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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.02.27 00:08:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:How would EVE change if CCP fixed the bumping mechanic? For the better. I say this because they would also have to fix the sloppy controls so that everyone in Jita wouldn't be blowing themselves up at the undock. Imagine being able to control your ship,instead of just pointing it at something and stopping by running in to it. I'd go as far as to suggest a WASD control system but if CCP did that half the player base, with their irrational fear of those letters, would quit without even trying it. Point and pray is really not a good system for a game to have in 2014. It needs some serious reworking. The bonus being that CCP could implement a proper collision mechanic while they're at it. Mr Epeen 
But..but..but the people who refuse to play on decent equipment or upgrade their connections from carrier pigeon to something slightly more modern will be at a huge disadvantage! The only real players of Eve Online will be the ones who go and buy a flat across the street from the servers! Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
263
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Posted - 2014.02.27 00:08:00 -
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The same can be said about the fact that planets don't orbit around their parent star, and moons around their parent planets, which admittedly be awesome to change for mere realism sake. But, to make that happen, the entire bookmark system would need to be completely replaced, and positioning of things like stations and gates would need to be looked over. At the least, it would be a horribly complex and massive job just to implement a proper celestial orbital mechanic. Too much work would have to be done for such a simple addition into the game, let alone to ensure it and the rest of the game is not thrown completely out of balance. |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
456
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Posted - 2014.02.27 00:14:00 -
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Marit Mankalas wrote:Maybe, there would be something like "the shield of both ships reduce the speed of the colision and there is no domage in normal conditions".
So there will be real damage only if one of the ship is at full speed... or if the shield of one of them is down.
I would find this cool, if it would be "not too often".
P.S.: Please excuse my English, I'm not a native speaker.
If 1 ship had shields down and other had shields remaining. I'd still see the other ship with no shields just bouncing away. Unless of course you have 2 ships that have had their shields depleted then you would start to see damage to ships. |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
456
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Posted - 2014.02.27 00:15:00 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:The same can be said about the fact that planets don't orbit around their parent star, and moons around their parent planets, which admittedly be awesome to change for mere realism sake. But, to make that happen, the entire bookmark system would need to be completely replaced, and positioning of things like stations and gates would need to be looked over. At the least, it would be a horribly complex and massive job just to implement a proper celestial orbital mechanic. Too much work would have to be done for such a simple addition into the game, let alone to ensure it and the rest of the game is not thrown completely out of balance.
Actually there is a video on youtube that shows either the pos orbits its moon or the moon orbiting the planet. |

Mourn LeBlade
Jupiter Roughriders
121
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Posted - 2014.02.27 01:27:00 -
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This is a great idea. We used to do this all the time in Mechwarrior....when all was lost, collide with a target and then destroy the reactor!! It would actually add a lot to small gang tactics where there would be an additional advantage to using ranged weapons. LTCOL LeBlade 177 Division Live Free or Die |

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
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Posted - 2014.02.27 01:31:00 -
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Mourn LeBlade wrote:First of all, this is a great idea. We used to do this all the time in Mechwarrior....when all was lost, collide with a target and then destroy the reactor!! It would actually add a lot to small gang tactics where there would be an additional advantage to using ranged weapons.
Is there a second of all or is it just first of all. You probably could have left that "First of all" out. I mean unless you had a second of all. I suppose you could have said, "All in all" but that is just unnecessary words.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
51
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Posted - 2014.02.27 02:01:00 -
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it would incite a new type of ganking where bumping battleships would bump probably around battle cruisers and under solo, and mass bump anything larger with even less reprisal as is now.
Confirmed: Only wars in eve is blob and gank tactics. "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4899
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Posted - 2014.02.27 02:04:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Mourn LeBlade wrote:First of all, this is a great idea. We used to do this all the time in Mechwarrior....when all was lost, collide with a target and then destroy the reactor!! It would actually add a lot to small gang tactics where there would be an additional advantage to using ranged weapons. Is there a second of all or is it just first of all. You probably could have left that "First of all" out. I mean unless you had a second of all. I suppose you could have said, "All in all" but that is just unnecessary words.
Quote: Edited by: Mourn LeBlade
LOL
SECOND OF ALL,EVE space ships arne't 70 ton manually piloted Battlemects that need to undock. I've spent the last 27 year sof my life being a Battletech fan, don't crap up the ideas of that universe with asshattery. |

