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Zelda Wei
New Horizon Trade Exchange
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Posted - 2011.11.12 10:26:00 -
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High-sec griefers like to paint themselves as the top predators of EVE, however they only weaken their victims making them more like parasites and are themselves subject to predation by others.
So, who are the true apex predators of EVE ?
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Little Delicious
Imperium's Dark Legion
22
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Posted - 2011.11.12 10:29:00 -
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ACE McFACE
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.12 11:13:00 -
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But, like a parasite, they know that if they completely kill of its host they will die too!
The true apex predator is Concord in High Sec, -10s in low sec and NPC null, and whoever owns the system in null sec ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING! (Not wearing them so don't waste your time reading this sig) |

Donna Divine
Gilded Goose Brokerage
2
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Posted - 2011.11.12 11:27:00 -
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Nullsec solo/really small gang pvp'ers. Currently near extinct.
Take any large alliance full of semi-nub blues plexing billions together right and left, then introduce a few good ninjaing BS/BC solo/tinygang pvp'ers into their home region and watch alliance chat go :******:
Essentially, eve's version of terrorists/guerilias are the real apex. Afaic at least |

Iceni
Angel Constellation
46
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Posted - 2011.11.12 13:34:00 -
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What makes you think that it is predation that gets you to the apex in EVE?
And has anyone got there yet? |

Hershman
G-Weezy
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Posted - 2011.11.12 14:04:00 -
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the "apex of eve" is such a generalized statements. There are many avenues of achievement each with its own philosophical idea of apex.
- Traders; Make as much isk as possible.
- Logistics; Create the most efficient way possible.
- PVP; Attain the greatest isk/kill ratios possible.
- PVE; Build the strongest ratting boat possible.
Etc etc... If you pay me I can tell you how to reach the apex  |

Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2011.11.12 14:11:00 -
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Donna Divine wrote:Nullsec solo/really small gang pvp'ers. Currently near extinct.
Take any large alliance full of semi-nub blues plexing billions together right and left, then introduce a few good ninjaing BS/BC solo/tinygang pvp'ers into their home region and watch alliance chat go :******:
Essentially, eve's version of terrorists/guerilias are the real apex. Afaic at least
That's...not what an apex predator is.
Quote:Apex predators (also known as alpha, super-, top-level predators or top predators) are predators that have no predators of their own, residing at the top of their food chain.[ Your small gangs are more like packs of scavenging dogs or hyenas. Sure you can catch small prey and antagonise the bigger beasties, but you're no real threat to them. The big alliances are the real apex predators, they've no real threats to their survival other than other big alliances. |

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
216
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Posted - 2011.11.12 15:06:00 -
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cloaked wh gang fights have been some of the most interesting and creative fights I've seen. Repair Drones should be able to repair anyone ... really, they should. -áThink of them as the first targetable subsystem if you're worried about PvP and for missions if someone wants Rep drones over a flight of Hobs, who cares. -áThere is no reasonable objection here other than it's always been that way (so was RR until recently). |

Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
156
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Posted - 2011.11.12 15:21:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:But, are they truely like a parasite? Do they know that if they completely kill of its host they will die too?
we have yet to see
btw, fixt https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |

Orlacc
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2011.11.12 16:10:00 -
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High sec griefers are comparable to jackals, so not them. Apex predators don't die when they kill so that eliminates suicide gankers.
Probably anyone who solo pvps in null and makes a profit. |

Donna Divine
Gilded Goose Brokerage
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Posted - 2011.11.12 16:11:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Donna Divine wrote:Nullsec solo/really small gang pvp'ers. Currently near extinct.
Take any large alliance full of semi-nub blues plexing billions together right and left, then introduce a few good ninjaing BS/BC solo/tinygang pvp'ers into their home region and watch alliance chat go :******:
Essentially, eve's version of terrorists/guerilias are the real apex. Afaic at least That's...not what an apex predator is. Quote:Apex predators (also known as alpha, super-, top-level predators or top predators) are predators that have no predators of their own, residing at the top of their food chain.[ Your small gangs are more like packs of scavenging dogs or hyenas. Sure you can catch small prey and antagonise the bigger beasties, but you're no real threat to them. The big alliances are the real apex predators, they've no real threats to their survival other than other big alliances.
Wrong. No individual player in Eve can ultimatley be turned into a victim other then by his/her own choice: quictting the game. Alliances however, rise and fall, mostly on the tide we like to call "drama". To me the persons best at causing said drama are at the apex of predation in Eve. |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
297
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Posted - 2011.11.12 16:13:00 -
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goonswarm
proven time and time again The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

