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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1425	Posted - 2011.11.11 14:12:00 - [1] - Quote Etheoma wrote: So what do they add? Heavy fire support to cruiser/BC roams. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1425	Posted - 2011.11.11 14:38:00 - [2] - Quote Etheoma wrote: As I implied stealth bombers would be able to do that. Not really, no. Three torp launchers <<<<< Eight [whatever large weapon system you like]. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1425	Posted - 2011.11.11 14:57:00 - [3] - Quote Etheoma wrote: you can get 640 dps because of the massive damage bonus on bomber I think its 15% per level yes you only get 3 launchers, but you get at lvl 5 75% which makes 6 launchers around about. GÇªwhich is still much less than the Tier 3 BCs can offer (not to mention that even with their weaker tank, the BCs offer a survivability that is more in line with the rest of such a cruiser/BC gang). So no, bombers can't provide the same support the new BCs can. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1425	Posted - 2011.11.11 15:11:00 - [4] - Quote Etheoma wrote: if your in an SB you have a good fit and can fly it properly if you die your flying it properly. GÇªwhich doesn't change the fact that, no, SBs can't provide the same heavy fire support (or a tank to match the capabilities of the rest of the cruiser roam) as the BCs can. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1425	Posted - 2011.11.11 15:35:00 - [5] - Quote Etheoma wrote: this is the last time I'm going to break this down for you In the tornado you have 20 ish k EHP the others are around about the same apart from the naga now the problem with the naga is it can only use torps and only gets a 10% bonus pers level of battlecruisers for torp speed which only give you around a 30k distance now at this distance it is rather easy for people to shoot at you or burn over to you to tackle you do the rest of the fleet can kill you GÇªwhich still doesn't change the fact that no, SBs cannot provide the same heavy fire support (with the same tank backing it) as the Tier 3 BCs. It doesn't matter how much you try to GÇ£break it downGÇ¥ GÇö they just can't. Quote: now which number is higher 550 or 450? The ~1000 DPS a Tier 3 BC can provide. You know, since one of its uses is to provide heavy fire support to a cruiser/BC gang. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1425	Posted - 2011.11.11 15:57:00 - [6] - Quote Etheoma wrote: Yes but to get that dps you have to stay within a limited range which enables people to easily tackle you easily the ** your day, GÇªand that's why you have the standard support ships in your gang: ewar, logistics, and all that goodness. Quote:** the stright DPS on eve means nothing you have to think about where your going to be able to survive where you can do your max dps while doing that GÇªand that is why SBs can't provide the same heavy fire support that the Tier 3 BCs can: because in order to survive and do max DPS, the SBs have to stick to different situations and different tactics than the BCs (and even when they do, their max DPS is much lower). They are not a viable choice for the role. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1425	Posted - 2011.11.11 16:25:00 - [7] - Quote Etheoma wrote: I give up That seems like a reasonable thing to do seeing as how you haven't really explained how SBs could be used for the same role (i.e. heavy fire support for roaming cruiser/BC gangs). GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1425	Posted - 2011.11.11 16:41:00 - [8] - Quote Etheoma wrote: I was going to but I really can't be asked Yes you can. I'm asking you: how can SBs perform the same heavy fire support role as the Tier 3 BCs? If you can't be arsed to answer, then you shouldn't bother to chime in GÇö GÇ£nuh-uhGÇ¥ isn't a sufficient argument. The tier-3 BCs are meant to deliver battleship-level damage (or even higher, in some cases) in a small and nimble BC hull, that tanks about the same as a well-fit cruiser (to keep them balnaced). Being T1 ships, insurance also makes them lolcheap. They are gang ships, through and through, and are supposed to do one thing: deliver silly amounts of DPS while the rest of the gang keeps the target(s) occupied/locked down/disabled. In a pinch, they can also survive someone firing back, given the right support from the fleet. SBs, by their very nature, cannot do this. While fast and agile enough, they lack the GÇ£silly amounts of DPSGÇ¥ part, as well as the survivability, should someone fire back. The other contending ship class is the battleship, but they are too slow and cumbersome to tag along on these kinds of fast and agile roams, so they're disqualified for that reason instead. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1439	Posted - 2011.11.12 21:35:00 - [9] - Quote Etheoma wrote: Ok i have had a day to recuperate so now i can come back and further explain why the tier 3 BC's and the specialization is useless because other ships can fill there roles better GÇªships such asGÇª? What other ship offers the damage output combined with the speed and manoeuvrability combined with the low cost combined with the flexibility combined with the silly low skill requirements combined with [etc]? Etheoma wrote: and the thing with the battle ships as you have said if your going to be going around with them your going to have support well if you replaced those with tier 1 BS's you could do more damage because you could get your gang to web them and get over there with a MWD and do more damage because you dont have 100k EHP+ so you dont have to lose DPS by traveling fast you dont have to lose dps by staying out at 30+k you can sit there and put 700+ actual damage into them rather than 400dps - 600dps and don't bleat numbers again i'm talking about real situational DPS not the highest you can get Have you heard of this funny little punctuation mark called the GÇ£periodGÇ¥? It's a wonderful thing. You should get to know it and use it. Anyway, everything you said here holds true for the BCs as well. They are meant to be used with a gang, so it is a thoroughly trivial matter to get the full DPS out of them, and no, you don't need to buzz around like your hair is on fire because your gang has already taken care of that problem. Yes, even the torp Naga will do full damage against most targets, if you use it correctlyGÇª GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1439	Posted - 2011.11.12 23:58:00 - [10] - Quote Vmir Gallahasen wrote: Since your own speed can counter your own dps even against battleships, it's also a thoroughly trivial matter for the enemy to apply full DPS to you, too (if you're not 'buzzing around'). And they don't need to tackle you for that. GÇªexcept that the enemy will have problems shooting the BCs at all, whereas the BCs will have enough help to ensure that their own speed is a complete non-issue. And if you're that worried about tracking, just fly a torp Naga. Gang ships. That's they key detail here. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á

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