SpoonRECKLESS
LOGI R Us
174
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Posted - 2014.02.27 03:53:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ships would explode without a shot being fired, especially on the Jita 4-4 undock.
That would be beautiful. Blue
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Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
194
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Posted - 2014.02.27 10:11:00 -
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James Nikolas Tesla wrote:An image comes to mind of a Titan steamrolling through an entire fleet. Considering a titan's speed, I would say more like "gently pushing aside"
I think the main reason, though, for this being unfeasible is the sheer amount of extra calculations and server load it would bring.
Imagine HED-GP, but with every single collision being processed in addition to all else. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |

Archibald Thistlewaite III
448
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Posted - 2014.02.27 10:18:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:How would it be if we piloted unicorns around a meadow.. and other useless "what if" questions next time on GD.
Sounds like a fun game |

Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
195
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Posted - 2014.02.27 12:46:00 -
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Heh, it would make fully-plated, MWD Battleships hilarious to just plow into anything smaller (cool, a way to gank mining ships without getting concorded).
Warp a fleet of 50 freighters onto the 4-4 undock, and watch everything be destroyed for km around.
Warp a Titan into the centre of a subcap fleet - instant AOE DD back in the game.
Seige your dreadnaughts as an enemy fleet warps on top of them, and watch the fleet splatter like bugs on a windshield.
Better make sure you're in-cyno doesn't get killed, cos the "drop at 0 on the sun effect" will mean instantly crushed ship, no-matter what you are flying.
And the the hilarity of seeing a cap fleet cyno in, and immediatly all blow up. |

Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
0
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:47:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Vanity Tian wrote:Not sure where the negativity is coming from. I just posed a valid question that I would hope would provoke some alternative thoughts on game play.
Thank you to all that at least attempted to stay on topic and not just dismiss the original question. As said above the "rubber ducks in a bath tub" physics of EVE has been discussed ad infinitum before. However for a more serious answer, consider the unexpected consequences of your proposal, in particular what would happen if: - you are mining and accidently bump an asteroid - select approach on any object with MWD engaged - anything large (orca freighter etc) plows through all the small ships on dock at Jita - you are trying to navigate through any of the "scenery" (large abandoned stations etc) Plus ... to be even slightly realistic you will need a much more sophisticated damage model for ships, more akin to that used in combat flight sims, and what part of a ship you bump would suddenly matter. The scenery would also require a damage model. This stuff is more a thing for Valkerie. It is far simpler to simply say "Ships in EVE have a funky force field that makes them bounce off things".
YES! Thank you for this response! This is exactly what I was asking. Yes...the game would completely be a different game....probably one that would not be possible in today's environment. This is exactly the type of thought I wanted to discuss. Thank you again for 1. Being on topic. 2. Taking the time to list some examples.
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Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
0
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:50:00 -
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James Nikolas Tesla wrote:An image comes to mind of a Titan steamrolling through an entire fleet.
Awesome thought.  |

Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
0
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:01:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Vanity Tian wrote:You do realize don't you that when a question has been asked '...again and again, over and over, ad nauseum." That usually means that there is an issue that should be addressed and and YOU are probably a minority in your unhelpful response? It's been addressed - by CCP. You would know that if you used Search instead of New Topic. Vanity Tian wrote:It is no wonder why these forums get the reputation that they do. I couldn't agree more! People starting new threads about the same crap every other day is aggravating. Welcome to the Eve-O forums. Enjoy the rest of you day.
You are banned from replying in this thread. 
Enjoy the rest of YOU day. * Your |

