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The Sinister
Eve Minions
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:23:00 -
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Ok here is the deal:
Imagine if you could somehow get Skill Points to relocate from your own Skills.
Lets say i have a skill I trained in the past and I think it was a waste of time because i currently dont use it for anything.
For Example:
Tolocan Technology Skill to Level 5 (wich is 1,280,000 Skill Points if Im not mistaken)
I Click the Option: Reverse Skill Points to Lvl 4
Now i have Tolocan Technology Lvl 4 and 1,053,725 Skill Points to relocate in any other skill i think is of more importance.
(Note: You can only do this Process once every 24 hours.)
Also you can not unlearn the skill completely, Lvl 1 of the skill you are downgrading will always remain. |
The Sinister
Eve Minions
48
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:26:00 -
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Sinister takes out a TinFoil Hat and put it on and holds on to it LMAO.....
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Seliah
0mega.
48
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:27:00 -
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-1.
Not being able to reallocate skillpoints makes you think more about your choices, gives you a greater sense of achievement when you finish training something and makes you regret your bad decisions. It also makes it harder for a group of pilots to shift their specialization from one type of fleet to another.
I would hate to see such a thing implemented into the game. Everybody with enough SP would become able to do pretty much anything if they decide to reallocate their SP. It's no fun. And no amount of ISK fee or time limitation will change that imo. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
237
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:29:00 -
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Hasn't this been suggested before many times? You make your choices and take your chances... |
The Sinister
Eve Minions
48
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:32:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Hasn't this been suggested before many times? You make your choices and take your chances...
And it will be keep on coming up in the future because it is a verry good Idea. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
451
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:34:00 -
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This sort of thing has been suggested before, it was not popular then I doubt it will be so now.
In order to reduce the amount of your and our time wasted please learn how to search the forums.
Not supported.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Ellendras Silver
My second corp
129
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:35:00 -
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i like the idea tho it isn't new. there are a view problems to make it workable.
- you should not get the exact amount to relocate but something like 50% maybe 60% definitely not 100% because people can then bypass it to train every skill with perfect remaps as in remap for Perception/Willpower and train a skill they don't want train it to 5 then down it back to 1 and use the points to train something with Intelligence/Memory
- you can now also remove skills that are needed as a prerequisite to inject a book but lower it afterwards, this is hard to fix as the changes in carriers make it possible that people don't meet the prerequisite to train carriers but have the skill trained because CCP changed prerequisite
FIX FORUMS |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
237
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:36:00 -
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I disagree, you choose where to train - the consequence is the skill progressed. It's up to you to then make use of it. If you choose not to then it is again your choice. This idea would mean basically no planning required to develop a character as you would get to x million SP then just migrate them to your next profession of choice when the mood takes you. |
big miker
Viperfleet Inc.
Disavowed.
65
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:36:00 -
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If this would perhaps get implemented which I do not think will happen, atleast give it some sort of penalty.
Let's say it costs 50 % of the amount of SP you want to relocate.
Example, if you relocate 500k SP it'll cost you 250k SP of that entire pool. This way it cannot be exploited at all and there is some sort of 'risk' involved. |
The Sinister
Eve Minions
48
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:39:00 -
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The Sinister wrote:Ok here is the deal:
Imagine if you could somehow get Skill Points to relocate from your own Skills.
Lets say i have a skill I trained in the past and I think it was a waste of time because i currently dont use it for anything.
For Example:
Tolocan Technology Skill to Level 5 (wich is 1,280,000 Skill Points if Im not mistaken)
I Click the Option: Reverse Skill Points to Lvl 4
Now i have Tolocan Technology Lvl 4 and 1,053,725 Skill Points to relocate in any other skill i think is of more importance.
(Note: You can only do this Process once every 24 hours.)
Also you can not unlearn the skill completely, Lvl 1 of the skill you are downgrading will always remain.
Ok we are adding a -50% penalty. So instead of getting 1 for 1 you will get 0.5 SP for 1 Sp reversed. |
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
421
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:41:00 -
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Instead of every 24 hours, give the ability to completely refund a skill by expending a remap. If you want the skill at a lower level, just buy it back, for those skills like Reactive Armor Hardening that actually do you harm at higher levels.
