How would EVE change if when a ship runs into another ship, damage would be given to both ships relative to their mass and speed? If I have miss-worded that question I am sorry. But I hope that you understand the spirit of the question.

I'm truly interested in what the community thinks on this. I hope you will really think deep on this and post your thoughts.

Thanks!

Posting in a stealth "nerf bumping" thread.

I promise that I am not.

I was more thinking about the large fleet battles where it just ends up being a mass of ships bouncing off one another. But yes, it would definitely change the dynamic of 'bumping'. On that note....I can see where there would be plenty of 'Bumpers' would not like it.

How would EVE change if when a ship runs into another ship, damage would be given to both ships relative to their mass and speed? If I have miss-worded that question I am sorry. But I hope that you understand the spirit of the question.

I'm truly interested in what the community thinks on this. I hope you will really think deep on this and post your thoughts.

Thanks!

Someone like me would park a huge ship on an undock, and everyone else would get blown up.

Oh, and someone like me would use it to "bump" miners and exhumers.

This idea has been proposed before. A lot. It was a stupid idea then, and it's a stupid idea now.

I see that 12945 threads on this same subject with the same ideas just were not enough, and we required 12946.



Search > New Topic.

Stupid idea? That a real world physics situation would be in effect? Bouncing multimillion / billion ton objects together without any damage is.....well stupid.....to use your own term.

Stupid idea? That a real world physics situation would be in effect? Bouncing multimillion / billion ton objects together without any damage is.....well stupid.....to use your own term.

How would it be if we piloted unicorns around a meadow.

It would be as if we played a horribly balanced Bethesda game with hilarious AI.

Not sure where the negativity is coming from.

I just posed a valid question that I would hope would provoke some alternative thoughts on game play.

Thank you to all that at least attempted to stay on topic and not just dismiss the original question.

P.S.: Please excuse my English, I'm not a native speaker.

Unicorns can only be piloted by virgins.


... just saying ...

I can tell you where it's coming from.



A question that has been asked again and again, over and over, ad nauseum.



You're very welcome. Enjoy the rest of your day.

You do realize don't you that when a question has been asked '...again and again, over and over, ad nauseum." That usually means that there is an issue that should be addressed and and YOU are probably a minority in your unhelpful response?

It is no wonder why these forums get the reputation that they do.

Not sure where the negativity is coming from. I just posed a valid question that I would hope would provoke some alternative thoughts on game play.

Thank you to all that at least attempted to stay on topic and not just dismiss the original question.

Not sure where the negativity is coming from. I just posed a valid question that I would hope would provoke some alternative thoughts on game play.

Thank you to all that at least attempted to stay on topic and not just dismiss the original question.

It's been addressed - by CCP. You would know that if you used Search instead of New Topic.



I couldn't agree more! People starting new threads about the same crap every other day is aggravating. Welcome to the Eve-O forums.

Enjoy the rest of you day.

You complete me.

As an aside, you will prolly see how bad an idea this is when and if that other game people are drooling over comes out. They will have collision damage... yea...

And it would take a complete reworking of all aspects of eve to even remotely make it work. So not gonna happen and its a horrible idea

How would EVE change if when a ship runs into another ship, damage would be given to both ships relative to their mass and speed? If I have miss-worded that question I am sorry. But I hope that you understand the spirit of the question.

I'm truly interested in what the community thinks on this. I hope you will really think deep on this and post your thoughts.

Thanks!

How would EVE change if CCP fixed the bumping mechanic? For the better.

I say this because they would also have to fix the sloppy controls so that everyone in Jita wouldn't be blowing themselves up at the undock. Imagine being able to control your ship,instead of just pointing it at something and stopping by running in to it.

I'd go as far as to suggest a WASD control system but if CCP did that half the player base, with their irrational fear of those letters, would quit without even trying it.

Point and pray is really not a good system for a game to have in 2014. It needs some serious reworking. The bonus being that CCP could implement a proper collision mechanic while they're at it.

Mr Epeen

Maybe, there would be something like "the shield of both ships reduce the speed of the colision and there is no domage in normal conditions".

So there will be real damage only if one of the ship is at full speed... or if the shield of one of them is down.

I would find this cool, if it would be "not too often".





P.S.: Please excuse my English, I'm not a native speaker.

