, such as POS's killed in each class of wormhole. I am assuming Chitsa or that other guy (his name escapes me) can get the same stuff.
Wait, we have TWO WH Reps? Wormhole Minister of High Society Superior General | Order of Rob Minor @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
707
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Posted - 2014.02.28 03:38:00 -
[66] - Quote
Proclus Diadochu wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:In the past, Two Step was able to provide some statistics, such as POS's killed in each class of wormhole. I am assuming Chitsa or that other guy (his name escapes me) can get the same stuff. Wait, we have TWO WH Reps? Lol was just gonna say that. There were some stats in 2012 that I assumed were measured as average number of players logging in each sec. If they can do that again, especially if they can show that diachronically, it'd be informative and useful, might give us as players and the CSM more data to work with when we argue about how this or that is good or bad for w-space. There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
JK Shadow
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
9
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Posted - 2014.02.28 05:44:00 -
[67] - Quote
Joan Greywind wrote: 7- I really didn't want to bring this into the conversation, but temnava was part of NOHO, and do you think they will invite some scrub with no wh experience into their alliance?
NoHo, specifically the alliance as a whole, voting on the yay or nay of individual members? Probably not.
Temnava Legion (which if you knew your former corp's history, was in TEMNAVA alliance with Temnava Foreign Legion [TMFL] and us, Obstergo, for quite a few months - and we know plenty of their members well enough) letting in a scrub player with no experience? Possibly yes. We all make mistakes...
I can only assume that your main(?) and your alt entered and left T.M.L at the same time, or at least within a few days of one another, and more than likely only stayed two months because you lacked what it took to roll with NoHo.
#WhereRMyMuffins |
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
73
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Posted - 2014.02.28 07:00:00 -
[68] - Quote
JK Shadow wrote:Joan Greywind wrote: 7- I really didn't want to bring this into the conversation, but temnava was part of NOHO, and do you think they will invite some scrub with no wh experience into their alliance?
NoHo, specifically the alliance as a whole, voting on the yay or nay of individual members? Probably not. Temnava Legion (which if you knew your former corp's history, was in TEMNAVA alliance with Temnava Foreign Legion [TMFL] and us, Obstergo, for quite a few months - and we know plenty of their members well enough) letting in a scrub player with no experience? Possibly yes. We all make mistakes... I can only assume that your main(?) and your alt entered and left T.M.L at the same time, or at least within a few days of one another, and more than likely only stayed two months because you lacked what it took to roll with NoHo. #WhereRMyMuffins
You mean the 5 chars who left at exactly the same time an have the same corp history? Surely thats far fetched
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AssassinationsdoneWrong
The Nexus 7's
84
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Posted - 2014.02.28 07:19:00 -
[69] - Quote
Bane Nucleus wrote:Joan Greywind wrote:
It doesn't matter what you think or I think, the numbers show that wh are stagnant, losing members, same fights over and over with no evolution of any sort of meta,
Can you post a link to the numbers that show wormholes are stagnant? I am genuinely curious to see those statistics.
To my mind we had a quiet Christmas and then came back to targets everywhere! WH's C1-4 are repopulating very quickly.
The "WH meta" isn't stagnant either.I see groups, some of whom are good friends, trying all sorts of new fleet disciplines and if you ever follow the Alliance Tournament you'll see some of the shock wins are coming more and more from WH folk and their ability to think out of the box.
But if you are asking me whether I would rather push a heavy BS fleet or a same DPS and 150%+ tanked T3 fleet through to a fight ? ............... Lemme think about it.
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Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
708
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Posted - 2014.02.28 08:07:00 -
[70] - Quote
AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote:
The "WH meta" isn't stagnant either.I see groups, some of whom are good friends, trying all sorts of new fleet disciplines and if you ever follow the Alliance Tournament you'll see some of the shock wins are coming more and more from WH folk and their ability to think out of the box.
But if you are asking me whether I would rather push a heavy BS fleet or a same DPS and 150%+ tanked T3 fleet through to a fight ? ............... Lemme think about it.
wth do AT comps have to do with your day-to-day metas? The problem isn't that we're unimaginative, who said that?