Thus you dont get to train forever on a perfect remap, and you have to choose to either remap or refund a single skill. |
The Sinister
Eve Minions
48
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:42:00 -
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So if we add the -50% penalty skill point loss:
From the first example wich was the Tolocan Technology Skill instead of getting the 1,053,725 SP i will get 526,862 SP to relocate. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
237
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:42:00 -
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So 50% of the consequence of your choice to train certain skills. This would be like me trading in 50% of my knowledge in Chemistry (where my degree is) to gain extra knowledge in my IT skills that I currently use in my job. It doesn't make sense to me. |
The Sinister
Eve Minions
48
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:46:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:So 50% of the consequence of your choice to train certain skills. This would be like me trading in 50% of my knowledge in Chemistry (where my degree is) to gain extra knowledge in my IT skills that I currently use in my job. It doesn't make sense to me.
Nothing is Free in life mate! |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
239
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:50:00 -
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Exactly my point, re-training to a new skill should be from scratch, not with free SP from a discarded skill. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1145
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:53:00 -
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what happened to actions have consequences and living with ur decisions?
Why would we like to encourage instantaneous SP swapping into FOTM?
lets not.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:55:00 -
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The Sinister wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Hasn't this been suggested before many times? You make your choices and take your chances... And it will be keep on coming up in the future because it is a verry good Idea.
Sounds like something they implemented in WOW, and you want Eve to go the same way? No thanks. |
The Sinister
Eve Minions
48
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:56:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:what happened to actions have consequences and living with ur decisions?
Why would we like to encourage instantaneous SP swapping into FOTM?
lets not.
Because its a GAME
! and games should be fun and not a way to torment your self with previous bad planning. Everyone should be able to be happy with their toons and not regret it and sell them in a Character Bazzar. Or even worse leave game. |
The Sinister
Eve Minions
48
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:57:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:The Sinister wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Hasn't this been suggested before many times? You make your choices and take your chances... And it will be keep on coming up in the future because it is a verry good Idea. Sounds like something they implemented in WOW, and you want Eve to go the same way? No thanks.
I dont know i have never played WoW before. |
masternerdguy
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1435
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Posted - 2014.03.04 14:00:00 -
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The Sinister wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:what happened to actions have consequences and living with ur decisions?
Why would we like to encourage instantaneous SP swapping into FOTM?
lets not. Because its a GAME ! and games should be fun and not a way to torment your self with previous bad planning. Everyone should be able to be happy with their toons and not regret it and sell them in a Character Bazzar. Or even worse leave game.
http://youtu.be/LvfRYD3ZPHA?t=2m
In all seriousness, nobody cares if you made a mistake as long as you learned from it. Without your setbacks your accomplishments mean little.
Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Setsune Rin
Collapsed Out
Shadow Cartel
153
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Posted - 2014.03.04 14:04:00 -
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yeah...lets give people the ability to change millions of skillpoints every week
though i would love to cut mining 5 out of my skull this really isn't the solution |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1147
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Posted - 2014.03.04 14:05:00 -
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The Sinister wrote:
Because its a GAME
! and games should be fun and not a way to torment your self with previous bad planning. Everyone should be able to be happy with their toons and not regret it and sell them in a Character Bazzar. Or even worse leave game.
and a bloody good one without ur idea.
some ppl like a challenge. some ppl like planning. some ppl like that eve has real consequences. some ppl like how doing things right first time gives u an edge over those who dont. some ppl like how losses are (mostly) permanent.
if u want a game where all ur mistakes can be easily corrected/reimbursed, then maybe ur not going to like eve.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
452
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Posted - 2014.03.04 14:07:00 -
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The Sinister wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:what happened to actions have consequences and living with ur decisions?
Why would we like to encourage instantaneous SP swapping into FOTM?
lets not. Because its a GAME ! and games should be fun and not a way to torment your self with previous bad planning. Everyone should be able to be happy with their toons and not regret it and sell them in a Character Bazzar. Or even worse leave game.
Living with the consequences of our decisions is a large part of what makes EvE worth playing, at least for me and those that I fly with.
If you find EvE a torment should you not be looking for an MMO that better matches your expectations rather than trying to devalue this one?
EvE is after all not to everyones taste.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
The Sinister
Eve Minions
48
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Posted - 2014.03.04 14:07:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:The Sinister wrote:
Because its a GAME
! and games should be fun and not a way to torment your self with previous bad planning. Everyone should be able to be happy with their toons and not regret it and sell them in a Character Bazzar. Or even worse leave game.
and a bloody good one without ur idea. some ppl like a challenge. some ppl like planning. some ppl like that eve has real consequences. some ppl like how doing things right first time gives u an edge over those who dont. some ppl like how losses are (mostly) permanent. if u want a game where all ur mistakes can be easily corrected/reimbursed, then maybe ur not going to like eve.
