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Evilishah
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Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.28 18:54:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Funny how OP claims PVE is zero risk, then goes on about how he gets PVE players to leave their ships and so on. Kind of a oxymoron, eh? You are the risk OP, as well as gankers. It's far from zero risk.
It isn't though.
Eve is such that there is inherent risk in virtually everything. Invest too much in a market that crashes and you can lose a ton of isk. Undock in a spendy ship and there is the possibility of a suicide gank. Take a big ship into low, there's a real chance you could be tackled before you align and warp.
That said, high sec is incredibly safe relative to the rest of Eve. So they aren't mutually exclusive (OPs comments and OPs actions), like you seem to think they are.
I think OP takes it a bit too far, and I agree with some of the newer player safety nets (like safety and lowsec pop-ups), as sandbox does not necessarily mean "take advantage of a day 1 player for lulz".
But OP is correct that this game has an inverse risk/reward set-up. Some of the easiest and safest content in the game is the most valuable (lvl 4s) while some of the most dangerous is less rewarded (90% of low-sec, Nullsec Exploration).
I don't think it is unreasonable, nor have I heard one good argument against this, that risk-averse activities should reward less than more dangerous endeavors.
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Evilishah
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.28 18:57:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:stuff
Ganking is only as profitable as the owner makes it.
And yes, there is risk in all parts of Eve. There is less risk in high sec... unless you really want to compare running high sec missions (gankers and all) to jumping through the myriad of null sec bubble camps. |
Evilishah
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 00:59:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote:
I don't love having my billion isk mission ship being blown up when there is nothing i can do about it.
I don't love being horrified to touch anything in high sec for fear of turning suspect.
I'd be inclined to agree up to a point.
There is a problem though. High sec isn't just safe (relatively), it is insanely profitable.
Were high sec 100% safe, it should be hugely nerfed for profitability requiring runs into low and null to even have a chance at purchasing something like a Marauder. In either case, we are both pipe-dreaming.
Eve is incredibly unique in that not only is our starter area also our "end game", it is the easiest activity in Eve, the most profitable activity in Eve, and one of the safest activities in Eve. |
Evilishah
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 17:46:00 -
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Mentioning Null as a problem is just bringing up a new issue. It doesn't affect this issue ie they are not mutually exclusive.
I think most of us can agree that Null has become the new high sec in some sense and that the blue ring is bad for all of us. Hopefully this is something being considered by CCP.
That said, it still doesn't change high sec profit to risk ratio which is ******* high... really high. There are a few threads that have crunched numbers to show that high sec is one of the most profitable activities in the game. Add to that the safety of high sec, and in many cases you are risking nothing for said profitability. |
Evilishah
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 23:06:00 -
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Dr Sraggles wrote:
This is a thread about a can flipper that is complaining that can flipping in high sec is too hard, no more, no less.
If you think Null is the new high sec tell it to Pandemic Legion or Test. They found it more risky than we can dream of.
Have this little can flipper who made this thread go deep into Goon Space and try flipping some cans.
Maybe, but that doesn't necessarily invalidate his points. High sec is safe and one of the most profitable places in Eve.
You also don't really address the Null issue. Yeah, it's dangerous for people like me who fly into Null uninvited to hack sites, but if I chose to join a Goon affiliated corp... Null just got a whole, whole lot safer.
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Evilishah
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.02 05:30:00 -
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Phaade wrote:they need a second tier of missions, and the current missions to pay out far less / be easier.....
I would love to see the entire mission system overhauled. Right now, difficulty doesn't really go up, so much as the size of the ship you fly does. It would be cool to have missions increase in difficulty in ship class as well. Right now, sub-BSs are almost 100% forgot about as far as PvE content goes. All ship classes up to the BS or T2 (like Hac/CS) are just stepping stones.
Something that would be way ******* cool would be PvP missions. Something that requires you to go to low sec and actually interact. Who knows.
@Ines Tegator
I don't think you are 100% correct. I am largely a bear. These days I do mostly Null exploration, but that vast, vast majority of my time has been in High Sec. And though I think it is incredibly important to accommodate high sec exclusive players, I think it is in keeping with Eve that risk brings reward and that is the position I argue for.
The problem is when a handful of extremists on both sides want to change the game to 100% suit their play style... like those that want to remove highsec completely vs those that want to eliminate any player caused deaths in highsec.
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