I would like a 2nd set of t2 destoyers but the current Dictors do combat just fine. Fly a Sabre and enjoy Eve.

Maybe just a pair of Navy destroyers for each race?

I mean, interdicters are well, ok. But, They are not really t2 destoyers.
What im suggesting is a combat t2 Destoyer class.
Main traits:
-T2 resistances,
-Better/More agreeable slot layouts.
-Better tank.
-More DPS.
-More survivable.
-More capable.

1. This doesnt sound like a T2 more like "omgzlolpwnmobil".

2. We need Command Ship Destroyer to encourage more people into Frig/Desti only Fleets.

3. Another Assault Frig/Cruiser is kinda boring.

Yes, however they do no more fine in combat than their less expensive counterparts. Only real change is an extra 3-4k ehp 30-40+mil on an dictor vs ~10mil on something that can do nearly the same thing, minus warp bubles(which are only used in null)

How about a destroyer that is specialized in dealing with the category of the enemy faction?

Gallente: Anti-Ewar
Amarr: Anti-Agility (or maybe Anti-Blob)
Caldari: Anti-Drone (and maybe even fighter)
Minmatar: Anti-Remote Transfers

Adding more countermeasures may spice things up a bit.

Command ship destroyers would be fun :) I like the idea of having some more destroyers in the game either way, a tougher hybrid platform based on the Corax would be sweet :D

t2 destroyers are completely balanced right now with t2 assault ships. no need for changes

Command ship destroyers would be fun :) I like the idea of having some more destroyers in the game either way, a tougher hybrid platform based on the Corax would be sweet :D

More ships to eve is always better!We need more ships more tech ships more navy ships more pirate ships!But yes I woud like to see more destroyers so +1 from me

Why?

I'm only talking about dessies specifically as I think that as a ship class they are currently under-devleoped.

I haven't said anything against them or the idea. On that matter I am undesided.

I asked the former guy why we need more faction or pirate or tech2 boats.

If they ever got Defender missils to work in a reasonable fashion, a set of AEGIS Destroyers would be boss. Some sort of Cloaky hunter Destro would be cool too.

Not only the destroyers could need an additional ship-line up. A set of T2 combat-battlecruisers would be nice, too.

The command ships are perfectly fine, but since they're meant to be command ships they have all those additional leadership-skills to train. I for example would like to one day fly a Damnation or an Eos, but thanks to the requirement of spending months on training skills I will never use (on top of the 2+ months to get the BC-skills to 5), I keep putting it of.

Really, if there were some more versatility among T2-destroyers or battlecruisers, I would actually spend time training my destroyer and battlecruiser-skills.

On the other hand, right now I can concentrate on frigates, cruisers and later battleships. So this case actually accidentally helps me focus.

One guy one the dust forums suggested a T2 destroyer for orbital bombardment. With some kind of siege mode where you could rain death to everyone on the planet for a minute or so.

They would end up switching the hulls and making the Flycatcher use the Corax hull and putting hybrids on the Cormorant hull.

I am going to throw my support behind this concept. Destroyers fill a niche role as an anti-frig platform, but beyond the interdiction capabilities of the Sabre and like, they don't see much use. So in the vein of using the ship to fill other niches here are some ideas.

1. Localized Ewar platforms, designed for use in larger fleet engagements. As an example a Destroyer with the ability to create an area of effect "on grid" resolution lock time decrease (eg Gallente ship). At level 5 Ewar Destroyer skill, the ship can reduce the Resolution scan by 50 from all enemy ships within a defined area. The effect on frigs and cruisers would be small. The same effect on larger ships would be huge, effectively doubling the lock time of a battleship. Multiple Dessies EWAR rigs on grid would suffer a stacking penalty. (Of course this is an idea, so use imagination for other races). Give the modual an insane capacitor load to keep it in balance. Allowing this to be used in capitol warfare would also be an interesting way to make sub-caps a part of larger fleet battles. (Caldari ship type would work as a short range EC-300 drone with a small area of effect and a small chance to jam for 1 sec. Just long enough to break locks. The Mini version would act as a mobile web platform and the Amarr would have a cap drain or small tracking disruption ability.)

2. Covert Ops Hunter. The ability to use a specialized scanner probes; when activated in proximity of a cloaked ship, acts to decloak the ship and jam the cloaking ability for up to one minute. I would suggest a specialized skill to increase the range (think size of the probe) . Level 1 may be 1 AU, where as level 5 may be 16 AU in size. This would put a hard clamp on afk cloaking. To balance the ship from being the last word in gate camping, have the probe carry a long time of flight and reaction timer like the normal scanner probe, and would be visible on D-Scan and in the overview. Once used the probe disappears.

3. Smart Bomber. No not a misprint. Dessie specifically designed to use smart bombs. The idea would be to fill the high slots with these bombs and plow them through enemy drone blobs or blobs of ships for that matter. Give the ship a cyno/cloak ability and Dessies would have a role in Black Ops.

4. Command on grid links platforms. For use with small gangs. Provides one gang link like a command ship but with 50% less effectiveness to maintain balance.

5. I am not in favor of a bigger badder T2 combat assault Dessie. We don't need another counter to Destroyers. They are essentially balanced to be their own counters. IMO.

So essentially as a final comment. The Destroyers would have a stronger rbut more specialized role in both small gang and larger fleet engagements. A frig gang running into an EWAR Dessie would smoke the Dessie, but the smart bomber would wreck the frigs if it got close enough. An EWAR Dessie would cause plenty of head aches for Battleships and possibly capitol ships, but would still be countered by frigs and cruisers. A covert Ops hunter provides tons of content as the hunters become the hunted and neutral cloaky campers have a possible counter.

Don't see why they'd switch them around. There are multiple other ship hulls that change weapon types for T2 versions. Gives players with different skills a chance to fly the hull styles they want ;)

Why?

I would like to see navy dessies before T2-versions.

Adding more stuff to the LP stores is fun for the FactionWarfare guys and its an ISK-sink. There are too few usable items in the FW-LP-stores right now.

The issue is we don't really need navy destros. What role would they fill? Generic destros but with more eHP and fitting(which is what most navy ships are) already exist, they are called T1 cruisers.

That's my reasoning for the navy dessie to have a role bonus on turret tracking (or appropriate missile bonus) and to the squad leaders leadership skills. then they would fill the role of small gang command vessel, with better anti-frig/dessie capability

What you are describing is a T2 destroyer, not a navy destroyer. There are several good ideas for T2 destoyers in this thread.

• Command Destroyer
• Cloaky Hunter(on Grid Only)
• AEGIS Destoyers(Defender Missiles or something similar)
• AoE EWAR Destsoyers(using bubbles)

I am all for t2 destoyers, the more the merrier but Navy ones don't fill a role.

I'm fine with that being a TII dessie then , suggestion for your list:

Command Destroyer: Role Bonus +5-10% to leadership and turret tracking (or appropriate missile skill skills per level of faction dessie, +5-10% No new modules required

Cloaky hunter:Role bonus +5-10% on appropriate scanning skill, new module Ultra-High sensitivity Boad Spectrum Scannerv (destroyer only). Potentially this module would only work with a second ship searching too providing triangulation. Coding required

AEGIS class: Role Bonus +enough% to make defenders work well, +5-10% per level on remote sebo. No coding required

eWar class: Role Bonus -10% effectiveness to enemy ECM within 10Km, +10Km per level of Leadership skill