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Kamikaaazi
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:08:00 -
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This ship has stupidly low grid and cpu. Theres no way you could fit standard II launchers on it. Boost grid and cpu or swap 1 med to low.
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:10:00 -
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Don't most people fit rockets? Or a combination?
sgb
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:11:00 -
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Mind unnerfing Heretic and Eris while you're at it, then?
Oh, and Std Launchers are super-long range weapons for frigate sized. Use Rocket Launchers to operate in similar distances as the other destroyers/interdictors
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Charles Tucker
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:12:00 -
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with 6 standard launchers it would be stupidly overpowered.
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Kamikaaazi
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:23:00 -
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i see...
CCP should get rid of the standard missiles then. Give me 1 ship that can fit those things proper. We got rockets for frigs and assault launchers for cruisers. No point having standard launchers. Just delete those and let me swap my sp-s.
Oh, and dont forget to change "5% bonus to Light Missile precision per level" to something useful. Maybe a rof bonus?
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Kamikaaazi
i see...
CCP should get rid of the standard missiles then. Give me 1 ship that can fit those things proper. We got rockets for frigs and assault launchers for cruisers. No point having standard launchers. Just delete those and let me swap my sp-s.
Oh, and dont forget to change "5% bonus to Light Missile precision per level" to something useful. Maybe a rof bonus?
So the crow isn't allowed to use them now? And i think you'll find the precision bonus to be nice against inties.
sgb
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 18/04/2006 12:55:41
wtf?
...well I can fit 6 T2 standarts and sphere launcher.
oh and fit 2 webs and 2 (named) sensor boosters while you at it.
...and a T2 AB
...however since I don't have no more grid nor cpu to fit I just slap a nanofib in lows.
usefull? hell dunno, but it can go to speeds up to 1km/s and do nice damage up to 47km or so, and it still has the sphere launcher.
oh and the precision bonus is nice btw.
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Kamikaaazi
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
wtf?
...well I can fit 6 T2 standarts and sphere launcher.
oh and fit 2 webs and 2 (named) sensor boosters while you at it.
...and a T2 AB
...however since I don't have no more grid nor cpu to fit I just slap a nanofib in lows.
usefull? hell dunno, but it can go to speeds up to 1km/s and do nice damage up to 47km or so, and it still has the sphere launcher.
1.2km/s isnt enought to get out of bubble in time.
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Kamikaaazi
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Kamikaaazi on 18/04/2006 12:58:39
Originally by: smallgreenblur
Originally by: Kamikaaazi
i see...
CCP should get rid of the standard missiles then. Give me 1 ship that can fit those things proper. We got rockets for frigs and assault launchers for cruisers. No point having standard launchers. Just delete those and let me swap my sp-s.
Oh, and dont forget to change "5% bonus to Light Missile precision per level" to something useful. Maybe a rof bonus?
So the crow isn't allowed to use them now? And i think you'll find the precision bonus to be nice against inties.
sgb
how is precision bonus good vs frigs when you dont have cpu/grid to fit them?
As i see flycatcher has only 3 bonuses atm. Swap it to something useful or add grid/cpu.
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kamikaaazi
Originally by: Grimpak
wtf?
...well I can fit 6 T2 standarts and sphere launcher.
oh and fit 2 webs and 2 (named) sensor boosters while you at it.
...and a T2 AB
...however since I don't have no more grid nor cpu to fit I just slap a nanofib in lows.
usefull? hell dunno, but it can go to speeds up to 1km/s and do nice damage up to 47km or so, and it still has the sphere launcher.
1.2km/s isnt enought to get out of bubble in time.
I suggest you pick fights you can win then, rather than fights you need to run away from. That setup above looks pretty pwnage to me. Although since you have a nanofibre in lows can you not fit named t1 launchers, a MAPC and a mwd?
sgb
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Kamikaaazi
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Posted - 2006.04.18 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: smallgreenblur
Originally by: Kamikaaazi
Originally by: Grimpak
wtf?
...well I can fit 6 T2 standarts and sphere launcher.
oh and fit 2 webs and 2 (named) sensor boosters while you at it.
...and a T2 AB
...however since I don't have no more grid nor cpu to fit I just slap a nanofib in lows.
usefull? hell dunno, but it can go to speeds up to 1km/s and do nice damage up to 47km or so, and it still has the sphere launcher.
1.2km/s isnt enought to get out of bubble in time.