The same can be said about the fact that planets don't orbit around their parent star, and moons around their parent planets, which admittedly be awesome to change for mere realism sake. But, to make that happen, the entire bookmark system would need to be completely replaced, and positioning of things like stations and gates would need to be looked over. At the least, it would be a horribly complex and massive job just to implement a proper celestial orbital mechanic. Too much work would have to be done for such a simple addition into the game, let alone to ensure it and the rest of the game is not thrown completely out of balance.

First of all, this is a great idea. We used to do this all the time in Mechwarrior....when all was lost, collide with a target and then destroy the reactor!! It would actually add a lot to small gang tactics where there would be an additional advantage to using ranged weapons.

Is there a second of all or is it just first of all. You probably could have left that "First of all" out. I mean unless you had a second of all. I suppose you could have said, "All in all" but that is just unnecessary words.

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Ships would explode without a shot being fired, especially on the Jita 4-4 undock.

An image comes to mind of a Titan steamrolling through an entire fleet.

How would it be if we piloted unicorns around a meadow.. and other useless "what if" questions next time on GD.

As said above the "rubber ducks in a bath tub" physics of EVE has been discussed ad infinitum before.

However for a more serious answer, consider the unexpected consequences of your proposal, in particular what would happen if:

- you are mining and accidently bump an asteroid
- select approach on any object with MWD engaged
- anything large (orca freighter etc) plows through all the small ships on dock at Jita
- you are trying to navigate through any of the "scenery" (large abandoned stations etc)

Plus ... to be even slightly realistic you will need a much more sophisticated damage model for ships, more akin to that used in combat flight sims, and what part of a ship you bump would suddenly matter. The scenery would also require a damage model. This stuff is more a thing for Valkerie.



It is far simpler to simply say "Ships in EVE have a funky force field that makes them bounce off things".

An image comes to mind of a Titan steamrolling through an entire fleet.

It's been addressed - by CCP. You would know that if you used Search instead of New Topic.



I couldn't agree more! People starting new threads about the same crap every other day is aggravating. Welcome to the Eve-O forums.

Enjoy the rest of you day.

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If 1 ship had shields down and other had shields remaining. I'd still see the other ship with no shields just bouncing away. Unless of course you have 2 ships that have had their shields depleted then you would start to see damage to ships.

Yes...I didn't think about this change. This could completely change the dynamic of shield vs armor tanking for the purposes of PVP. I would think the shields of one would produce some level of damage to an unshielded ship. I can imagine an FC giving the order - "Ramming speed!" hehe

Considering a titan's speed, I would say more like "gently pushing aside"

I think the main reason, though, for this being unfeasible is the sheer amount of extra calculations and server load it would bring.

Imagine HED-GP, but with every single collision being processed in addition to all else.

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Yes. Such a change in dynamic is called GÇ£massive imbalanceGÇ¥.

Ships would explode without a shot being fired, especially on the Jita 4-4 undock.

Heh, it would make fully-plated, MWD Battleships hilarious to just plow into anything smaller (cool, a way to gank mining ships without getting concorded).

Warp a fleet of 50 freighters onto the 4-4 undock, and watch everything be destroyed for km around.

Warp a Titan into the centre of a subcap fleet - instant AOE DD back in the game.

Seige your dreadnaughts as an enemy fleet warps on top of them, and watch the fleet splatter like bugs on a windshield.

Better make sure you're in-cyno doesn't get killed, cos the "drop at 0 on the sun effect" will mean instantly crushed ship, no-matter what you are flying.

And the the hilarity of seeing a cap fleet cyno in, and immediatly all blow up.

Btw...thanks for the bump.

Bumping is overpowered allready

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So lets add the rule that collisions cause reprisals from CONCORD. I fully understand that this would be unmanageable and completely exploitable, but this is a 'What If' thread.

How would it be if we piloted unicorns around a meadow.. and other useless "what if" questions next time on GD.

I'm not banned from anything.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

I haven't posted off topic. And here I am again posting.

Incidentally, this idea is as dumb as the one about ships colliding with each other causing damage to each other.

Oh that's the same thing this is about... brilliant.

You're welcome for the bump to a very bad thread.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

This is a great idea. We used to do this all the time in Mechwarrior....when all was lost, collide with a target and then destroy the reactor!! It would actually add a lot to small gang tactics where there would be an additional advantage to using ranged weapons.

except that Jita 4-4 undock will be clean after 1 day after this change came to server

One more reason to split markets!

except that Jita 4-4 undock will be clean after 1 day after this change came to server

One more reason to split markets!