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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
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Posted - 2014.03.01 18:10:00 -
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Russian Parliament has authorized direct military intervention in Ukraine today. (Yesterday it was only "non-military humanitarian aid" Putin says it is necessary to "protect ethnic Russians in area". I believe someone in the late 30's used a very similar reason to invade a few countries.
Not that Putin has eyes on any other countries...today.
Meanwhile, the super-mighty u.s. of a, has decided that they will sit this one out, and have told Putin that he is very naughty and there "will be costs". Actually, I should not pick on the u.s. Looks like the entire world has no interest in taking on the russians over Ukraine. When you are dealing with a powerful military, backed by nukes, countries suddenly are quite reluctant to engage.
Just another reason that Canada needs nuclear subs and nuclear weapons. When the Arctic opens up thanks to global warming, and the russians/americans/whoever else has the firepower decides that Ellesmere Island and that shelf actually are part of a continental shelf extending from wherever is convenient, Canada has to be able to exercise and maintain its sovereignty.
And the only thing bullies like putin and Big Oil understand is power. There is a reason that North Korea has not been invaded. There are actually about 6 of them.
And if Ukraine is finding out today why they should have actually kept some of the nukes left by the 1990's russian breakup. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

stoicfaux
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Posted - 2014.03.01 18:26:00 -
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If global warming/climate change dramatically rearranges farmland, then Canada will be assimilated in the US.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2301
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Posted - 2014.03.01 18:31:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:If global warming/climate change dramatically rearranges farmland, then Canada will be assimilated in the US.
Have a look at the Sierra's snow cover this year, read how low Hoover Dam water levels are, and I am pretty sure you know about the California drought. It is only a matter of time before the u.s. is in such a bad way for water, (can't wait for the real effects of fracking to be experienced), they will look northward.
if we had nukes, and I mean a lot of them, the u.s would not invade, nor would countries like russia play games with this continental shelf business in the Arctic. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2014.03.01 18:56:00 -
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Canada needs nukes to maintain sovereignty? So, canoe it through a river and release it to the ocean hoping it hits something?
Ukraine doesn't need nukes to resolve their issue, that's their land and Russia has no jurisdiction claiming territory anywhere. They can withdraw their supporters but shooting is another ordeal.
Also in before lock since politics are prohibited. |

Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
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Posted - 2014.03.01 19:01:00 -
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This will end well.
Also, if anyone thought that sentence was anything but sarcasm, I have a bridge I'd like to sell. I'd post more but discussion, politics, etc., etc. |

Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
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Posted - 2014.03.01 19:12:00 -
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What bridge?
I like Jelly. Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Carmen Electra - You are also on my block list. |

Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
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Posted - 2014.03.01 19:22:00 -
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Tollen Gallen wrote:What bridge?
Let's go with the London Bridge. It's mine, and you can pick it up in Lake Havasu, Arizona, U.S.A. for the low, low price of only $9,995.95 USD!*
*Statement not to be taken at face value. Poster does not actually own said bridge. Heed all warning labels on package. Terms and conditions apply. Free goat not included with purchase. |

Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
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Posted - 2014.03.01 19:30:00 -
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Does it come in Coffee Flavor?
I like Cake. Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Carmen Electra - You are also on my block list. |

Frank Millar
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Posted - 2014.03.01 20:14:00 -
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Wrayeth wrote:Free goat not included with purchase. Bummer.  |

Mystri
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Posted - 2014.03.01 21:55:00 -
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Gas, gas, get your cheap gas here!
Gas, gas, get your cheap future options here, QUICK! oh yer too late comrade... |

