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M00dy
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Posted - 2006.04.20 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 31/08/2004 00:40:56
The only things I would like to comment on here are those aspects of the original report that falsely represent my actions and involvement:
(Whether these falsehoods were included in the original BDCI/Sharks report or have been added by the mysterious ms R0tt3n I do not care to speculate at this time).
Quote: On Monday the 2nd of August, Seleene was contacted by Jade Constantine and accused of everything from RL global warming to openly supporting the Phoenix Alliance.
Seleene was contacted and was warned that this action would likely compromise BDCI assumed political "neutrality" due to the involvement of the previously PA-friendly Sharks. (The reasons for the "PA-friendly" tag for Sharks have been extensively discussed privately since and suffice to say there was more than adaquate reason for the assumption at the time of my conversation with Seleene and BDCI)
Quote: Explaining that the job had no personal motivation for BDCI or Sharks took a lot of effort and time (bonus pay for dealing with Jade??) eventually leading to a BDCI/Sharks Statement of Intent on the NCA forums.
It was indeed a very long discussion. Seleene certainly wanted to claim the "its just business" line, while I was extremely distrustful of the Sharks political motivations given their CEO's personal animosity to all things NCA and Jericho. (Another stumbling block being the seeming inability of Seleene to understand that an attack on an ally would trigger support from that ally's friends as a matter of course regardless of the personalities involved.)
Quote: Jade threatened war against both of our corps if we did not stop keeping EVĘs forced tied up. After careful consideration, about eight seconds worth, Seleene and Charity Regard informed Ms. Constantine what she could do with her threats
At no time did Charity Regard open conversation or communication with me over this matter.
And rather than blustering dismissively as is presented here, both BDCI and Sharks personnel worked extremely hard to avoid further confrontation with NCA corporations, citing the belief that we were being "unreasonable" to threaten them with wardecs to defend our friends over this essentially limited engagement.
Seleene told me personally that BDCI and Sharks were both small and elusive corporations with unsociable activity hours that would simply melt into void and be impossible to find if several NCA corporations were to return reciprical war declarations in payment for their aggression against Everlasting Vendetta.
I took her point and concluded that yes, it would probably be pointless for us to spend much effort doing so.
Seleene in turn assured me that it was a limited duration contract that would soon be over in any case and wasn't anything that we should be worried about.
Rather than threatening us with "no mercy" escalation of hostilities or some such, the position was that Seleene/BDCI/Sharks really did not want to fight anyone other than EV and felt it would limit their "fun" and prospects in the event of a broadening of hostilties.
The biggest "threat" I received was that BDCI and Sharks were empire only and could disappear and never be found if faced with superior odds.
So.
Obviously Seleene and BDCI/Sharks are entirely free to dream up any kind of rhetorical spiel for their clients to boost their payment-potential and that is something of a given neccessity in the merc profession that seasoned CEOs learn to deal with. But equally obviously (as in this case) when the said rhetorical spiel becomes public due to disclosure from ethically-challenged clients, mercs need to appreciate that those named in the "confidential" reports will take the chance to put their side.
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Now I have no desire for a lengthy series of angry discussions over this matter, suffice to say; I have presented the truth as may be demonstrated by communication logs and records if my word is challenged by BDCI or Sharks personnel on these specific items, but since I have no wish to further embarrass the principles, I can leave this statement as my final word if they are willing to accept the minor rebuke against the over-inflated assessment of their rhetorical achievements in private negotiations as presented to their client.
In future I would advise BDCI/Sharks to avoid personal slurs and boasts in their damage-assessments and stick to the facts. The fact that these documents can come out means that a professional organisation must act professionally even in private documents and client communications. Lots of love
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FowlPlayChiken
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Posted - 2006.04.21 02:59:00 -
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wait...what? o.0
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler |
Avernus
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Posted - 2006.04.21 03:02:00 -
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I only have one thought from reading this.....
Can Jade post again????
Ex-JCoS, Ex-Diplomat, Ex-Councilor, Ex-CEO (posts no longer represent Firmus Ixion) |
Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2006.04.21 03:05:00 -
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I want five minutes of my life back.
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2006.04.21 03:06:00 -
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Jericho Fraction would quite like to know why this was moved from the forum experiments section.
What's the point?
Cosmo
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2006.04.21 04:50:00 -
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How is quoting a year and half old thread with a new thread different then forum necromancy?
Dont move it mod, lock it. _______________________________________________ Deadspace For Dead space!
Originally by: Oveur
To the nerfmobile!
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Baun
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Posted - 2006.04.21 04:55:00 -
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This was actually moved here? or is that just a joke.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.04.21 05:14:00 -
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Okaaaaaay.... that's strange. Ummm... am I supposed to flame someone now? -
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Baun
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Posted - 2006.04.21 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene Okaaaaaay.... that's strange. Ummm... am I supposed to flame someone now?
