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Stamm	Posted - 2006.04.18 02:55:00 - [1] Shortly be training up for these guys. But I've been looking at how they compare to the other races and from what I can see they got the shaft. Maybe I'm not looking at things right... But because they're laser boats they get the standard Amarr laser cap use 'bonus' instead of damage bonuses. Am I looking at things wrong, or are any of the Amarr T2 frigates as good as the other races?
Krulla	Posted - 2006.04.18 03:19:00 - [2] Sigh.. this has been said dozens of times over.. Lasers have a built in damage bonus. Thus, in reality,Amarrians ships do as much if not more damage than other races. And yes, the amarrian t2 frigs are perfectly fine. The Retribution is a nasty damage dealer in a frig gang, the crusader is a great damage dealer, the male is a good tackler. Respect the Domi. Or else. SIG HIJACK!!11 RAWRR!!1- IMMY
Stamm	Posted - 2006.04.18 03:22:00 - [3] Sigh. I only asked. No search function here. But anyway, thanks for answering the question - I'm perhaps looking at things wrong.
Hub Quantum	Posted - 2006.04.18 03:24:00 - [4] Originally by: Stamm Sigh. I only asked. No search function here. But anyway, thanks for answering the question - I'm perhaps looking at things wrong. Linkage
Wicaeed	Posted - 2006.04.18 03:52:00 - [5] fans flames And the Vengeance? (oh I just gotta hear this one) IMNSHO Amarr need at least one t2 frigate that is good on it's own, weather or not that is the Crusader is for debate, but as it is, both of the Amarr AF's are only useable if you are in a group. In groups, each one is awsome at what it does, damage and tackling (well maybe not so awsome at tackling in the Vengeance's case). Im sorry CCP, but adding a 5% dmg bonus for lasers on the Vengeance is NOT fixing anything!
Litus Arowar	Posted - 2006.04.18 03:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Hub Quantum Originally by: Stamm Sigh. I only asked. No search function here. But anyway, thanks for answering the question - I'm perhaps looking at things wrong. Linkage your new best friend (it's my best friend, I rarely ask questions, usually just answer them) crusader is a pwn mobile, retribution is an awesome damage dealer but requires a tackler wingman, which a malediction fits very well... the vengeance is doody, but people still find ways to use is... wether the amarr got the shaft is questionable, the harpy and crow are both good at solo pvp, and with the changes to AFs (sticky on main page) the hawk will be too... for gallente the taranis is great, as are the ishkur and the enyo... for minmatar the claw is a great inty, the stilletto arguably the best tackler, and the wolf (and jag) are both good assault frigs... so basically, the amarr ones are perhaps more specialized in their role, and less useful solo, but they're overall as good as the other races (the roles are slightly more focused, that's it)
Foomanshoe	Posted - 2006.04.18 03:57:00 - [7] cant say im a fan of amarr assault frigs. Amarr interceptors arent bad though. _______________________________________________ Deadspace For Dead space! Originally by: Oveur To the nerfmobile!
Keta Min	Posted - 2006.04.18 04:11:00 - [8] Originally by: Stamm No search function here. except the one in the upper right corner..
Litus Arowar	Posted - 2006.04.18 04:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: Stamm No search function here. except the one in the upper right corner.. OMFG, has that always been there?
Stamm	Posted - 2006.04.18 04:21:00 - [10] Well that must be new. Thanks for the information people, helpful. I'm a wee bit happier about T2 frigs for Amarr now. I'll try em and see how they go.
Keta Min	Posted - 2006.04.18 04:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Litus Arowar Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: Stamm No search function here. except the one in the upper right corner.. OMFG, has that always been there? No.
madaluap	Posted - 2006.04.18 07:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: Litus Arowar Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: Stamm No search function here. except the one in the upper right corner.. OMFG, has that always been there? No. wow there is 1 _________________________________________________ no sig :(
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.04.18 08:28:00 - [13] As been said crusader is a pwn mobile. Large cap, highest amount of armor hp and a lot of structure (named dmg control 4tw). The damage is rather nice, actually, w/ the gatling pulses t2 and conflag. But i still prefer the ranis Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Sku1ly	Posted - 2006.04.18 10:04:00 - [14] Ack it's Stamm! I love the Retribution, not very good along but in a gang it puts out alot of damage. Probably why I own 12 at the moment :x. I like the Vengeance also, it's not as damaging as other AF's but it's still able to tank very well, but it can also tackle - invaluble for solo PVP! STK-S Website
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.04.18 11:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Sku1ly Ack it's Stamm! I love the Retribution, not very good along but in a gang it puts out alot of damage. Probably why I own 12 at the moment :x. I like the Vengeance also, it's not as damaging as other AF's but it's still able to tank very well, but it can also tackle - invaluble for solo PVP! People underestimate the vengeance. I know a pilot who is yet to lose his veng in a 1v1 cruiser/af fight. But he admits that the ishkur can be a pain in the ars Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Exogene	Posted - 2006.04.18 11:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Krulla Sigh.. this has been said dozens of times over.. Lasers have a built in damage bonus. Thus, in reality,Amarrians ships do as much if not more damage than other races. And yes, the amarrian t2 frigs are perfectly fine. The Retribution is a nasty damage dealer in a frig gang, the crusader is a great damage dealer, the male is a good tackler. Hmm would you care to elaborate on this "built in damage bonus" or are you just ****ing about?
