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YamiFreighter Phoenix Paragon Silent Requiem 0	Posted - 2014.03.02 09:12:00 - [1] - Quote Teircide has done some weird and wonderful things to ships more recently my Paladin became a powerhouse tank for level 4s. Have the devs announced anything about what they are doing to black ops ships? Mainly because I want them to do the same thing to the redeemer that they did to the Armageddon. That is make a Energy neutralizer version of the widow Please post link here if they have.
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2825	Posted - 2014.03.02 09:18:00 - [2] - Quote No news as far as I know. Oh god.
Grainsalt While in Empire Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 179	Posted - 2014.03.02 13:00:00 - [3] - Quote It would completely change the black ops class. But I hope they change them into "super-bombers" with capital class weaponry. Death to all supers?
YamiFreighter Phoenix Paragon Silent Requiem 0	Posted - 2014.03.02 13:37:00 - [4] - Quote Grainsalt wrote: It would completely change the black ops class. But I hope they change them into "super-bombers" with capital class weaponry. Death to all supers? I like this idea too :D
raider womb Posh Pod Poppers 7	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:15:00 - [5] - Quote A bigger version of stealth bomber sounds nice - but why replace if you can add.
Willmahh 4	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:28:00 - [6] - Quote i think Black ops battleships are fine how they are. Only thing i'd like to see is to let them jump themselves without needing a cyno lit, but still need one to move fleets. Make them a true first in/last out covert weapon.
crazy0146 Boris Johnson's Love Children Awakened. 58	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:49:00 - [7] - Quote Willmahh wrote: i think Black ops battleships are fine how they are. Only thing i'd like to see is to let them jump themselves without needing a cyno lit, but still need one to move fleets. Make them a true first in/last out covert weapon. But how would they jump if they don't have something to jump to?
Axl Thorn Brothers ln Arms 0	Posted - 2014.03.03 00:55:00 - [8] - Quote crazy0146 wrote: Willmahh wrote: i think Black ops battleships are fine how they are. Only thing i'd like to see is to let them jump themselves without needing a cyno lit, but still need one to move fleets. Make them a true first in/last out covert weapon. But how would they jump if they don't have something to jump to? Just make them able to lock on to any Sun or planet and they appear within a certain distance of it. Would be cool.
Hatsumi Kobayashi Origin. Black Legion. 442	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:30:00 - [9] - Quote Make Jump Portal Generation apply to Black Ops so that they don't go through fuel that quickly when bridging people. Also would give people a reason to train the skill further than lvl1. No sig.
Oxide Ammar 78	Posted - 2014.03.03 05:44:00 - [10] - Quote raider womb wrote: A bigger version of stealth bomber sounds nice - but why replace if you can add. If ever CCP introduced bigger stealth bombers hull sizes, I would like them to be cruisers.
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension 867	Posted - 2014.03.03 05:51:00 - [11] - Quote Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote: Make Jump Portal Generation apply to Black Ops so that they don't go through fuel that quickly when bridging people. Also would give people a reason to train the skill further than lvl1. I'd rather use stront than topes that is for sure.
YamiFreighter Phoenix Paragon Silent Requiem 0	Posted - 2014.03.03 08:42:00 - [12] - Quote Well regardless of what they intend to do with them, I would really like some info about what is going on. About the capital sized guns idea. I think that would just put too much emphasis on having a dual web dual TP rapier in the fleet too essential, The ability to be viable bombers against capital ships seems like a good idea though. I have played with another idea that black ops can fit a module that acts like a scripted point of the heavy dictor, but also applies a web effect, the downside to such a mod would be that it prevents movement just like a cyno and disables all highslot modules. This would put them in a niche of their own and make them a viable, if VERY expensive fleet ship. EDIT: really bad spelling
YamiFreighter Phoenix Paragon Silent Requiem 0	Posted - 2014.03.03 08:44:00 - [13] - Quote YamiFreighter wrote: Well regardless of what they intend to do with them, I would really like some info about what is going on. About the capital sized guns idea. I think that would just put too much emphasis on having a dual web dual TP rapier in the fleet too essential, The ability to be viable bombers against capital ships seems like a good idea though. I have played with another idea that black ops can fit a module that acts like a scripted point of the heavy dictor, but also applies a web effect, the downside to such a mod would be that it prevents movement just like a cyno and disables all highslot modules, and costs stront. This would put them in a niche of their own and make them a viable, if VERY expensive fleet ship. EDIT: really bad spelling
Ralph King-Griffin Var Foundation inc. 330	Posted - 2014.03.03 11:05:00 - [14] - Quote Yitburn(apologize for name butchery ) has said they wanted to split the blackops line into support( bridging) and combat roles as at the moment they do neither particularly well as Farr as ccp can see, he said something like them benefiting from focusing their roles a bit. I'm not looking for the link cos I think it's burried in the marauder rebalancing threadnought somewhere ( or something els from around then I think) Bear in mind though that was anecdotal and months ago so they might be doing something els with them now If in doubt...do...excessively.
