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Xune	Posted - 2006.04.20 19:04:00 - [61] Originally by: mirel yirrin Careful waht you nerf, else we'll have 7 TII neutron blasterboats running around permatanking the sentrys As cool as that would be, the balance would go out the window. CPU needs addresing, but Cap doesn't imo. Do you have any idea how much energy it takes to make a cyclotron work, or to pulse a railguns magnetic thinigmbobbies? I thought not. you cant be serius.. look at Far¦s or mine calculation.. and then think once more.. and if you still dont understand think once more... still dont get it ? ok once more......
Xune	Posted - 2006.04.20 19:07:00 - [62] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Xune Originally by: Farjung Originally by: Hellspawn01 Get lost Xune.. I had to pay him with a free oral job and a Vindicator.... I earned that spot in his Vid. I know him longer :P hes my cuddle pillow !
mirel yirrin	Posted - 2006.04.20 19:27:00 - [63] huggles Xune I'm rambling, ignore meh ---------------------------------
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.04.20 19:41:00 - [64] Originally by: mirel yirrin Careful waht you nerf, else we'll have 7 TII neutron blasterboats running around permatanking the sentrys As cool as that would be, the balance would go out the window. CPU needs addresing, but Cap doesn't imo. Do you have any idea how much energy it takes to make a cyclotron work, or to pulse a railguns magnetic thinigmbobbies? I thought not. if you think the cap is fine then your wrong I post on the forums for MaxSuicide that makes me cool? Originally by: Dark Shikari Dragonball Z> all other anime
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.04.20 19:52:00 - [65] Originally by: mirel yirrin Careful waht you nerf, else we'll have 7 TII neutron blasterboats running around permatanking the sentrys As cool as that would be, the balance would go out the window. CPU needs addresing, but Cap doesn't imo. Do you have any idea how much energy it takes to make a cyclotron work, or to pulse a railguns magnetic thinigmbobbies? I thought not. So why can minmater/caldari have it? Die, die, die.
Farjung	Posted - 2006.04.20 20:18:00 - [66] Originally by: Xune Originally by: Wizie Get lost Xune.. I had to pay him with a free oral job and a Vindicator.... I earned that spot in his Vid. I know him longer :P hes my cuddle pillow ! lol, I actually knew Wizie before we started playing EVE, but I'll still be your cuddle pillow ;p. --- Reckless Wave of Mutilation
Xune	Posted - 2006.04.20 20:22:00 - [67] Originally by: Farjung Originally by: Xune Originally by: Wizie Get lost Xune.. I had to pay him with a free oral job and a Vindicator.... I earned that spot in his Vid. I know him longer :P hes my cuddle pillow ! lol, I actually knew Wizie before we started playing EVE, but I'll still be your cuddle pillow ;p. that was pretty close Farjung.. you made me sob already.... was close to burst in tear¦s... could hand you some of the few bs kill fraps stuff i have and you get that into your movie ? since right now with all the pc problems i might never get enough decent footage :\ hm... damm.. im spamming the forums AAAAAAAAAAA need to go to bed and stop drinking.
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.04.20 20:43:00 - [68] Originally by: Farjung Originally by: Xune Originally by: Wizie Get lost Xune.. I had to pay him with a free oral job and a Vindicator.... I earned that spot in his Vid. I know him longer :P hes my cuddle pillow ! lol, I actually knew Wizie before we started playing EVE, but I'll still be your cuddle pillow ;p. you get xune and I get wizie how does that sound? I post on the forums for MaxSuicide that makes me cool? Originally by: Dark Shikari Dragonball Z> all other anime
Farjung	Posted - 2006.04.20 21:52:00 - [69] I say we cut them both in two and take half each --- Reckless Wave of Mutilation
Xune	Posted - 2006.04.20 21:52:00 - [70] Originally by: Spartan239 Originally by: Farjung Originally by: Xune Originally by: Wizie Get lost Xune.. I had to pay him with a free oral job and a Vindicator.... I earned that spot in his Vid. I know him longer :P hes my cuddle pillow ! lol, I actually knew Wizie before we started playing EVE, but I'll still be your cuddle pillow ;p. you get xune and I get wizie how does that sound? we forget about Wizie and i get you both ? PURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.04.20 21:55:00 - [71] Originally by: Farjung I say we cut them both in two and take half each deal I post on the forums for MaxSuicide that makes me cool? Originally by: Dark Shikari Dragonball Z> all other anime
Mazad	Posted - 2006.04.20 22:02:00 - [72] The Blasterthron isn't broken. When you fit a Thron you fit a combination of blasters depending on your skills and the modules you're using. The more skills you have, the more 'high dmg' blasters you can fit. You're supposed to fit a combination of blaster types...and yes you can do good damage and tank.
