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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2006.04.20 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 20/04/2006 12:45:25 This is a post that requires you to consider RP sensibilities, so keep that in mind.
Ok, so we know - by just looking at the ships - that Caldari are the masters of EW, basically through a few very solid EW platform ships. Yeah sure, these days every race have a few ships which utulize some form of EW.
When you choose a character/bloodline for yourself, the skills that they have ought to imply something. For example, Gallente get drones (hence, Gallente must be good at using drones) and Civire get missiles (hence, Civire/Caldari must be good at using missiles). For sure, we also know that the actual effect is quickly forgotten, because it's just a dot or two in skills that's is the actual difference. Nevertheless, like I stated at the beginning, this is about the RP aspect of it all, and it really should be an indicator.
Now, how about the Intaki then? We get electronic warfare for our dot (contrarily, the Caldari don't). The implication is there, but there isn't anything to support it. Mind you, strictly considering the electronic warfare skill implies the use of ECM. Now, I know you could say that a single bloodline doesn't/shouldn't dictate how a races' ships are, but you'd be wrong. Civire and missiles are part of the Caldari equation and it's been made that way for a reason.
So, where are our (Intaki) EW ships? Wa wa wa wa! I want 'em!
[Edit - oh, how about a Syndicate faction ship along these lines at least?]
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4 LOM
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Posted - 2006.04.20 14:13:00 -
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Maybe the intaki just fly caldari EW ships? nothing better then using your enemy's ships against them, right? Its RP you can think of a reason to make it work... come on i know you can.
On a side not this is why RPing is silly, just train for a blackbird who cares what race it is, silly rpers (no offence
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Garreck
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Posted - 2006.04.20 14:18:00 -
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Inconsistencies with prime fiction and in-game realities are something all the roleplayers have to deal with, unfortunately. The infamous agility of caldari ships, for instance.
If you like damps, the celestis is nifty, as are the recon cruisers. And the scrambling range of the recon cruisers is even more nifty (it could be argued that warp scrambling is a form of electronic warfare, I suppose.)
At any rate, givin' the thread some much needed love as requested
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Varis
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Posted - 2006.04.20 14:50:00 -
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Actually, identifying some race specific ships would be awesome.
eg, we have a few "khanid ships" now, how about some specific intaki ships, or deitis ships etc?
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.04.20 14:56:00 -
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those ships though are made by those corporations, which is where instead of grtting a dietis ship or civire, you got Lai Dai and kaalaktoa or however you spell that one, and so on. Keep profanity & moderation discussion out of your sig, please. --Jorauk ISD USE HAX AND SPLOITS |
GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2006.04.20 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 20/04/2006 16:30:50 Okay,
Let me rephrase myself since y'all ain't really getting it (but at the same time, this topic doesn't fit quite so well into this forum): what's up with Intaki having Electronic Warfare as a starting skill?
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.04.20 16:47:00 -
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It's Kaalakiota, and I think we should make misspelling it a capital offense in the State.
Regarding the topic, I agree there should be some kind of Syndicate faction ships that specialize in EW. Other than that, you've already got the Maulus, Celestis, Arazu, and Lachesis, so you're not COMPLETELY without EW specialists. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Hon Kovell
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Posted - 2006.04.21 04:20:00 -
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When did the Caldari get so heavily into EW? Back in the day, they were small fighter ship specialists and the Gallente flew massive hulks. The Gallente obviously adjusted to that and now have small hulks propelled at great speed by MWD. Why the Caldari changed to EW is less clear.
You probably see where I'm going with this. The Intaki are the EW experts. When some of their forces joined the Caldari they taught them EW. Even though the Caldari then turned on their Intaki saviours they kept using EW in place of the small fighter ships they used to favour (and their ships began to handle more like the old Gallente hulks). Large EW ships are less skill intensive relative to pilots lost than fighter squadrons. That would have been an important consideration in getting their military numbers up after the losses during their rebellion
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Sable Moran
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Posted - 2006.04.21 09:36:00 -
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Once upon a time in ancient eve history EW modules were high slot items and Gallente were the EW race. Hence the Intaki starting skills.