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:03:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:Vanity Tian wrote:You do realize don't you that when a question has been asked '...again and again, over and over, ad nauseum." That usually means that there is an issue that should be addressed and and YOU are probably a minority in your unhelpful response? It's been addressed - by CCP. You would know that if you used Search instead of New Topic. Vanity Tian wrote:It is no wonder why these forums get the reputation that they do. I couldn't agree more! People starting new threads about the same crap every other day is aggravating. Welcome to the Eve-O forums. Enjoy the rest of you day. You are banned from replying in this thread.  Enjoy the rest of YOU day. * Your
I'm not banned from anything.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
"Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game! |

Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
0
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:06:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Marit Mankalas wrote:Maybe, there would be something like "the shield of both ships reduce the speed of the colision and there is no domage in normal conditions".
So there will be real damage only if one of the ship is at full speed... or if the shield of one of them is down.
I would find this cool, if it would be "not too often".
P.S.: Please excuse my English, I'm not a native speaker. If 1 ship had shields down and other had shields remaining. I'd still see the other ship with no shields just bouncing away. Unless of course you have 2 ships that have had their shields depleted then you would start to see damage to ships.
Yes...I didn't think about this change. This could completely change the dynamic of shield vs armor tanking for the purposes of PVP. I would think the shields of one would produce some level of damage to an unshielded ship. I can imagine an FC giving the order - "Ramming speed!" hehe |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19677
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:09:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote:Yes...I didn't think about this change. This could completely change the dynamic of shield vs armor tanking for the purposes of PVP. I would think the shields of one would produce some level of damage to an unshielded ship. I can imagine an FC giving the order - "Ramming speed!" hehe Yes. Such a change in dynamic is called GÇ£massive imbalanceGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
0
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:13:00 -
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Victor Andall wrote:James Nikolas Tesla wrote:An image comes to mind of a Titan steamrolling through an entire fleet. Considering a titan's speed, I would say more like "gently pushing aside" I think the main reason, though, for this being unfeasible is the sheer amount of extra calculations and server load it would bring. Imagine HED-GP, but with every single collision being processed in addition to all else.
Yes...from a computational standpoint, this would be unfeasible.
But in your example.....I would assume that certain fleet doctrines would be developed to 'spread' the ships in a way. Maybe more akin to what they do in the Honor Harrington books of a 'Battle Wall' I believe Weber calls it.
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Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
0
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:14:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Vanity Tian wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:Vanity Tian wrote:You do realize don't you that when a question has been asked '...again and again, over and over, ad nauseum." That usually means that there is an issue that should be addressed and and YOU are probably a minority in your unhelpful response? It's been addressed - by CCP. You would know that if you used Search instead of New Topic. Vanity Tian wrote:It is no wonder why these forums get the reputation that they do. I couldn't agree more! People starting new threads about the same crap every other day is aggravating. Welcome to the Eve-O forums. Enjoy the rest of you day. You are banned from replying in this thread.  Enjoy the rest of YOU day. * Your I'm not banned from anything. Enjoy the rest of your day.
Yes...you are. From this thread. I don't want to see you post off topic again.
Btw...thanks for the bump.
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Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
0
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Vanity Tian wrote:Yes...I didn't think about this change. This could completely change the dynamic of shield vs armor tanking for the purposes of PVP. I would think the shields of one would produce some level of damage to an unshielded ship. I can imagine an FC giving the order - "Ramming speed!" hehe Yes. Such a change in dynamic is called GÇ£massive imbalanceGÇ¥.
Yes...Most probably. Most all PVP happens out of armor tanks. From what I understand. And I'm not arguing against that at all. It's a true testament to a game that gives the tools where the players end up with a 'culture' of sorts because one type of fit generally performs better in PVP than another.
This sort of dynamic change would seem to really change the current armor tanking pvp fleets. Very interesting thought.
BTW Tippa - I want to thank you for the link that you provide in your profile. I have used that link to help learn more about EVE when I first started playing. I actually have saved a copy of it and refer to it occasionally. Thank you for providing that. |

Muestereate
Minions LLC
173
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:31:00 -
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Bumping is overpowered allready |