Xune	Posted - 2006.04.20 22:09:00 - [73] Originally by: Mazad The Blasterthron isn't broken. When you fit a Thron you fit a combination of blasters depending on your skills and the modules you're using. The more skills you have, the more 'high dmg' blasters you can fit. You're supposed to fit a combination of blaster types...and yes you can do good damage and tank. so all those long year blaster pilots are wrong but your not ? your not an alt from Maya are you ?
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.04.20 22:12:00 - [74] Originally by: Mazad The Blasterthron isn't broken. When you fit a Thron you fit a combination of blasters depending on your skills and the modules you're using. The more skills you have, the more 'high dmg' blasters you can fit. You're supposed to fit a combination of blaster types...and yes you can do good damage and tank. Hmm... ok... so if you can barely fit a decent tank and a rack of the lightest blasters with maxed out skills, what does that make your comment? And with decent damage - I should bloody hope so since we are talking about a ship that's nowhere near fast, but still needs to get closer than a railgun-fitted frigate to do damage. But there's no point going into detail. I'd just try to repeat several hundred posts of arguments again. Latest EVE musing (MC-boards)
Ti anna	Posted - 2006.04.20 22:30:00 - [75] Edited by: Ti anna on 20/04/2006 22:32:52 I think the main problem with large blasters is threefold. 1. They take way too much Cap to fire! 2. They need to have better tracking than they do on a Mega. 3. This is something that I feel is the core of their problem, they need to have an adjustment to their accuracy (sig radius for hitting, how well they hit etc...). A blaster should not have a problem hitting for normal to wrecking shots when their targets are in the optimal range (as long as they are not exceeding their tracking capability). I noticed that they have a tendency to produce a lot of barely hits and glancing shots, even when at optimal and the target is barely moving.
Mazad	Posted - 2006.04.20 22:32:00 - [76] Edited by: Mazad on 20/04/2006 22:33:26 Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Mazad The Blasterthron isn't broken. When you fit a Thron you fit a combination of blasters depending on your skills and the modules you're using. The more skills you have, the more 'high dmg' blasters you can fit. You're supposed to fit a combination of blaster types...and yes you can do good damage and tank. Hmm... ok... so if you can barely fit a decent tank and a rack of the lightest blasters with maxed out skills, what does that make your comment? And with decent damage - I should bloody hope so since we are talking about a ship that's nowhere near fast, but still needs to get closer than a railgun-fitted frigate to do damage. But there's no point going into detail. I'd just try to repeat several hundred posts of arguments again. If you can only 'barely' fit a decent tank and the lightest blasters with maxed out skills - I would suggest you're doing something very wrong, or you don't have maxed out skills.
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.04.20 22:38:00 - [77] Originally by: Mazad Edited by: Mazad on 20/04/2006 22:33:26 Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Mazad The Blasterthron isn't broken. When you fit a Thron you fit a combination of blasters depending on your skills and the modules you're using. The more skills you have, the more 'high dmg' blasters you can fit. You're supposed to fit a combination of blaster types...and yes you can do good damage and tank. Hmm... ok... so if you can barely fit a decent tank and a rack of the lightest blasters with maxed out skills, what does that make your comment? And with decent damage - I should bloody hope so since we are talking about a ship that's nowhere near fast, but still needs to get closer than a railgun-fitted frigate to do damage. But there's no point going into detail. I'd just try to repeat several hundred posts of arguments again. If you can only 'barely' fit a decent tank and the lightest blasters with maxed out skills - I would suggest you're doing something very wrong, or you don't have maxed out skills. No, its why the ship is getting boosted, why would so many people lie about it? I post on the forums for MaxSuicide that makes me cool? Originally by: Dark Shikari Dragonball Z> all other anime
Toksin	Posted - 2006.04.20 22:39:00 - [78] Originally by: Mazad The Blasterthron isn't broken. When you fit a Thron you fit a combination of blasters depending on your skills and the modules you're using. The more skills you have, the more 'high dmg' blasters you can fit. You're supposed to fit a combination of blaster types...and yes you can do good damage and tank. There's no way this guy is serious. No way. Sorry. He's got to be an alt just flaming. If he is serious.... --------------- My views do not reflect the views of my corp, or my own views.