I can't remember when exactly the EW mods were changed to be mid slots items but it was before the game went live in May '03.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.04.21 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Hon Kovell <..>
Nah, Caldari became EW race when CCP a month or so after release decided that EWar in high slot was stupid and made it medium slot. Suddenly Caldari ships had the advantage considering they were the only race with more than 5 mid slots. Wasn't done with any ceremony or such, either.
Scorpion, by the way, initially had +5% RAILGUN optimal range and +5% Shield Capacity.
Also, Dominix had +5% BLASTER damage and +500 metrics (think that's the amount) drone bay. This was back when large drones took 250 metrics. And yes, the Dominix WAS the absolutely WORST battleship out there.
Speaking of nostalgia, this was also back in the days when the Typhoon was really good and lasers pretty crap. Also, every Apoc with know-how flew around with 1400mms rather than lasers :p
Later they also "fixed" Caldari ships to become a lot less agile, considering they had so many advantages already speaking for them. Anyone remember the silly speed-BBs?
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.04.21 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin Anyone remember the silly speed-BBs?
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2006.04.21 10:40:00 -
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Sable Moran & Ithildin,
All right, that's the missing tid-bit (high slot EW) I didn't have. The flavor of month changes don't just annoy players as things are shifting, but they also mess with the PF, like in this case (and the slick and agile Caldari ships, for another).
Hon Kovell,
Considering the change leaving a strange hole in PF/Intaki background, it would be an interesting note of IC history if the Intaki did indeed give Caldari their EW. As things stand, the Intaki getting the EW skill doesn't make much sense.
Thanks people for figuring that one out.
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Crystal Kali
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Posted - 2006.04.21 11:39:00 -
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More internal inconsistencies and only half-implemented role swaps
Electronics & EW for Intaki characters - do sensor dampeners require the EW skill or is there really little correlation between the Intaki starting direction and the rest of their Empire faction?
Syndicate EW ship would be grand though
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:23:00 -
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Regardless of EW, I'd love to see Syndicate ships available anyway.
Maybe we can write something about an Intaki electronics engineer who pushed hard for the Caldari Navy to meld his research team's EW equipment with the already electronics-intensive Caldari ships? -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Jalia Kovac
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Posted - 2006.05.02 17:18:00 -
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Some of the (apparent) original designs for Syndicate ships seem to have been incorporated into regular T2 variants.
Intaki Velator
Intaki Navitas
Intaki Incursus (clearly not the Ishkur)
Intaki Imicus
Intaki Atron (clearly not the Taranis)
Intaki Maulus (--> Helios)
Intaki Tristan (clearly not the Nemesis)
Intaki Exequror
Intaki Celestis (differs from the Arazu)
Intaki Vexor (--> Ishtar)
Intaki Thorax (not any known Thorax variant)
Were these all legitimate variants at some time or even just prototypes?
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.05.02 17:45:00 -
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Jalia, all those ships have a deeper green than the Ishkur-series ships. I so like the pink ships, though. If you look up the model and skin for the *old* Nemisis model, for instance. Or the red Thorax (what's it's name again?) New sig coming soonÖ Drone musing (MC-boards) |
Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.05.02 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/05/2006 17:49:37
Originally by: Jalia Kovac Some of the (apparent) original designs for Syndicate ships seem to have been incorporated into regular T2 variants.
Intaki Velator
Intaki Navitas
Intaki Incursus (clearly not the Ishkur)
Intaki Imicus
Intaki Atron (clearly not the Taranis)
Intaki Maulus (--> Helios)
Intaki Tristan (clearly not the Nemesis)
Intaki Exequror
Intaki Celestis (differs from the Arazu)
Intaki Vexor (--> Ishtar)
Intaki Thorax (not any known Thorax variant)
Were these all legitimate variants at some time or even just prototypes?