But then, you're saying that the problem of the one and only meta of w-space brawls is that "they are necessary so there's no problem"? That's precisely the problem: why would someone use another meta in a brawl in w-space? And what did thinking "out of the box" have anything to do with it in the first place then? There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
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corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
164
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Posted - 2014.02.28 08:30:00 -
[71] - Quote
Tul Breetai wrote:Proclus Diadochu wrote:Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Joan Greywind wrote:
It doesn't matter what you think or I think, the numbers show that wh are stagnant, losing members, same fights over and over with no evolution of any sort of meta,
Can you post a link to the numbers that show wormholes are stagnant? I am genuinely curious to see those statistics. I'd like to see that stat too.. in recent times I feel our population has been growing (I'd guess null guys experiancing burn out from null migrating to WHs). I, too, would like to see these stats... I, too, would like to see these stats... However, I'm in agreement with Greywind, though I won't claim facts or stats. We should put some pressure on Chitsa to get us some numbers.
Well these arent exact numbers, but I had a quick look(and i do mean a quick look) at the amount of hulls being sold each day in jita for last 3 months, and these seem to be fairly stable. so a steady demand.
The amount of melted nanos being sold is also pretty steady, however the price of nanos has dropped significantly in the last 3 months 4.4m each to 3.6m each which to me means more are on the market now lowering the price. which would indicate more people are killing sleepers. which i suppose could mean people are carebearing it up 20% more or maybe we just have more people in wh space (probably c4 space is my guess as its alot fuller than people think).
some one who is better at this market interpretation might be able to do a better job than me.
It should be fairly easy to check dotlan and find out just how many sleeper kills there have been in say the last month compared to feb a year ago.
I'm going to ask chista and the other guy anywa for some numbers. |
AssassinationsdoneWrong
The Nexus 7's
84
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Posted - 2014.02.28 08:44:00 -
[72] - Quote
Tul Breetai wrote: wth do AT comps have to do with your day-to-day metas? The problem isn't that we're unimaginative, who said that?
But then, you're saying that the problem of the one and only meta of w-space brawls is that "they are necessary so there's no problem"? That's precisely the problem: why would someone use another meta in a brawl in w-space? And what did thinking "out of the box" have anything to do with it in the first place then?
First AT Comps don't do anything for day-today metas but, having been through the process of setting up and seeing it first hand the fapping and brainstorming actually DOES throw out ideas that I've seen put in place in the game.
No I didn't say I had the "cure for the one and only WH meta" just reinforcing WHY they are the only real option atm and hoping that new T3 changes will force that issue a bit other than the odd sac being included.
Bit hostile this morning?
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Sandslinger
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2014.02.28 09:06:00 -
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Noho official announcement :
A mistake was made we realized on alliance lvl and corrected it, happier day by day by that fact .
Much love Sandslinger Executive Director NoHo |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
528
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:11:00 -
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AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote:I see groups, some of whom are good friends, trying all sorts of new fleet disciplines and if you ever follow the Alliance Tournament you'll see some of the shock wins are coming more and more from WH folk and their ability to think out of the box.
Honestly, not everything wormholes is snails&frogs. The AT teams that prevailed have been mostly those with lots of nullexperience (VoC, KICK), or people that farm in w-space and actually do lowsec instead.
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
164
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:30:00 -
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so on the people moving in to w space and stuff i have attually asked chista if he can find out the following.
how many sleepers have been killed each month for the last 18 months to 2 years.
and then a break down of how many sleepers killed per month by wh class for the last 18 months 2 years. |
Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
340
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Posted - 2014.02.28 13:36:00 -
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corbexx wrote:so on the people moving in to w space and stuff i have attually asked chista if he can find out the following.
how many sleepers have been killed each month for the last 18 months to 2 years.
and then a break down of how many sleepers killed per month by wh class for the last 18 months 2 years.
See that is the mistake right there, the rights stats should be how much pvp kills and their values we have relative to other parts of EVE and are they decreasing or increasing (even in relative terms), and how many fights end up in having 1.5b + (or some other number) in losses in wh space, a stat for serious fights.
Another stat should be the relative damage done by ship type and gun type in wormhole space in pvp, similar to the domi stat having 5 times the damage of the next ship in null sec. I will bet that they are more than 95% are dreads and t3 damage, with close range guns.