Aaron Aardvark
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.12 16:29:00 -
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Zelda Wei wrote: High-sec griefers like to paint themselves as the top predators of EVE, however they only weaken their victims making them more like parasites and are themselves subject to predation by others.
Nah, it's only the lazy carebears who think that hisec griefers are the top predators of Eve. Everybody else knows how to use the tools CCP gave us in game to deal with them.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1547
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Posted - 2011.11.12 17:05:00 -
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oh no our prey feels we lack hounur |

Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.12 17:25:00 -
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Im an Apex Pver
I cannot get anymore dps out of my boat and i have it fitted with mods enough that im one of the fastest mission runners in the game without being needlessly gankable (officer fit).
thats one version of an Apex predator.
Isk just ***** in my lap at an incredible rate.
As for pvp Apex predators. Please dont get the 14 year olds fapping as they describe themselves |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
172
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Posted - 2011.11.12 17:30:00 -
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Zelda Wei wrote: So, who are the true apex predators of EVE ?
CCP Dev's and GM's.
Especially when they show up in their 'God Mode' ships. |

Martinez
T-Cells Moar Tears
7
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Posted - 2011.11.12 17:33:00 -
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I dont think there really such a thing. All of eve combat is for the most part the same.
1. Empire war. You camp systems, track down mission runners, fight on stations.
2. Low sec. You camp systems, track down mission runners, fight on stations.
3. Null sec. You camp systems, track down Npcers, fight on stations, cloak.
4. Suicide. You camp systems, use alt to scan and pick target. Shoot it. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
310
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Posted - 2011.11.12 17:39:00 -
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Donna Divine wrote:Takseen wrote:Donna Divine wrote:Nullsec solo/really small gang pvp'ers. Currently near extinct.
Take any large alliance full of semi-nub blues plexing billions together right and left, then introduce a few good ninjaing BS/BC solo/tinygang pvp'ers into their home region and watch alliance chat go :******:
Essentially, eve's version of terrorists/guerilias are the real apex. Afaic at least That's...not what an apex predator is. Quote:Apex predators (also known as alpha, super-, top-level predators or top predators) are predators that have no predators of their own, residing at the top of their food chain.[ Your small gangs are more like packs of scavenging dogs or hyenas. Sure you can catch small prey and antagonise the bigger beasties, but you're no real threat to them. The big alliances are the real apex predators, they've no real threats to their survival other than other big alliances. Wrong. No individual player in Eve can ultimatley be turned into a victim other then by his/her own choice: quictting the game. Alliances however, rise and fall, mostly on the tide we like to call "drama". To me the persons best at causing said drama are at the apex of predation in Eve.
so, goonswarm and test. got it. we have literally trolled alliances out of existence >.> |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
310
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Posted - 2011.11.12 17:44:00 -
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Zelda Wei wrote: High-sec griefers like to paint themselves as the top predators of EVE, however they only weaken their victims making them more like parasites and are themselves subject to predation by others.
So, who are the true apex predators of EVE ?
bahaha, highsec griefers are a lot more like scum building up on the side of a fish tank than apex predators. they are bottom feeders, preying only on the weak and stupid. |

Russell Casey
One Ton Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2011.11.12 17:45:00 -
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Based on the amount of hate and loathing, it must be the ones in highsec. |

Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
127
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Posted - 2011.11.12 18:10:00 -
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Most high sec griefers and gankers don't think of themselves as "apex predators" (seriously dude?) and if they do they are retarded shitcunts.
But if you want an answer, I'd have to say PL are probably the single most dangerous group as they are extremely mobile, very skilled in both small and large gang engagements and can drop in 50 supers to counteract a larger subcaptial or super fleet. No other highly skilled group of pvpers have as much money or supers. |

Caldari Acolyte
Perkone Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.11.12 19:07:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:High sec griefers are comparable to jackals, so not them. Apex predators don't die when they kill so that eliminates suicide gankers.
Probably anyone who solo pvps in null and makes a profit.
Solo Pvpers are generally always held in the highest regards, as for High Sec Griefers........well.........they shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Solo Pvpers.
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
561
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Posted - 2011.11.12 19:20:00 -
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Quote:Apex predators (also known as alpha, super-, top-level predators or top predators) are predators that have no predators of their own, residing at the top of their food chain.[
Market alts morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding! |