Isn't that why this forum is here?
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Dust Angel
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Posted - 2006.04.21 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Avernus I only have one thought from reading this.....
Can Jade post again????
_____________________________________ Stressed out with empire politics?
Sansha's Nation helps clear your mind.
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Grand Mal
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Posted - 2006.04.21 10:17:00 -
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I I was a guessing man, I'd say the author was experimenting with quotes and it was moved to the corp discussion?
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Sivona
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Posted - 2006.04.21 10:27:00 -
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Isn't this history? Really whats the point i dont get it :/
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.04.21 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Foomanshoe How is quoting a year and half old thread with a new thread different then forum necromancy?
Dont move it mod, lock it.
Are your surprised considering the mods these days?
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2006.04.21 10:30:00 -
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is this a bob thread?
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.04.21 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Luc Boye is this a bob thread?
Most threads here are what people make of them. -
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.04.21 10:45:00 -
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I think they give those banned guys another chance. Surely after all this time ppl like Jade and Max have learned their lesson?
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.04.21 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra I think they give those banned guys another chance. Surely after all this time ppl like Jade and Max have learned their lesson?
Not allowed to discuss moderation or peoples bans
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.04.21 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: Shin Ra I think they give those banned guys another chance. Surely after all this time ppl like Jade and Max have learned their lesson?
Not allowed to discuss moderation or peoples bans
I'm reporting both of you. -
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.04.21 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: Shin Ra I think they give those banned guys another chance. Surely after all this time ppl like Jade and Max have learned their lesson?
Not allowed to discuss moderation or peoples bans
I'm reporting both of you.
well i'm reporting you for reporting me and for not reporting yourself for reporting me.
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Chaotic Beauty
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Posted - 2006.04.21 11:09:00 -
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So, what's BoB up to nowadays?
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2006.04.21 11:12:00 -
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Hi - I appear to be lost. Could someone direct me to the nearest cheese shop? ____________________________________________
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.04.21 11:14:00 -
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/Trax points towards Seleene
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.04.21 11:40:00 -
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Well, since we are all sharing... I like cats. I also like waffles. Just to be clear tho, I don't like cat on waffles.
P.S. - I am seriously starting to wonder if a Mod drank too much cough syrup last night or something...
P.S.S. - I really want to get out of this office so I can shoot something. In the game. Not real life. Stop looking at me like that. -
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Hast
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Posted - 2006.04.21 11:41:00 -
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I'm banning all of you!
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General Hansen
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Posted - 2006.04.21 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Hast I'm banning all of you!
I would center my sig but I is cooler than you
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2006.04.21 11:43:00 -
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I believe Michael Jackson named a song after this thread
Guess which? ---------------
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2006.04.21 11:51:00 -
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I miss jade
" Stay Frosty "
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MickeyFinn
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Posted - 2006.04.21 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Amthrianius
Originally by: MickeyFinn Was it "Keep it in the closet?"
It's good but its not the one!
Say what you see!
rofl
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Hast
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Posted - 2006.04.21 12:00:00 -
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Seleene: me posting in the agents forum is a lie and you know it
gimme proof or say your sorry
P.S. I cant ever remember posting there, maybe it was one of my posting spree's
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2006.04.21 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hast Seleene: me posting in the agents forum is a lie and you know it
gimme proof or say your sorry
P.S. I cant ever remember posting there, maybe it was one of my posting spree's
Originally by: Hast on Agents Forum HELP with lvl 2 Missions
Hi,
I recently did a lvl 2 mission in my raven, i had to go against 1 cruiser and 2 frigs, i lost my raven. I got my 5 friends to help and we lost 2 domi's but killed the spawn eventually and all we got was 30k isk and 100 units of carbon.
Please CCP FIX the missions
RISK/REWARD
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Hast
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Posted - 2006.04.21 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Amthrianius
Originally by: Hast Seleene: me posting in the agents forum is a lie and you know it
gimme proof or say your sorry
P.S. I cant ever remember posting there, maybe it was one of my posting spree's
Originally by: Hast on Agents Forum HELP with lvl 2 Missions
Hi,
I recently did a lvl 2 mission in my raven, i had to go against 1 cruiser and 2 frigs, i lost my raven. I got my 5 friends to help and we lost 2 domi's but killed the spawn eventually and all we got was 30k isk and 100 units of carbon.
Please CCP FIX the missions
RISK/REWARD
Oh well, theres DICE nublars for you
I cheat in poker |
Plim
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Posted - 2006.04.21 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Avernus I only have one thought from reading this.....
Can Jade post again????
That would make me throw up blood. -----------------
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Jorauk
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Posted - 2006.04.21 16:46:00 -
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Locked for quoting an old post to make a new one.
*Click*
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