If the measure of success in wh is in PVE kills then I guess we don't see eye to eye, as I measure the viability of the space in PVP activity and not PVE. My issue mostly stems from wh space being converted slowly to a farming space for alts while the vast majority of PVP content (even relative to numbers of inhabitants) is happening in known space, hence my push for more conflict drivers. |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
166
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Posted - 2014.02.28 13:53:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:corbexx wrote:so on the people moving in to w space and stuff i have attually asked chista if he can find out the following.
how many sleepers have been killed each month for the last 18 months to 2 years.
and then a break down of how many sleepers killed per month by wh class for the last 18 months 2 years. See that is the mistake right there, the rights stats should be how much pvp kills and their values we have relative to other parts of EVE and are they decreasing or increasing (even in relative terms), and how many fights end up in having 1.5b + (or some other number) in losses in wh space, a stat for serious fights. Another stat should be the relative damage done by ship type and gun type in wormhole space in pvp, similar to the domi stat having 5 times the damage of the next ship in null sec. I will bet that they are more than 95% are dreads and t3 damage, with close range guns. If the measure of success in wh is in PVE kills then I guess we don't see eye to eye, as I measure the viability of the space in PVP activity and not PVE. My issue mostly stems from wh space being converted slowly to a farming space for alts while the vast majority of PVP content (even relative to numbers of inhabitants) is happening in known space, hence my push for more conflict drivers.
pve will give youa idea of how many targets are avaible.
yeah pvp kills will also be useful but remember alot of wh space people get kills in null sec. pve will maybe not show just how many people live in whspace but should give a indicationon if more are coming in or leaving. yes might well be it just shows there are more carebears.
but you should also go and ask for them numbers i've already asked if chista can sort it out. do the same. |
mechform
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
5
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Posted - 2014.02.28 13:56:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:
It doesn't matter what you think or I think, the numbers show that wh are stagnant, losing members, same fights over and over with no evolution of any sort of meta, if you think that is ok all the power to you, I on the other hand is of the opinion that wh space can be so much better. F*** me for wanting better right?
And sorry for highjacking the thread xD, I am an assh*** I know.
You are changing your point mid-argument. You are not claiming that pvp in wh is dying, you claimed that wh are loosing memebers etc, and they are not evolving.
So you just reinforced that you are a troll alt.
Black Power - Brotha's in space unite! |
Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
297
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:15:00 -
[79] - Quote
Joan Greywind wrote:the numbers show that wh are losing members please link the numbers
W-Space Realtor |
Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
340
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:09:00 -
[80] - Quote
mechform wrote:Joan Greywind wrote:
It doesn't matter what you think or I think, the numbers show that wh are stagnant, losing members, same fights over and over with no evolution of any sort of meta, if you think that is ok all the power to you, I on the other hand is of the opinion that wh space can be so much better. F*** me for wanting better right?
And sorry for highjacking the thread xD, I am an assh*** I know.
You are changing your point mid-argument. You are not claiming that pvp in wh is dying, you claimed that wh are losing members etc, and they are not evolving. So you just reinforced that you are a troll alt. If you are going to post with a troll alt, you obviously have no commitment/respect for yourself in this game or the wh community, no matter how many 'constructive conflict driving' posts you seem to have an 'opinion' on. I agree with conflict drivers being important, we have had great conflict drivers. Just look at last year and a few weeks ago. It just seems to me, every time you personally try and 'conflict drive' it is somewhat successful, but only towards generating conflict towards you.
My positions has always been that there is no higher level content in wormhole space, and not enough in game mechanics to drive pvp inside wh space. I never changed my argument. I should have emphasized the point more (made it clearer), the members I am talking about is higher level wh count, and people that actually create relevant PVP content.
My general dissatisfaction is two pronged:
1- The stagnant meta and similar fleet comps and setups throughout all relevant wh groups, just look at the killmails, even the ones linked in this post, they are all the same ships with the same fits.
2- The lack of conflict drivers and the lack of general strategic initiative in the PVP meta. Most relevant wh alliance are already having their bulk of PVP in known space, and if you look at most killboards, you will see a lack of pvp fights in wh space. I mean if everytime we have a 20 man fight we post about it, then we aren't having them a lot are we? |
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mechform
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
5
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:27:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:
I mean if everytime we have a 20 man fight we post about it, then we aren't having them a lot are we?
Lack of posting does not imply lack of in-game content.