I suggest you pick fights you can win then, rather than fights you need to run away from. That setup above looks pretty pwnage to me. Although since you have a nanofibre in lows can you not fit named t1 launchers, a MAPC and a mwd?
sgb
Have you ever used this ship before? Try dropping a bubble in a middle of 50+ hostile fleet sitting in a safespot and then not have speed to fly out of it. Even with mwd its suicidal. Why would anyone want to do that if they know that they are going to die?
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.04.18 13:39:00 -
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If you try to tackle a 50+ hostile fleet alone, you'll get spanked, badly.
Maybe it's more about tactics and teamwork than about powergrid and CPU ?
Anyway, I would'nt know, PvP bores me to tears ...
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Tennotsukai
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Posted - 2006.04.18 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
Mind unnerfing Heretic and Eris while you're at it, then?
Oh, and Std Launchers are super-long range weapons for frigate sized. Use Rocket Launchers to operate in similar distances as the other destroyers/interdictors
Lets not forget Unnerfing the Sabre.. As i want to be able to fit a full rack of 280's.. after all if the flycatcher should be able to fit its long range weapons with ease then so should the Sabre.
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Red Drive
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Posted - 2006.04.18 14:16:00 -
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Charles Tucker : overpowered??? rockets have better dps, nothing to do with overpowering.
Grimpak : so you throw away 2 meds for sensorboosters. nothing much to say there. try fitting from scratch.
Kery Nysell : "If you try to tackle a 50+ hostile fleet alone, you'll get spanked, badly." <- u really have no clue, do you?
FlyCatcher is pretty good actually, the setup is tight, but thats ok. its main role is tackling large fleets and gatejumpers, and then GET OUT. so speed and some durability, and luck.. too bad i have to fit nano on the single lowslot aswell, like someone mentioned.. on the 1vs1 situation id really like to see that BCS there :)
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.04.18 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Red Drive
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Kery Nysell : "If you try to tackle a 50+ hostile fleet alone, you'll get spanked, badly." <- u really have no clue, do you? <snip>
Yup, I don't have a clue PvP-wise, and I'm rather proud of it.
I'm a total carebear, PvP makes me want to quit the game and go read a book ... boring to death, in my eyes.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.18 15:48:00 -
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"Lets not forget Unnerfing the Sabre.. As i want to be able to fit a full rack of 280's.."
Well, if you're really desperate...
sphere launcher, 7x 280mm artillery II, 1mn afterburner II, sensor booster II, 2x web, RCU II, auxiliary power core
not really most useful and requires top skills to fit... but possible.
All interdictors are pretty tight with resources and a tad bit too tight, imo... but whined about it a while ago so not repeating that.
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Vmir Gallahasen
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:08:00 -
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Have you ever used this ship before? Try dropping a bubble in a middle of 50+ hostile fleet sitting in a safespot and then not have speed to fly out of it. Even with mwd its suicidal. Why would anyone want to do that if they know that they are going to die?
It seems like you're making assumptions of how the interdictor works rather than having actually flown one. What's stopping you from fitting as many nanofibers in your low slots as possible to align quickly, starting your warp out of a hostile fleet (your fleet better be engaging them or you'll just get waxed), and dropping the bubble? You'll escape. Best not to spend more than 5 seconds there anyway, because if the other fleet knows yours has an interdictor all of their support ships are going to be looking for you 
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:19:00 -
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Seems to me you want this little ship to do everything.
You can have it launch the bubble and get out of range fast or have it deal more damage but move slower.
*Gasp* compromise on setups
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4 LOM
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kamikaaazi
Edited by: Kamikaaazi on 18/04/2006 13:07:23
Edited by: Kamikaaazi on 18/04/2006 13:05:06
Originally by: smallgreenblur
Originally by: Kamikaaazi
Originally by: Grimpak
wtf?
...well I can fit 6 T2 standarts and sphere launcher.
oh and fit 2 webs and 2 (named) sensor boosters while you at it.
...and a T2 AB
...however since I don't have no more grid nor cpu to fit I just slap a nanofib in lows.
usefull? hell dunno, but it can go to speeds up to 1km/s and do nice damage up to 47km or so, and it still has the sphere launcher.
1.2km/s isnt enought to get out of bubble in time.