I like Eve mate i have been here 10 years since the begining You Little Grasshopper! |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1147
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Posted - 2014.03.04 14:15:00 -
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The Sinister wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:The Sinister wrote:
Because its a GAME
! and games should be fun and not a way to torment your self with previous bad planning. Everyone should be able to be happy with their toons and not regret it and sell them in a Character Bazzar. Or even worse leave game.
and a bloody good one without ur idea. some ppl like a challenge. some ppl like planning. some ppl like that eve has real consequences. some ppl like how doing things right first time gives u an edge over those who dont. some ppl like how losses are (mostly) permanent. if u want a game where all ur mistakes can be easily corrected/reimbursed, then maybe ur not going to like eve. I like Eve mate i have been here 10 years since the begining You Little Grasshopper!
no way....i've seen ur threads
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Darthvadara
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.03.04 14:26:00 -
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Good idea but you have to sugar coat it so that CCP find your deal irresistible to not implement. Suggest something along the line of having to spend ISK for re-allocation of skill points, say an insane amount of 1 million ISK or more to re-allocate every 100 skill points. To ensure that this does not de-generate into a pay-to-win design, have it such that you can only re-allocate your skill point ONCE a year (like the attribute point of your char).
So, for a player who wish to re-allocate his skillpoints, he can only spent his real life money (via PLEX converted to ISK on the market) ONCE a year. CCP earns his money, while the player gets what he want, at the same time, he cannot do it often as and when he wishes. Win win for all.
Alternatively, implement a Skill-Point-Reallocation (SPREAL) card much like the concept of PLEX where you can buy on market or web store and activate it once a year to re-allocate certain number of skill points (say each card can allocate 500,000 skill points for example). |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1147
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Posted - 2014.03.04 14:34:00 -
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Darthvadara wrote:To ensure that this does not de-generate into a pay-to-win design
couldnt tell if u were being sarcastic here, as the rest of ur posts describes a de-generate pay-to-win design....
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Light Combat Drone
Martyr's Vengence
Nulli Secunda
1
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Posted - 2014.03.04 15:42:00 -
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I like the general idea, but it needs to be slow and at a penalty. I'd suggest something like:
- You can set 1 skill to untrain (the 1 skill training/queue are unaffected and run as normal)
- Untraining removes SP from that skill at the same rate as SP would be gained for it (based on attributes + implants)
- If you have any skill training, you get 33% of the SP lost added to that skill (per tick)
- If you have no skill in training, you get 25% of the SP lost as spendable SP (higher penalty as these are more convenient)
This makes it possible to shed harmful or useless skills in time. Doing this accelerates training new skills somewhat, but doesn't make it possible to instantly (or even quickly) switch doctrines. It overall has a negative effect on total SP of the character so it carries a hefty penalty that makes it undesirable to frequently unlearn skills. |
Rab See
Fool Mental Junket
40
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Posted - 2014.03.04 16:20:00 -
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Seliah wrote:-1.
Not being able to reallocate skillpoints makes you think more about your choices, gives you a greater sense of achievement when you finish training something and makes you regret your bad decisions. It also makes it harder for a group of pilots to shift their specialization from one type of fleet to another.
I would hate to see such a thing implemented into the game. Everybody with enough SP would become able to do pretty much anything if they decide to reallocate their SP. It's no fun. And no amount of ISK fee or time limitation will change that imo.
So I chose to fly the Naglfar ... which required Capital Missile skills ... and totally out of my control? I couldn't use that invested time. This did not leave me with a sense of achievement, simply a sense of annoyance at the wasted time, but it happened to a lot of people in a lot of ways.
But still don't like the idea of an auto reallocate, as it is really a testament to how you played, and now play the game. How you made dumb decisions, or ones that are moot (see above). Too easy for someone with 20M skillpoints to basically move them around and do everything well, as required in a very short timeperiod. |
Batelle
HOMELE55
2055
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Posted - 2014.03.04 16:23:00 -
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oh hey its this thread that gets posted a multiple times per week since forever.
its a terrible idea, will never happen, dealwithit.
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