You have been asked multiple times to provide the numbers that have lead you to your 'opinion', and still have yet to produce them. Your argument is based on your opinion. And as an posting alt, your opinion=Bag o'dicks.
Joan Greywind wrote: similar fleet comps and setups throughout all relevant wh groups, just look at the killmails, even the ones linked in this post, they are all the same ships with the same fits.
This is true for any fleet action, even in null sec. Look at the kbs of large fleet flights. They even have cute little nick names for their fleet setups and everything. Sure they are not restricted by wh's and they can escalate everything to 10% tidi, I guess we don't find that fun. Black Power - Brotha's in space unite! |
Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
298
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:28:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:numbers So when are you going to show us the numbers? You keep talking about them, but they are nowhere to be seen. Are they the UFO or Big Foot kind of numbers? W-Space Realtor |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
1131
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:53:00 -
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I think the one key point you are missing Joan is that wh space gives us access to all kinds of space. This allows us to have fun in high/low/null if we want. To limit ourselves to one small spot in Eve to pvp, when you have such access is foolish, at best.
Secondly, I have already explained why the meta is the way it is. T3s offer the best tank/dps/mass combination in game. It's quite simple to see why it hasn't changed. No other ships come close. I would like to see more options in the future, but for right now, that is your best option.
Lastly, post the numbers you saw. No trolling please |
Van Steiza
Whale Girth Grand Sky Wizards
44
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:23:00 -
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Aquila Sagitta wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote: Aq jumped his nag into their magnetar-homehole - though slightly underestimating the dps-output of 4 dreads in a mag.
I knew damn well what I was jumping into And def didn't expect to come out alive!
XD You and me both sir :D
We was tank testing shall we say? |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
528
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:02:00 -
[85] - Quote
Joan Greywind wrote:[...]
We need rule #23 . Treat wormholes like nullsec in that regard. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
619
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:52:00 -
[86] - Quote
Joan Greywind wrote:
My positions has always been that there is no higher level content in wormhole space, and not enough in game mechanics to drive pvp inside wh space. I never changed my argument. I should have emphasized the point more (made it clearer), the members I am talking about is higher level wh count, and people that actually create relevant PVP content.
My general dissatisfaction is two pronged:
1- The stagnant meta and similar fleet comps and setups throughout all relevant wh groups, just look at the killmails, even the ones linked in this post, they are all the same ships with the same fits.
2- The lack of conflict drivers and the lack of general strategic initiative in the PVP meta. Most relevant wh alliance are already having their bulk of PVP in known space, and if you look at most killboards, you will see a lack of pvp fights in wh space. I mean if everytime we have a 20 man fight we post about it, then we aren't having them a lot are we?
For all your griping some of the most fun fights I've been in are those 20v20 type limited capital + t3 sub-cap compliment fights regardless of winning or losing and I've watched the fits and meta evolve over the last couple of years even today people are trying new fits and ideas to try and counter i.e. jamming tengus or positioning/timing to buy time against neuting, etc. etc. |
Citrute
Whale Girth Grand Sky Wizards
123
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:46:00 -
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Being relatively new to wormhole space, I understand how it may seem stale, but for me, the meta of wh brawls is still fresh and exciting. While they may look the same on the surface, i've yet to be in a fight where it played out the same.
Bane Nucleus wrote:wh space gives us access to all kinds of space. This allows us to have fun in high/low/null if we want. To limit ourselves to one small spot in Eve to pvp, when you have such access is foolish, at best.
I'd just like to mention how nice it is to not have to do that 80 jump blue doughnut roam to find targets. I would encourage anyone that feels their area of k space is getting stale to give wh's a shot, The ability to be nowhere and anywhere at the same time will probably keep things fresh for me for quite some time.
v0v, maybe i'll get bitter soon, but for now I wouldn't want it any other way. |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1143
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:10:00 -
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Citrute wrote:Being relatively new to wormhole space, I understand how it may seem stale, but for me, the meta of wh brawls is still fresh and exciting. While they may look the same on the surface, i've yet to be in a fight where it played out the same. Bane Nucleus wrote:wh space gives us access to all kinds of space. This allows us to have fun in high/low/null if we want. To limit ourselves to one small spot in Eve to pvp, when you have such access is foolish, at best. I'd just like to mention how nice it is to not have to do that 80 jump blue doughnut roam to find targets. I would encourage anyone that feels their area of k space is getting stale to give wh's a shot, The ability to be nowhere and anywhere at the same time will probably keep things fresh for me for quite some time. v0v, maybe i'll get bitter soon, but for now I wouldn't want it any other way.
