What's the big difference? Do goons get special missions or PvE?

~Anoms 13-15 with a HAC or T3, 22-30 with a pimped pirate hull or carrier

~data and relics are all over the map depends on how many you find and whats in them, I've made 400mil in a couple hours and I've made 15 min an hour

~combat explorating same, PLUS the added aggravation of chasing excalations over literally three regions

Independent mining with a new character, or "ninja-mining" in hostile space -> 20-35mil/Hr
Mining with a fully-skilled character and support fleet (boosts etc) -> 45mil/hr
Belt ratting with a meta BC setup; belt ratting with a maxed out BS setup -> 12-15 per ticket x3
Anomalies (different incomes from different anomalies); are sanctums still everyone's favorite? 60-300m/hr
Data/Relic site exploration? 40-50m/Hr
Combat site exploration? How common are escalations and finding extremely valuable loot? 1-2 Per day 1-2b Per day
Industry? Shipping in stuff vs. local manufacturing? Same as highsec.

19-21 ishtar for me (gurista). Can average 26m with a domi alternating forlorn hub and forsaken rally point. Best tick (no faction spawns), 29m, worst ticks down around 22m if you get jammed in the jamming spawn in the forlorn hub. Note that is in the worst possible band of nullsec. presuming it works in the sanctum (it should if it can tank the forlorn hub), it should be pretty close on 28-29m ticks.

I think the pro's just scan and leave looking for tower bpcs. I clear my system of them when they are up, and they at worst seem to do ~10m for 15 minutes (bad data spawn). Most of the time the sites themselves are much, much better than that.

I ignore most unrateds, and so do the russian gypsies coming through to steal mah content. They also ignore FSPs which is pretty telling.

Thanks, dude! That's exactly what I was looking for. Sounds like the biggest, easiest income is from relic sites. How's their spawn rate?

What is with you people. I am not asking to nerf hisec. If you must know, I was looking to compare it to FW incomes to determine how big the gap is and in what direction it goes at various skill levels. Paranoid people chestbeating about nerfing hisec/nullsec is the cancer that's killing the Eve-O forums. Way to go.

What is with you people. I am not asking to nerf hisec. If you must know, I was looking to compare it to FW incomes to determine how big the gap is and in what direction it goes at various skill levels. Paranoid people chestbeating about nerfing hisec/nullsec is the cancer that's killing the Eve-O forums. Way to go.

Please, for the sake of all that is good in the world, not another thread about income levels.
Can we stop with the propaganda wars for a couple weeks?

What's the big difference? Do goons get special missions or PvE?

This thread has me more interested in exploration. Would some one be so kind to give me a simple what's what etc. What are the skills needed and the suggest lvl. Type of ship and general equipment needed. And if you so feel inclinded a simple process over view.example.

I've yet to see a tower, but there are some tasty skill books that drop

300 mil booster books most certainly are tastey.

hmm yes, and where do those drop? Not the same places where tower bpcs drop.

Indeed a CCP dev said in the ESS F&I thread that money was being created like crazy in null and that this was of concern as they were worried about inflation, hence the ESS module was developed to counter this..

all I know is that Highsec has been over nerfed income wise for years which is why in recent years there have been buffs to high sec such as the Noctis and now the MTU deployable both of which allow mission runners to make money faster when deployed in highsec.

Meanwhile Null gets the 5% nerf and the ESS (both of which I do not approve of).

Indeed a CCP dev said in the ESS F&I thread that money was being created like crazy in null and that this was of concern as they were worried about inflation, hence the ESS module was developed to counter this.

Now CCP are in the position of having access to all of the numbers plus they have economists on their staff so we've got to take it on face value that they know what they are doing with regards to the economy.

Just adapt and roll with the changes, you have no other choice.

Please, for the sake of all that is good in the world, not another thread about income levels.
Can we stop with the propaganda wars for a couple weeks?

CCP has the numbers, so the forum wars are pointless.
But if you do want to get into it, consider this: the failed lawyer in his last message to his minions was exhorting every member of goons to get into a Titan, or failing that, a supercap. Guess they don't seem to have a problem with income.

The crazy money is being made by 23/7 renters/botters and their feudal overlords (how else do they pay that extortionate rent each month?)

For the normal evening player who logs in to do sometimes bearing, sometimes pvp, not so much, and ends up begging 600mil for a plex at the end of the month.

In real world style the little guy player, who wasn't causing the problem in the first place, gets hardest hit by the ESS/5% reduction, while the mega faucet fat cats barely notice a change.

Maybe CCP could break that data down by region, that would be interesting for sure.

I think there's a lot of misinformation (disinformation?) around what those evil mean nullseccers get by puppeteering CCP, so let's set it straight.

DINSDALE! I haven't heard your tinfoil hat rustling in a while, missed ya! :P

Not much to say these days.
The GD threads are the typical "high sec too rich, kill high sec" crap that is just so tiring to read.
Or other fairly meaningless threads.

Typically CCP starts announcing the next set of changes associated with the summer release in the next week or so.
We will see what damage is done to high sec with that set, and then I am sure there will be all kinds of threads sprouting up.

hmm yes, and where do those drop? Not the same places where tower bpcs drop.

Exploration can be so random at times I'm amazed when people consider it as a means of ISK income.

Sometimes you leave a site feeling like you got forced at gunpoint to suck a lemon, other times you feel like CCP is Santa Claus.

In 8 years I have had two officer spawns

At least you have had two. Zero officer spawns crew checking in.

I wonder how many officer spawns occur in Eve on a daily basis.
I guess someone might be able to do some wildly inaccurate extrapolations based on killmails and movement in major hubs, but I wonder how horrible it would be if CCP just did a quick SQL serach, and said, "last year, there were X Officer's killed".