Batelle HOMELE55 2033	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:22:00 - [15] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Yitburn(apologize for name butchery ) has said they wanted to split the blackops line into support( bridging) and combat roles as at the moment they do neither particularly well as Farr as ccp can see, he said something like them benefiting from focusing their roles a bit. Where did he say this? "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Ralph King-Griffin Var Foundation inc. 330	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:07:00 - [16] - Quote Can't remember exactly, I may well be mistaken but I think in the marauders threadnought somewhere , it was around that time that I read it so that might be confusing me a bit . If in doubt...do...excessively.
Soldarius Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore 567	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:58:00 - [17] - Quote Splitting blops into 2 distinct roles (bridging and combat) was mentioned, though I too cba to go find it. I would not support using stront for blops bridging fuel because Strontium Clathrates require 3m3 per unit, whereas isotopes require only .15m3 per unit. You would be reducing your available fuel load by a factor of 20. Clearly this would be a bad idea. But all this talk of fuel types and volume is moot, since it is isotopes that are consumed to actually bridge a ship, and the Jump Portal Generation skill only reduces the amount of fuel consumed to activate the portal, not to ships bridged through the portal. Fuel consumed to bridge ships is governed by the Jump Fuel Conservation skill. However, the skill, or perceived lack thereof, is not the cause of the fuel consumption problem. Both portal types have a hidden attribute, module fuel consumption factor (or some such) that governs how much fuel is consumed to bridge a given mass over a certain distance. A better option would be to reduce the module fuel consumption factor for covert portals to a much lower level, similar to that of a titan bridge. Currently, covert portals use 135x more fuel than titan bridges because of this. Prior to the blops buff last year it was 180x. http://www.ninveah.com/2009/09/eve-master-class-jump-portals.html The article above is a bit dated. But it is one of the most comprehensive and accurate blops portal articles I've ever seen. The current mass consumption factor of covert portals is 1.35x10^-7 isotopes. It used to be 1.8x10^-7. In contrast a Jump Portal Generator (titan bridge) is 1x10^-9. Free Ripley Weaver!
Batelle HOMELE55 2034	Posted - 2014.03.03 17:12:00 - [18] - Quote The downside of splitting those roles is that it would necessarily make bridging more powerful than it already is. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Hatsumi Kobayashi Origin. Black Legion. 444	Posted - 2014.03.03 22:28:00 - [19] - Quote Soldarius wrote: Smart words and cool links Good stuff. See I didn't know about the activation vs bridging thing or the hidden attribute, but the point remains that despite this buff (or unnerf, i guess) to the isotope per kg requirement it's still not enough. If you run a Black Ops fleet where you bridge people around you have to have a fuel truck with you. Technically this is cool, it forces some strategic planning and all that kind of stuff, but the fuel truck is either an alt that does nothing but follow the fleet, or a player that does nothing but follow the fleet. Suffice to say it's not very involving! I think reducing the factor to 1.2010^-7 (roughly half of what it is now) would be probably be enough. Also yeah no, despite my reference to the Jump Portal Generation skill earlier ITT no way in hell would I support using stront for anything on Black Ops, isotopes are enough of a pain already. I was rather suggesting that there be a further way to reduce the usage of isotopes when bridging people, but simply tweaking the attribute would probably do the job instead. All in all it's really the fuel aspect that remains an issue IMO, aside from some small fitting issues here and there the class and the ships themselves are actually in a pretty decent position. They don't need more tank or firepower, they really really don't need a covert ops cloak and their jump range is fine - I mean I'd support more jump range for sure, but I don't think it's needed for the class to thrive. No sig.*
Saab Kado Boob Heads Black Legion. 19	Posted - 2014.03.04 09:42:00 - [20] - Quote Willmahh wrote: i think Black ops battleships are fine how they are. Only thing i'd like to see is to let them jump themselves without needing a cyno lit, but still need one to move fleets. Make them a true first in/last out covert weapon. I would like this too, but to be balanced, jumping to a celestial instead of regular or covert cyno should dramaticaly increase your Fuel consumption. BLOPS must not become the perfectly safe manner to travel nearly instantly trought entire region.

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