Don't get bitter, vote Proc4CSM, and he'll (I) will protect your virtue and innocence. Wormhole Minister of High Society Superior General | Order of Rob Minor @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Calmatt
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
79
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:29:00 -
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Citrute wrote:
I'd just like to mention how nice it is to not have to do that 80 jump blue doughnut roam to find targets. I would encourage anyone that feels their area of k space is getting stale to give wh's a shot, The ability to be nowhere and anywhere at the same time will probably keep things fresh for me for quite some time.
v0v, maybe i'll get bitter soon, but for now I wouldn't want it any other way.
Our nullsec roam last night was a testament to that, roam around CFC space killing ishtars + navy vexors etc, then on the way home gank a brotherhood of tangra carrier. 10/10 would wh again. |
Sandslinger
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
143
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Posted - 2014.03.01 20:59:00 -
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A wise man once said to me
If you're bored, you are boring
The meta of wormholes has changed plenty, some are running the same old fits and comps and some have adapted.
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Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
340
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Posted - 2014.03.02 03:12:00 -
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Sandslinger wrote:A wise man once said to me If you're bored, you are boring The meta of wormholes has changed plenty, some are running the same old fits and comps and some have adapted.
If you don't have enough toys to play with you will eventually get bored, no matter how imaginative you are. If a lot of the compentent people are looking for greener pastures, then maybe we have to start thinking there is a problem.
Could you link me some of those battle reports? I might be bad at looking for things like that, but I still can't find the "different comps or fits" you are talking about. And yea changing a a mid slot on a legion from a web to a damp should not count as "different comp", but even then we do much less of that than in any other parts of EVE. |
Shiftn Gend
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
0
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Posted - 2014.03.02 05:13:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:Sandslinger wrote:A wise man once said to me If you're bored, you are boring The meta of wormholes has changed plenty, some are running the same old fits and comps and some have adapted. If you don't have enough toys to play with you will eventually get bored, .
Say's the alt who only uses mining ships on the only kills i've checked to bait scrubs in low sec lolol.
I too am new to wh life, to eve really, only getting close to my first year, I want to say thanks for the vid guys, it was "educational" as I tell my corp m8s, but also enjoyable. I know for a fact you haven't stepped a foot into WH space JOAN, because of that stale comment. We have low #s at times in our corp, but I still have the option to bring what I want, when I want to, as long as it helps the team. Even the vets try to use the same argument you do but when shown an alternate pirate ship, say the ash to the neut legion, it is actually looked into. Looking more into your KB i see that you use alot of Nuli to help you do your dirty work, so that explains your dire complaints and your consistency to use an alt to ***** on the forums. We know who you are, and you forgot, the best part for me, THE INTEL!!!
maybe you should head back to a wh ( i still doubt you've been) for a couple of months, show us the "numbers" you keep talking about and maybe this community will take you seriously, until then thanks for the luls and a reason for me to rant drunkenly on the forums.
the worst thing that ever happened to EVE for newbies is null, maybe rant about that first, or maybe just maybe, try to be positive, wait what the hell am i talking about.
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corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
167
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Posted - 2014.03.02 10:02:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:Sandslinger wrote:A wise man once said to me If you're bored, you are boring The meta of wormholes has changed plenty, some are running the same old fits and comps and some have adapted. If you don't have enough toys to play with you will eventually get bored, no matter how imaginative you are. If a lot of the compentent people are looking for greener pastures, then maybe we have to start thinking there is a problem. Could you link me some of those battle reports? I might be bad at looking for things like that, but I still can't find the "different comps or fits" you are talking about. And yea changing a a mid slot on a legion from a web to a damp should not count as "different comp", but even then we do much less of that than in any other parts of EVE.
Tbh changing 1 or 2 mods can make a huge difference to fleet comp look at the "wrecking ball" that was just a slow cat fleet with all reps moved to super carriers and range mods added to archons high slot
I wouldnt say wh fleet comps have changed hugely fast but there has been a fair bit of change.
going back to the rnk, aharm era a standard fleet was archon bhaals and prots with maybe a few lokis for webs. When the moros had its bonuses changed and t2 seige was put in at same time, blap dreads entered the field fleet comps switched to dread neut legions web lokis and prots supported by guardains. Ecmgu's started appearing to counter the webs
Damps are now used alot more.