I suggest you pick fights you can win then, rather than fights you need to run away from. That setup above looks pretty pwnage to me. Although since you have a nanofibre in lows can you not fit named t1 launchers, a MAPC and a mwd?
sgb
Have you ever used this ship before? Try dropping a bubble in a middle of 50+ hostile fleet sitting in a safespot and then not have speed to fly out of it. Even with mwd its suicidal. Why would anyone want to do that if they know that they are going to die?
allso this setup above has 84 dps on structure, doesnt look pwnage to me.
i fit 6x standard II's on mine... and i prefer to run an AB. my question is have you ever used the ship? its sig radius is allready gigantic... if you drop a bubble in the middle of 50+ people then turn on a mwd and make your self as big as a house you are gona die as well. you even state yourself Originally by: Kamikaaazi
Even with mwd its suicidal
So i am not to sure what you are trying to say. first you say you cant get out of the bubble intime with only an AB with a +50 gang then you state even with a mwd its sucidal.... so ummm ok either way you die doing that so whats your point?
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2006.04.18 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 18/04/2006 17:01:03
Instead of whining how interdictors are weak and need to be "unnerfed" you should put your butt in one, take 2-3 teammates and go hunting.
Thanks god dictors dont have super firepower, otherwise they would be ultimate 0,0 gatecampers and each pierat would have one. Atm you need to have some support because they are easily destroyed and to be honest - i like them that way.
And: nanofibers in lows is pretty good idea on some of dictor setups.
EDIT: Heretic doesnt need to be unnerfed :) (ok - just change that silly EM damage bonus to launcher ROF or sth else - who uses EM missiles anyways when you have EM damage on lasers)
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DayVV4lkEr
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Posted - 2006.04.18 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
EDIT: Heretic doesnt need to be unnerfed :) (ok - just change that silly EM damage bonus to launcher ROF or sth else - who uses EM missiles anyways when you have EM damage on lasers)
Yep and change all the Kinetic Missile Bonus on Caldari Ships to RoF Bonus .....
Get used to it!
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2006.04.18 17:22:00 -
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Im not complaining :) Using piranhas atm so I can deal almost all damage types :) Also i usually have matari ship with me so he can rip armor faster.
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2006.04.18 17:30:00 -
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tbh, swapping a high & a mid for 2 lows would go along way to fix0ring this baby.
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Dust Angel
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Posted - 2006.04.18 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kamikaaazi
This ship has stupidly low grid and cpu. Theres no way you could fit standard II launchers on it. Boost grid and cpu or swap 1 med to low.
but your kamikaaaaaaaaaazi! do as your name suggests.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.04.18 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 18/04/2006 17:44:35
Originally by: Red Drive
Grimpak : so you throw away 2 meds for sensorboosters. nothing much to say there. try fitting from scratch.
..it's a setup I made to catch inty gank squads that use to roam in my alliance grounds.
even with no sensor boosters the damn thing takes waaay too long to lock in.
oh and I've made diferent setups already, and those include setups with shield extenders + pdu's, ot shield boosters, and many other ways.
oh and the nanofib in the lows gives the ship more agility, wich, tbh, needs.
heck tbh, the only thing I have to complain about interdictors is their sig and tinfoiled armour/shields, that's all.
...more than that and it would be asking for them to be overpowered.
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2006.04.18 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 18/04/2006 17:48:00
Armor isnt even such an issue (ok... dictors are dessys and it is a bit stupid to see that crusader has almost as much armor/shield/hull as heretic) but sig is. Wrong place, wrong time, caracal with 5x heavies and you bite the dust :)
And im not sure if cruise raven (or precision cruise one) cant actually one-salvo dictors.
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Epsillon
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Posted - 2006.04.18 18:15:00 -
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The split weapons on the Eris and Heretic need fixing too.
And a decent damage bonus wouldn't go amiss either.
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2006.04.18 18:19:00 -
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If you fit for damage, you're flying the wrong ship.
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2006.04.18 18:33:00 -
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Until it is autocannon Sabre :)
Those thingies HURT :)
I use my heretic guns just to get on killmails ;p (26km optimal so it is easy to drop bubble and shoot a bit).
But still - I outdamage most intys (except for heavy ones like Claw/Sader/Ranis)
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2006.04.18 18:35:00 -
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for someone named kamikaaazi you dont seem willing to take one for the team...
6x Standard Launcher II
1x Sphere launcher
1x 1MN MWD II
1x Webifier
1x Sensor Booster II
1x Micro Aux Core
Use that if you want mwd and standard missiles.
Alternatively, get some faction stuff/named stuff so you have more CPU to play with. You can also drop the sphere launcher for another 100 cpu if you want to focus on killing frigs instead of dropping probes.
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