XNCReman
Soviet Directorate of Eve
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Posted - 2014.03.01 23:04:00 -
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BLACK-STAR wrote:Canada needs nukes to maintain sovereignty? So, canoe it through a river and release it to the ocean hoping it hits something?
Ukraine doesn't need nukes to resolve their issue, that's their land and Russia has no jurisdiction claiming territory anywhere. They can withdraw their supporters but shooting is another ordeal.
Also in before lock since politics are prohibited.
http://www.seanmmaloney.com/articles/i0061.html - Canadian Nuclear weapons, and we are very capable of making them, overnight, because every commercial nuclear power plant in Canada is a Breeder.
Heres my take on this, Crimea use to be apart of Russia until the 1950's and the majority back then were un-happy with the USSR's move to make it apart of the Ukraine, and it seems the majority of people there want to re-join Russia, and thatGÇÖs fine by me, and it would be foolish for Ukraine to not allow it, as it could create more problems for them in the future.
As for RussiaGÇÖs Response on this, First They are getting desperate, Russia's sphere of influence over the Former Soviet states, Warsaw pact members and collection of poor tin-pot dictatorship has been dimensioning the last ten years. Russia's GDP per capita has been increasing since Putin has been running Russia, but places like Ukraine are still struggling and the people there feel that have have more to gain from, which I don't blame them. Second reason for this response, its just to appease the internal audience with-in Russia, same as Obama's response to the situation, to appeal to the conservatives with in the USA, typical Cold-war era wind bagness.
Whats in the future, if Ukraine breaks away Russia, it means other Former soviet states are probably going to do the same thing, meaning Russia's going to be face of either being alone, or having to integrate with the West(IE the rest of the world) trade wise.
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 23:41:00 -
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XNCReman wrote:BLACK-STAR wrote:Canada needs nukes to maintain sovereignty? So, canoe it through a river and release it to the ocean hoping it hits something?
Ukraine doesn't need nukes to resolve their issue, that's their land and Russia has no jurisdiction claiming territory anywhere. They can withdraw their supporters but shooting is another ordeal.
Also in before lock since politics are prohibited. http://www.seanmmaloney.com/articles/i0061.html - Canadian Nuclear weapons, and we are very capable of making them, overnight, because every commercial nuclear power plant in Canada is a Breeder. Heres my take on this, Crimea use to be apart of Russia until the 1950's and the majority back then were un-happy with the USSR's move to make it apart of the Ukraine, and it seems the majority of people there want to re-join Russia, and thatGÇÖs fine by me, and it would be foolish for Ukraine to not allow it, as it could create more problems for them in the future. As for RussiaGÇÖs Response on this, First They are getting desperate, Russia's sphere of influence over the Former Soviet states, Warsaw pact members and collection of poor tin-pot dictatorship has been dimensioning the last ten years. Russia's GDP per capita has been increasing since Putin has been running Russia, but places like Ukraine are still struggling and the people there feel that have have more to gain from, which I don't blame them. Second reason for this response, its just to appease the internal audience with-in Russia, same as Obama's response to the situation, to appeal to the conservatives with in the USA, typical Cold-war era wind bagness. Whats in the future, if Ukraine breaks away Russia, it means other Former soviet states are probably going to do the same thing, meaning Russia's going to be face of either being alone, or having to integrate with the West(IE the rest of the world) trade wise. lol And Crimean Tatars, who owned Crim before than, were vassals of Ottoman Empire, so lets just return Crim to Turkey and be done with it. Gÿ¦7 Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |

Earthan
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.01 23:45:00 -
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Quote: Crimea use to be apart of Russia until the 1950's and the majority back then were un-happy with the USSR's move to make it apart of the Ukraine, and it seems the majority of people there want to re-join Russia, and thatGÇÖs fine by me, and it would be foolish for Ukraine to not allow it, as it could create more problems for them in the future.
..,Which ofc is total bull**** when it happens precisely at such a moment.Futhermore around 20 years ago there was budapest memorandum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances signed among others by Russia.
Putin wants Crimea and is being not very subtle about it, doign the same stuff as before.All other rationalizations are just bull****
I dont know how much freedom you got in Russia and how dangerous it is, but really, i would never let the leaders of my country do such a thing, i would protest with all my force. |

Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
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Posted - 2014.03.02 01:04:00 -
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Is the bridge coffee flavored?????
I like Snow. Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Carmen Electra - You are also on my block list. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2014.03.02 01:09:00 -
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Putin: "Hey everyone ! Thanks for coming to our lovely Olympics last week."
"Now, watch this one neat trick. You're gonna love it..........."  "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2014.03.02 01:10:00 -
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The 2nd Crimean War ? ? "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
473
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Posted - 2014.03.02 03:01:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:The 2nd Crimean War ? ? More like 12th. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.02 05:07:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:The 2nd Crimean War ? ?
Only if Britain gets involved there again. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
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Posted - 2014.03.02 05:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:The 2nd Crimean War ? ? Only if Britain gets involved there again.
That reminds me of something. Hmm...what could it be? |

Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
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Posted - 2014.03.02 06:38:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Russian Parliament has authorized direct military intervention in Ukraine today. (Yesterday it was only "non-military humanitarian aid" Putin says it is necessary to "protect ethnic Russians in area". I believe someone in the late 30's used a very similar reason to invade a few countries.
Except that about two thirds of the crimean population ARE ethnic Russians who seem to prefer closer ties with Motherland. "National aspirations must be respected; people may now be dominated and governed only by their own consent. Self determination is not a mere phrase; it is an imperative principle of action. . . ." Who said that? Oh, President Woodrow Wilson! Who is the agressor and who is the defender in this case? It-¦s certainly not that simple. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.02 06:55:00 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Russian Parliament has authorized direct military intervention in Ukraine today. (Yesterday it was only "non-military humanitarian aid" Putin says it is necessary to "protect ethnic Russians in area". I believe someone in the late 30's used a very similar reason to invade a few countries. Except that about two thirds of the crimean population ARE ethnic Russians who seem to prefer closer ties with Motherland. "National aspirations must be respected; people may now be dominated and governed only by their own consent. Self determination is not a mere phrase; it is an imperative principle of action. . . ."Who said that? Oh, President Woodrow Wilson! Who is the agressor and who is the defender in this case? It-¦s certainly not that simple.
Its seems ethnic russians are not the majority there. Ukranians and a lot of native muslims (who hate russia because of stalin). So it seems most dont want to be in russia. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Earthan
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.02 07:11:00 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Russian Parliament has authorized direct military intervention in Ukraine today. (Yesterday it was only "non-military humanitarian aid" Putin says it is necessary to "protect ethnic Russians in area". I believe someone in the late 30's used a very similar reason to invade a few countries. Except that about two thirds of the crimean population ARE ethnic Russians who seem to prefer closer ties with Motherland. "National aspirations must be respected; people may now be dominated and governed only by their own consent. Self determination is not a mere phrase; it is an imperative principle of action. . . ."Who said that? Oh, President Woodrow Wilson! Who is the agressor and who is the defender in this case? It-¦s certainly not that simple. Please. It is that simple.
First the timing: Suddenly at such a moment Putin reminds himself of ethnicty in Crimea and takes action.Right.
IF Putin was really only worried about peoples walfare there and ethincty there are number of peacful ways to go about it: 1-Ask for UN soldiers. 2-Organize a referendum , when its again relative peacfully, with inter countrie observers.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
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Posted - 2014.03.02 08:23:00 -