March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:35:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ships would explode without a shot being fired, especially on the Jita 4-4 undock. except that Jita 4-4 undock will be clean after 1 day after this change came to server
One more reason to split markets! The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
0
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:39:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Heh, it would make fully-plated, MWD Battleships hilarious to just plow into anything smaller (cool, a way to gank mining ships without getting concorded).
Warp a fleet of 50 freighters onto the 4-4 undock, and watch everything be destroyed for km around.
Warp a Titan into the centre of a subcap fleet - instant AOE DD back in the game.
Seige your dreadnaughts as an enemy fleet warps on top of them, and watch the fleet splatter like bugs on a windshield.
Better make sure you're in-cyno doesn't get killed, cos the "drop at 0 on the sun effect" will mean instantly crushed ship, no-matter what you are flying.
And the the hilarity of seeing a cap fleet cyno in, and immediatly all blow up.
Jeeze yes this would cause much havoc in fleet doctrines. And I didn't even think of the effects of the sun. One of the main questions I get when showing EVE to friends, is "Why doesn't the ships get blown up getting so close to the sun?" |

Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
199
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:40:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote: Btw...thanks for the bump.
Lucky your portraits only show both your faces, if you have your way that could have caused some structural damage (maybe even someone might have blown up)  |

Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
0
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:41:00 -
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Muestereate wrote:Bumping is overpowered allready
So lets add the rule that collisions cause reprisals from CONCORD. I fully understand that this would be unmanageable and completely exploitable, but this is a 'What If' thread. |

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1589
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:43:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote:You are banned from replying in this thread.  Enjoy the rest of YOU day. * Your
I'm not banned from anything.
Enjoy the rest of your day. [/quote]
Yes...you are. From this thread. I don't want to see you post off topic again.
Btw...thanks for the bump. [/quote]
I haven't posted off topic. And here I am again posting.
Incidentally, this idea is as dumb as the one about ships colliding with each other causing damage to each other.
Oh that's the same thing this is about... brilliant.
You're welcome for the bump to a very bad thread.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
"Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1589
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:44:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote:Muestereate wrote:Bumping is overpowered allready So lets add the rule that collisions cause reprisals from CONCORD. I fully understand that this would be unmanageable and completely exploitable, but this is a 'What If' thread.
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:How would it be if we piloted unicorns around a meadow.. and other useless "what if" questions next time on GD.
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Vanity Tian
Clandestine Management Group SiNTaX err0r
0
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:49:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Vanity Tian wrote:You are banned from replying in this thread.  Enjoy the rest of YOU day. * Your I'm not banned from anything. Enjoy the rest of your day.
Yes...you are. From this thread. I don't want to see you post off topic again.
Btw...thanks for the bump. [/quote]
I haven't posted off topic. And here I am again posting.
Incidentally, this idea is as dumb as the one about ships colliding with each other causing damage to each other.
Oh that's the same thing this is about... brilliant.
You're welcome for the bump to a very bad thread.
Enjoy the rest of your day. [/quote]
LMAO....your tears are so enjoyed! You did it again. Thank you!
Keep on bumping.
Oh...did you see the post about split markets? I bet you have something nonconstructive to say about that too. LOL
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1591
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:50:00 -
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Vanity Tian wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:Vanity Tian wrote:You are banned from replying in this thread.  Enjoy the rest of YOU day. * Your I'm not banned from anything. Enjoy the rest of your day. Yes...you are. From this thread. I don't want to see you post off topic again. Btw...thanks for the bump. I haven't posted off topic. And here I am again posting. Incidentally, this idea is as dumb as the one about ships colliding with each other causing damage to each other. Oh that's the same thing this is about... brilliant. You're welcome for the bump to a very bad thread. Enjoy the rest of your day.
LMAO....your tears are so enjoyed! You did it again. Thank you!
Keep on bumping.
Oh...did you see the post about split markets? I bet you have something nonconstructive to say about that too. LOL [/quote]
There is nothing constructive in this thread. "Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
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