Prototypes, the game contains skins for just about every faction ingame such as the Intaki, Mordus, the 3 amarr houses, the Khanid and a bunch of other things. These are only used in t2 ships for now (The Helios, Ishtar as you mentioned are Intaki skin based)
For Gallente we have 'Blood' Skins (Redish skins; Enyo, Ares, etc), 'Crisp' (Black Serpentis skins, not sure if used by t2 atm, possibly the Arazu), 'Intaki' (Greenish skins) and another one, dont remember what name it had in the game files, could be navy but id have to check, these are somewhat blueish/light green. -------
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.05.02 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (Black Serpentis skins, not sure if used by t2 atm, possibly the Arazu)
Deimos.
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Dimitri Tanan
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Posted - 2006.05.02 18:04:00 -
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I think the point the OP is trying to make is that the EW skill only works for JAMMERS. Damps use the Sensor Linking skill, and all our ships have damp bonuses. So why are we starting off with a skill we don't directly use? That's like giving Amarr ships a bonus to projectiles or hybrids and not lasers.
I fell victim to this when I first started. I trained EW to level 4 until I learned I got no bonuses to any EW on my ships. Then I switched to damps. It's not TOO bad, since I use both depending on the situation, so I'm glad I have both to lvl 4. If you're a EW character, you need both anyway.
Still, that's the point the OP is trying to make I think. And he's very correct.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.05.02 18:08:00 -
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well if ew was high slot before its all fitts really.
gallente which are the mother of ew in the early days has a lot of high slots right which makes them more suitable for ew, but caldari which copied the ew from gallente wasnt as suitable as the gallente, but caldari had more cpu to compensate making better with ew, even tho its gallente that used them first..
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.05.02 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin Jalia, all those ships have a deeper green than the Ishkur-series ships. I so like the pink ships, though. If you look up the model and skin for the *old* Nemisis model, for instance. Or the red Thorax (what's it's name again?)
That would be the Phoebos (spelling) i think. It looked oh so creamy.
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Tek'a Rain
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Posted - 2006.05.21 05:57:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=125091&page=2
fits with the greater detail of Ida (from Vremaja Idama's speech) in a way.
EW is combat without killing (in a perfect world) you remove your opponents ability to do you harm without hurting them. kinda a roundabout way for PF and ingame details to come all the way back together though
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CherniyVolk
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Posted - 2006.05.21 06:49:00 -
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Edited by: CherniyVolk on 21/05/2006 06:50:33
Originally by: 4 LOM Maybe the intaki just fly caldari EW ships? nothing better then using your enemy's ships against them, right? Its RP you can think of a reason to make it work... come on i know you can.
NO! I will refuse to step foot aboard a smelly Caldari ship!
As a handsome and superior Intaki!!!! (ducks)
I demand that we are IMMUNE to EW! Yes, no target jamming of anykind can be done to Intaki, becuase they get nice racial bennies towards signal strength et al. I hate it when some Caldari ship jams me, it's like an I-WIN button, not to mention the grotesquely unfair characteristics of Missiles having no range consequence, always cause damage regardless, no tracking or anything of that nature.
Down with EW!
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Hon Kovell
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Posted - 2006.05.21 07:16:00 -
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I'm with you there, Cherni. Intaki use Intaki ships, not Caldari! We didn't design the Federation fleet for other people to play with. (What, you think a Gallente would take time away from their party to design a ship?)
Our ship designs fit with our philosophy about the cycle of life. That's why their looks all relate to reproduction in some way. The Dominix and Vexor are excellent examples. They both look embryonic and are reborn when their drones emerge.
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Murehk
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Posted - 2006.05.21 09:15:00 -
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Can I just say that Intaki's have good reasons to fly Caldari ships such as other Intaki's in Mordos legion and the syndicate supplying them with ships.
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