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.04.18 11:19:00 - [17] Edited by: Epsilon 1 on 18/04/2006 11:22:05 Originally by: Exogene Originally by: Krulla Sigh.. this has been said dozens of times over.. Lasers have a built in damage bonus. Thus, in reality,Amarrians ships do as much if not more damage than other races. And yes, the amarrian t2 frigs are perfectly fine. The Retribution is a nasty damage dealer in a frig gang, the crusader is a great damage dealer, the male is a good tackler. Hmm would you care to elaborate on this "built in damage bonus" or are you just **ing about? edit: medium beam laser t2 -- http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/shipequipment/turretsbays/laserturrets/beamlasers/small/3033.asp 3,6x dmg mod, 4sec rof. 150mm hybrid rail t2 -- http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/shipequipment/turretsbays/hybridturrets/railguns/small/3074.asp 3,3x dmg mod, 4,25sec rof. Originally by:** Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Spokesperson	Posted - 2006.04.18 12:19:00 - [18] Does that really matter when small artillary can get hits for more than 2-300? While small lasers hit for what.... 70-90?
Krulla	Posted - 2006.04.18 12:22:00 - [19] Originally by: Spokesperson Does that really matter when small artillary can get hits for more than 2-300? While small lasers hit for what.... 70-90? Oh, let's turn your statement around! Does that really matter when small lasers have about a third higher DPS than small arty? Respect the Domi. Or else. SIG HIJACK!!11 RAWRR!!1- IMMY
Astrum Proeliator	Posted - 2006.04.18 12:53:00 - [20] Originally by: Krulla Originally by: Spokesperson Does that really matter when small artillary can get hits for more than 2-300? While small lasers hit for what.... 70-90? Oh, let's turn your statement around! Does that really matter when small lasers have about a third higher DPS than small arty? Handbags ladies... handbags!! I think there are far more variables to take into account with AF vs AF fights than just raw DPS. It's not like you are sitting at 200km slugging it out...
Pichemanu	Posted - 2006.04.18 14:04:00 - [21] Originally by: Astrum Proeliator Originally by: Krulla Originally by: Spokesperson Does that really matter when small artillary can get hits for more than 2-300? While small lasers hit for what.... 70-90? Oh, let's turn your statement around! Does that really matter when small lasers have about a third higher DPS than small arty? Handbags ladies... handbags!! I think there are far more variables to take into account with AF vs AF fights than just raw DPS. It's not like you are sitting at 200km slugging it out... But wouldn't that be fun :P
Liet Traep	Posted - 2006.04.18 18:49:00 - [22] Originally by: madaluap Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: Litus Arowar Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: Stamm No search function here. except the one in the upper right corner.. OMFG, has that always been there? No. wow there is 1 When did that get put there?
SlackerOGF	Posted - 2006.04.18 19:11:00 - [23] Edited by: SlackerOGF on 18/04/2006 19:11:31 Here is a pretty good summary of the Amarr T2 Frigates. Amarr Assault Frigate Guide
Spokesperson	Posted - 2006.04.18 19:20:00 - [24] Originally by: SlackerOGF Edited by: SlackerOGF on 18/04/2006 19:11:31 Here is a pretty good summary of the Amarr T2 Frigates. Amarr Assault Frigate Guide Quote: "Retribution is not a PvP ship, but only good for ratting Sounds right. Now CCP , please unnerf Amarr.
Xeios	Posted - 2006.04.18 20:33:00 - [25] Nice selective reading there pal.
d'hofren	Posted - 2006.04.18 23:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Spokesperson Does that really matter when small artillary can get hits for more than 2-300? While small lasers hit for what.... 70-90? Please consider the effect of tracking, the effect of reload and the effect of a limited clip size. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Galactic Exploration and Mining - Web and T II Shop (Including Cerbs)
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.04.18 23:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Epsilon 1 As been said crusader is a pwn mobile. Large cap, highest amount of armor hp and a lot of structure (named dmg control 4tw). The damage is rather nice, actually, w/ the gatling pulses t2 and conflag. But i still prefer the ranis Crusader's very nice. Until you're fighting a Claw. Then you might as well go home. "The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer

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