Xune	Posted - 2006.04.20 22:53:00 - [79] Originally by: Mazad Edited by: Mazad on 20/04/2006 22:33:26 Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Mazad The Blasterthron isn't broken. When you fit a Thron you fit a combination of blasters depending on your skills and the modules you're using. The more skills you have, the more 'high dmg' blasters you can fit. You're supposed to fit a combination of blaster types...and yes you can do good damage and tank. Hmm... ok... so if you can barely fit a decent tank and a rack of the lightest blasters with maxed out skills, what does that make your comment? And with decent damage - I should bloody hope so since we are talking about a ship that's nowhere near fast, but still needs to get closer than a railgun-fitted frigate to do damage. But there's no point going into detail. I'd just try to repeat several hundred posts of arguments again. If you can only 'barely' fit a decent tank and the lightest blasters with maxed out skills - I would suggest you're doing something very wrong, or you don't have maxed out skills. you sir... have no idear.. you ever flyed a Mega ? i think telling Ithildin he has no skills or dont know how to fit a Mega is like telling a Cat that she has no idear how to lik-groom her fur.
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.04.20 22:57:00 - [80] Originally by: Xune Originally by: Mazad Edited by: Mazad on 20/04/2006 22:33:26 Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Mazad The Blasterthron isn't broken. When you fit a Thron you fit a combination of blasters depending on your skills and the modules you're using. The more skills you have, the more 'high dmg' blasters you can fit. You're supposed to fit a combination of blaster types...and yes you can do good damage and tank. Hmm... ok... so if you can barely fit a decent tank and a rack of the lightest blasters with maxed out skills, what does that make your comment? And with decent damage - I should bloody hope so since we are talking about a ship that's nowhere near fast, but still needs to get closer than a railgun-fitted frigate to do damage. But there's no point going into detail. I'd just try to repeat several hundred posts of arguments again. If you can only 'barely' fit a decent tank and the lightest blasters with maxed out skills - I would suggest you're doing something very wrong, or you don't have maxed out skills. you sir... have no idear.. you ever flyed a Mega ? i think telling Ithildin he has no skills or dont know how to fit a Mega is like telling a Cat that she has no idear how to lik-groom her fur. thats so cute, im sure kayo loves you I post on the forums for MaxSuicide that makes me cool? Originally by: Dark Shikari Dragonball Z> all other anime
Mazad	Posted - 2006.04.20 23:01:00 - [81] Originally by: Toksin Originally by: Mazad The Blasterthron isn't broken. When you fit a Thron you fit a combination of blasters depending on your skills and the modules you're using. The more skills you have, the more 'high dmg' blasters you can fit. You're supposed to fit a combination of blaster types...and yes you can do good damage and tank. There's no way this guy is serious. No way. Sorry. He's got to be an alt just flaming. If he is serious.... @ you! Quoting from your bio: 2006.03.28 23:28:01 combat Your Neutron Blaster Cannon I perfectly strikes Caladai (Armageddon), wrecking for 931.4 damage. So you'd want 7 of these (or even t2 with t2 ammo) fitted with a full armor tank and t2 large drones? Who uses vanilla T1 guns for pvp anyway? No wonder you're complaining!!!
dalman	Posted - 2006.04.20 23:12:00 - [82] Edited by: dalman on 20/04/2006 23:12:56 Originally by: Mazad The Blasterthron isn't broken. When you fit a Thron you fit a combination of blasters depending on your skills and the modules you're using. The more skills you have, the more 'high dmg' blasters you can fit. You're supposed to fit a combination of blaster types...and yes you can do good damage and tank. Hi dear Mazad. Can you please help me out? Tell me which skills I need to train to be a good blastherthron pilot. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Mazad	Posted - 2006.04.20 23:14:00 - [83] Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 20/04/2006 23:12:56 Originally by: Mazad The Blasterthron isn't broken. When you fit a Thron you fit a combination of blasters depending on your skills and the modules you're using. The more skills you have, the more 'high dmg' blasters you can fit. You're supposed to fit a combination of blaster types...and yes you can do good damage and tank. Hi dear Mazad. Can you please help me out? Tell me which skills I need to train to be a good blastherthron pilot. If you have to ask, you'll never be one.