It used to be if you had a legion it would be lasers and thats it, now nuet legions are a commen sight and several groups are using ham legions as a staple in fleet comps
with the change to hybrids alot of groups have swapped to rail prots (again not a huge change)
You will often see cap guards which you didnt before
Certain groups have there own fleet for some stuff. TLC's pantheon fleet being one that takes huge advantage of cata effect.
couple groups are using gila's alot, rumour has it banes pod refused to go in any other ship than a gila.
Yeah some groups are still using the old fits from aharm, rnk era I'd say most have moved on and adapted ewar is far more prevelent than it used to be. I've lost track of the amount of times our lokis have had there fits changed or altered since being in noho.
We've had some great fights in the last month alot of the time its from going bhaals deep in to big groups home system.
but had great fights with SSC, UNKNOWN, Disavowed, TLC and Skylian verge. Teamed up with Awakened to spank goons in nullsec. Had nutmeg screaming in our pub channel that he has a couple moros pointed in our static and none of his guys on, I attually felt pretty bad for him as he got closed out along with me and a couple others so missed out on the moros kill. had a fun bc fight with tdsin at the sun, which i think might also have involved a bet for drinks at the next boston meet up.
TLDR fits have changed maybe not alot but it sure as hell isnt the same as it was a couple years ago. Great fights are there to be had if your willing to just go for it. and the great thing about the wh comunity is we can happily fight each other but will often team up with each other to do other stuff. |
Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
340
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Posted - 2014.03.02 21:14:00 -
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Shiftn Gend wrote:Joan Greywind wrote:[quote=Sandslinger]A wise man once said to me If you're bored, you are boring The meta of wormholes has changed plenty, some are running the same old fits and comps and some have adapted. stuff
yea ok
Back to you sand,
Damps, neut legions, blap dreads (the bane of wh space), and hams were a thing more than a year ago, it barely changed, and they are used in the exact same way. Wrecking ball didn't only change highslots, it changed how whole ships are supposed to be used, it is a whole formation consisting of interchangeable support that evolved and morphed throughout its career.
My gripe is, wh space is supposed to be where elite players go. It is the place where the most creative small gang warfare should happen, but we aren't. Little changes happen, but only very slowly and it always seems that we have less depth and width in the meta than any other part of space, which in my opinion is unacceptable. And I know it isn't because the players can't create more diverse content, because the mechanics of wh space, by its nature, attract higher tiered players, they are only limited by game design. Just like new sov mechanics (No I DONT WANT ANY TYPE OF SOV IN WH SPACE, it is just an analogy), moon changes, and t1 ship rebalances reinvigorated the meta in known space, we at least need some of that treatment to reinvigorate wh space. Unless we at least come together and push CCP for these changes, the chances of them happening is very low.
I really want to PvP in wh space, but at the current time, due to the two issues I posted earlier, I just do not find it as a viable pvping space, just my humble opinion.
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Cosmic Scanner
Temnava Legion No Holes Barred
58
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Posted - 2014.03.02 21:25:00 -
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Joan Greywind / Alt - Spent a total of 2 months in Temnava in C6 space and now considers himself subject expert in in all areas of w-space, including but not limited to all Wormhole Fleet Doctrines, including T3's which are not customizable at all and are exactly the same for every wormhole pilot / corp / alliance, and have been since their introduction.
Cosmic Scanner / muu lufragga |
Citrute
Whale Girth Grand Sky Wizards
126
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Posted - 2014.03.02 21:34:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote: I really want to PvP in wh space, but at the current time, due to the two issues I posted earlier, I just do not find it as a viable pvping space, just my humble opinion.
My humble opinion feels that your your humble opinion is wrong v0v
Pick up some probes and try something different, there is a diverse set of tools waiting to be used. There is no reason everything has to look like a nail when you're a hammer. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
4061
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Posted - 2014.03.03 17:11:00 -
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Some solid smacktalk was removed plus a large amount of off-topic posts. Please stay on topic and do not link killmails, thank you.