Written Word
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
105
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Posted - 2011.11.12 19:55:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Im an Apex Pver
I cannot get anymore dps out of my boat and i have it fitted with mods enough that im one of the fastest mission runners in the game without being needlessly gankable (officer fit).
thats one version of an Apex predator.
Isk just ***** in my lap at an incredible rate.
As for pvp Apex predators. Please dont get the 14 year olds fapping as they describe themselves
The only one here fapping as they describe their "greatness" in game is you.
You are going to rub it raw, be careful. |

Spectre80
The Knights Templar R.A.G.E
19
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Posted - 2011.11.12 20:24:00 -
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im the apex of eve. old and bitter |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
267
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Posted - 2011.11.12 20:28:00 -
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Carebears are the apex predators. Their demands and screams for a safer game, where they can earn and not lose, will destroy this game. Carebears are the ones to fear, if you have any love for EVE Online and what it once represented. EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic |

Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
157
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Posted - 2011.11.12 20:34:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Carebears are the apex predators. Their demands and screams for a safer game, where they can earn and not lose, will destroy this game. Carebears are the ones to fear, if you have any love for EVE Online and what it once represented.
dude do you do anything other than cry?
We all understand you have a carebear phobia. Get some help so you can move on.
Really though, if you WANT someone to plame here, look at Mittani. That they NOT run the interdiction, suicide ganking wouldnt be a hot button topic, CCP wouldnt be making changes to make their targets' lives easier.
Plus, I dont get hoe you think removing insurance (something most real gankers say isnt an issue anyways) is destroying EVE
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |

Azelor Delaria
Error-404
78
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Posted - 2011.11.12 20:54:00 -
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Lorren Canada wrote:Most high sec griefers and gankers don't think of themselves as "apex predators" (seriously dude?) and if they do they are retarded shitcunts.
But if you want an answer, I'd have to say PL are probably the single most dangerous group as they are extremely mobile, very skilled in both small and large gang engagements and can drop in 50 supers to counteract a larger subcaptial or super fleet. No other highly skilled group of pvpers have as much money or supers.
I pretty much agree with this.
In many instances, anyone who decs a corporation of griefers will see that corporation suddenly bleed members, or stay docked (or run for the dock!) as soon as you enter system.
That is what I like about high sec wars. Yes, you have to dec people to shoot at them, but at the same time, it's the most even playing field around. There's rules you follow, but at the end of the day, everyone has access to RR, everyone has access to stations. It's a game more of skill, and not just "Who has more supercaps" or "Who can bring a bigger blob".
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
310
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Posted - 2011.11.13 04:09:00 -
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Azelor Delaria wrote:Lorren Canada wrote:Most high sec griefers and gankers don't think of themselves as "apex predators" (seriously dude?) and if they do they are retarded shitcunts.
But if you want an answer, I'd have to say PL are probably the single most dangerous group as they are extremely mobile, very skilled in both small and large gang engagements and can drop in 50 supers to counteract a larger subcaptial or super fleet. No other highly skilled group of pvpers have as much money or supers. I pretty much agree with this. In many instances, anyone who decs a corporation of griefers will see that corporation suddenly bleed members, or stay docked (or run for the dock!) as soon as you enter system. That is what I like about high sec wars. Yes, you have to dec people to shoot at them, but at the same time, it's the most even playing field around. There's rules you follow, but at the end of the day, everyone has access to RR, everyone has access to stations. It's a game more of skill, and not just "Who has more supercaps" or "Who can bring a bigger blob".
yeah, its just "who has mroe pilots" and "who has more logistics".
highsec "warfare" is basically nullsec warfare, minus every single interesting part of it, minus the mind-numbing parts of it (structure shoots), and well, minus ******* everything. It isn't even PvP, stations make sure of that - you can just avoid fights and not care, whereas in 0.0, not showing up to a fight probably means you just lost a system, the initiative, a lot of morale, and strengthened your enemy.
so no, highsec warfare is no more even than nullsec warfare. it is simply scaled differently - 20 vs 15 is the same sort of advantage as 1000 vs 750. supercaps are just larger scaled versions of overly expensive "pimpmobiles", and killing them has just as proportional a blow to the special kid flying one. |

Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
119
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Posted - 2011.11.13 04:11:00 -
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CCP.
They feed off of us and make money no matter what we do. Softly schooling you one post at a time since 2011-10-27 |
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