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.04.20 23:17:00 - [84] Originally by: Mazad Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 20/04/2006 23:12:56 Originally by: Mazad The Blasterthron isn't broken. When you fit a Thron you fit a combination of blasters depending on your skills and the modules you're using. The more skills you have, the more 'high dmg' blasters you can fit. You're supposed to fit a combination of blaster types...and yes you can do good damage and tank. Hi dear Mazad. Can you please help me out? Tell me which skills I need to train to be a good blastherthron pilot. If you have to ask, you'll never be one. so Itildin and Dalman arent good bt pilots geuss Dreez and Axel suck aswell I post on the forums for MaxSuicide that makes me cool? Originally by: Dark Shikari Dragonball Z> all other anime
slip66	Posted - 2006.04.20 23:27:00 - [85] Sure the blasters need a slight tweak. I still think your main problem is your trying to make the blasterthron into a solo pwn mobile that can do it all. Your asking the ship to do huge dmg, web, warp scramble, mwd and possibly tank to some degree. Isnt that asking for alittle bit too much? Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers
slip66	Posted - 2006.04.20 23:30:00 - [86] Originally by: Mazad Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 20/04/2006 23:12:56 Originally by: Mazad The Blasterthron isn't broken. When you fit a Thron you fit a combination of blasters depending on your skills and the modules you're using. The more skills you have, the more 'high dmg' blasters you can fit. You're supposed to fit a combination of blaster types...and yes you can do good damage and tank. Hi dear Mazad. Can you please help me out? Tell me which skills I need to train to be a good blastherthron pilot. If you have to ask, you'll never be one. this is pvp not pve... Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.21 01:16:00 - [87] Edited by: Gronsak on 21/04/2006 01:16:15 Originally by: slip66 Sure the blasters need a slight tweak. I still think your main problem is your trying to make the blasterthron into a solo pwn mobile that can do it all. Your asking the ship to do huge dmg, web, warp scramble, mwd and possibly tank to some degree. Isnt that asking for alittle bit too much? i understand what your trying to say, but think of this a torp raven beats a blasterthron no matter the start range! and on top of that the raven can hit upto as far as it can lock! where a BT is prety much limited to 15km and really u need to be within 10km [that means eiter nerf the raven or boost the emga] a AC tempest has the ability to fit x large reppers, 2x damage mods, 6 of its medium guns AND two large nos. on top of that its got 5 mid slots giving it a nice utility slot [extra web or scram or ew or what ever!] it is the most blasterthron like ship ingame, its got a lower sig [very important specily vs ravens] its faster, it can fit a great tank and do good damage, it can choose damage type! very easy to fit both cpu and pg wise, its guns use no cap. advantage of a BT over a tempest [its does some more damage, which can be negated somewhat by the tempest ability to chosoe dmg type] so if we have to give up all of the above for a damage increase then something is wrong a pulse gedden has the ability to hit out upto 50km with t1 ammo useing pulse so i dont know if it should be considered in the same group, but again, same DPS as a blasterthron, but with the very powerfull ability to hit upto 50km, its got les sig and its guns use less cap, its also easier to fit than a BT, able to fit 7guns + tank + decent mids so its eiter boost the mega [in a non crital game chaging kind of way, ie cap use and cpu ect] or nerf all the otehr "close range" bs. tbh i wouldnt mind seeing AC/pulse/torp launchers requirments as harsh as blasters. that too would be a way to balance things -------------------Sig----------------------- Decrease blaster CPU useage Decrease Hybrid cap useage Balance all weapon systems DO IT SOON
Kyguard	Posted - 2006.04.21 01:28:00 - [88] Yeah torp raven needs some adjustments as well. It's ridiculous that 3x Large Rep I can't tank T2 torps... freaking unbelievable. So Gronsak, try not to compare the BT to a Raven in 1v1, it's just simply wrong Any other ship is fine, but the torp Raven goes under the special category. God is on the side with the best artillery.
Toksin	Posted - 2006.04.21 02:36:00 - [89] Originally by: Mazad Edited by: Mazad on 20/04/2006 22:33:26 Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Mazad The Blasterthron isn't broken. When you fit a Thron you fit a combination of blasters depending on your skills and the modules you're using. The more skills you have, the more 'high dmg' blasters you can fit. You're supposed to fit a combination of blaster types...and yes you can do good damage and tank. Hmm... ok... so if you can barely fit a decent tank and a rack of the lightest blasters with maxed out skills, what does that make your comment? And with decent damage - I should bloody hope so since we are talking about a ship that's nowhere near fast, but still needs to get closer than a railgun-fitted frigate to do damage. But there's no point going into detail. I'd just try to repeat several hundred posts of arguments again. If you can only 'barely' fit a decent tank and the lightest blasters with maxed out skills - I would suggest you're doing something very wrong, or you don't have maxed out skills. Please give us your setup. If, as I think, you're using QuickFit to determine how good the BT is, then we'll know, and we can ignore you. If, perhaps, you have figured something out that NO OTHER BT pilot, no matter how good has, then we'll learn something. So, enlighten us. --------------- My views do not reflect the views of my corp, or my own views.
genes	Posted - 2006.04.21 11:48:00 - [90] Geddon with mega pulse II and multifreq use more cap/s then a mega with neutron IIs and antimatter, and thats with maxed out skills. Why are you saying it doesnt?

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