You are welcome to discuss general wormhole mechanics in a different thread or, if you have ideas how to improve wormhole based gameplay, to post those ideas on the Features & Ideas forum. Thank you! CCP Phantom - Senior Community Representative - Volunteer Manager |
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mechform
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
7
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Posted - 2014.03.03 17:26:00 -
[98] - Quote
Joan Greywind wrote:
less depth and width in the meta than any other part of space, which in my opinion is unacceptable
I too would be of this opinion if I spent only 2 weeks in a wormhole. Black Power - Brotha's in space unite! |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
1147
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Posted - 2014.03.03 17:47:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote: Can you post a link to the numbers that show wormholes are stagnant? I am genuinely curious to see those statistics.
Joan Greywind, please read this again No trolling please |
AssassinationsdoneWrong
The Nexus 7's
85
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Posted - 2014.03.04 08:54:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Some solid smacktalk was removed plus a large amount of off-topic posts. Please stay on topic and do not link killmails, thank you. You are welcome to discuss general wormhole mechanics in a different thread or, if you have ideas how to improve wormhole based gameplay, to post those ideas on the Features & Ideas forum. Thank you!
Can you move Joan Greywind's posts and chars to hisec please as he (and his main/s) is the only one who seem not to want to be here.
Thx in advance.
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Winthorp
Sky Fighters
1120
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Posted - 2014.03.04 09:56:00 -
[101] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:Some solid smacktalk was removed plus a large amount of off-topic posts. Please stay on topic and do not link killmails, thank you. You are welcome to discuss general wormhole mechanics in a different thread or, if you have ideas how to improve wormhole based gameplay, to post those ideas on the Features & Ideas forum. Thank you!
I think you need to stay a little while longer in WH subsection to realise off topic is how we get **** done. (Insert witty signature here) |
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
182
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:51:00 -
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Lakshata Chawla wrote:Links to killmails removed accoding to forum rule 34, CCP Phantom.
Rule 34?
The reason we're not allowed to link killmails...is because people will make **** out of it?
Edit: ffs, "****" is censored? What a bunch of vaginal discharge. "EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler |
mechform
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
9
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Posted - 2014.03.05 18:37:00 -
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I made the mistake of searching for rule34 on google and lol'd Black Power - Brotha's in space unite! |
Senfora Anophis
An Errant Venture
4
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Posted - 2014.03.09 03:08:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:Proclus Diadochu wrote:Joan Greywind wrote: Proc4CSM Stuff. 6- So bane is proposing a t3 balance of some sort, and how is that different from what I am asking? It is exactly the same point, why is he right and I am wrong? And if you haven't noticed ships including the very metas you mentioned supers, titans, and sentries required CCP to intervene multiple times and balance them, that is the only way they can got them fixed. When any strat is not balanced you can't blame the players for using them, that is exactly why CCP has to come in and balance an overused (hence overpowered) class of ships.
overused does not necessarily = overpowered.
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Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
324
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Posted - 2014.03.11 13:31:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:My gripe is, wh space is supposed to be where elite players go. It is the place where the most creative small gang warfare should happen, but we aren't Found your problem! About the only thing you got right was the "small gang" stuff. We have the same bunch of loveable clueless idiots that everywhere else has, we just have them in smaller groups.
A lot of fleet composition options are limited by the peculiarities of W-space, and by the fact that usually you will be fighting on a hole at close range, ie: brawling. Some of the "more fun" compositions, like Nano fleets, BLOP fleets, or whatever you may find to be "fun", just won't work well. This changes the possible meta options.
Stealth is the name of the game, because the lack of instant Local intelligence data often forces us to be more aware of our surroundings than we might need to be otherwise. If you see ships or probes on dscan when no one else is supposed to be there, it's easy to identify the unidentified as hostile and make the decision to fight or flee. That also changes the meta.
Wormholes are not the esoteric, experimental, uncharted reaches of EVE anymore. They're mainstream now, and the mechanics are fully understood. We know our options, and we know our limitations. We have optimized our list of possibilities, and while constantly testing new things, we tend to come back to what works the best.
Joan Greywind wrote:I really want to PvP in wh space, but at the current time, due to the two issues I posted earlier, I just do not find it as a viable pvping space, just my humble opinion. Not a big issue, W-space isn't for everyone. Good luck to you, wherever you decide to go. |
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