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Earthan wrote:Nerath Naaris wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Russian Parliament has authorized direct military intervention in Ukraine today. (Yesterday it was only "non-military humanitarian aid" Putin says it is necessary to "protect ethnic Russians in area". I believe someone in the late 30's used a very similar reason to invade a few countries. Except that about two thirds of the crimean population ARE ethnic Russians who seem to prefer closer ties with Motherland. "National aspirations must be respected; people may now be dominated and governed only by their own consent. Self determination is not a mere phrase; it is an imperative principle of action. . . ."Who said that? Oh, President Woodrow Wilson! Who is the agressor and who is the defender in this case? It-¦s certainly not that simple. Please. It is that simple. First the timing: Suddenly at such a moment Putin reminds himself of ethnicty in Crimea and takes action.Right. IF Putin was really only worried about peoples walfare there and ethincty there are number of peacful ways to go about it: What he is doing is using the turmoil to carve another piece of land for hikmself , a juicy one this time , with black sea access.Prolly also furious taht Ukraine , wiht upcoming free elections , might get free out of Russia's shpere of influence.
Yup.
Outside of Sevastopol, the only other western warm water port for Russia is Syria's Tartus, which cannot service its large ships.
Ukraine was a big chunk of Russia, prior to the breakup. Given its economic woes (largely created by the kleptocracy of its former gov't), have the eastern side of Ukraine (rather, some percentage of the population) agitating for rejoining Russia. So it is in Russia's strategic interests to annex the Crimea, at the very least. Will they take the whole country is the larger question.
And as stated, NATO will not get involved in a war with a country that can actually shoot back. It also makes the Euro's decision about this invasion a lot easier when one looks at how much of Russian oil heats Europe and fires their economy. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Angelique Duchemin
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.02 10:29:00 -
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Since the US has a Naval base at Lake Erie then I'm going to assume that the Canadian nuclear submarines are located there. The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.02 12:05:00 -
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Ukraine is mobilising... Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2014.03.02 14:24:00 -
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"No Country for Old Dictator Men"  "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
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Posted - 2014.03.02 16:24:00 -
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Well, since this, strangely, isn't getting locked, I'm going to throw in my own two cents.
To me, this looks like it's simply a grab for land and power. There are some potentially legitimate concerns about protecting the people of Crimea, but if that was Putin's true reason he would've gone about things differently, probably seeking multilateral support for the mission. Instead, Mr. Ex-KGB has basically invaded a sovereign country in an effort to secure another chunk of the former U.S.S.R.
The other part to this is that NATO nations are signatories of a treaty to ensure the Ukraine's security. Putin knows this, but doesn't think that NATO has the testicular fortitude to follow its treaty obligations and stand up to his forces. He probably figures that the U.S. would normally act even so, but after ten years of conflict in the Middle East, Americans are tired of the cost of war, both in human lives and dollars. As such, he probably feels that all that will happen is sternly-worded warnings and little else. I think he's so confident of this that he doesn't expect to see actual troops on the ground.
Personally, what I'd like to see is a multinational force moved in--only with the Ukranian government's permission!--to the areas of Ukraine that Russia has not yet occupied, but no direct assault on Russian forces unless they attempt to seize more of the country. The presence of troops that he doesn't expect to see would hopefully cause him to reconsider his plans and bring him to the negotiating table so that a peaceful solution could be worked out. And, if he's prepared to try to take the rest of Ukraine despite the presence of Western troops, then he'll have proven that the Russian government has become nothing more than avaricious criminals and despots. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2014.03.02 16:50:00 -
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Wrayeth wrote: And, if he's prepared to try to take the rest of Ukraine despite the presence of Western troops, then he'll have proven that the Russian government has become nothing more than avaricious criminals and despots.
True indeed. It's just.....this has been well known since 1917.
Even if you get rid of the terrible politicians, the Russian Mafia will just install whomever they want over time. There really is no "winning" of any situation over there. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2014.03.02 20:25:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:If global warming/climate change dramatically rearranges farmland, then Canada will be assimilated in the US.
Don't you mean the world? ... oh wait, they need to kill off or subjugate 1 bil Chinese before that happens  |

BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2014.03.02 21:39:00 -
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Ukraine wants no sort of international forces invading/occupying them, just world recognition and respect. If Russia had good faith in relief effort this shouldn't be militarized as it is.
Canada are peacekeepers and can only argue over icebergs. nuking ice is doing it wrong.
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