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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.04.24 11:34:00 -
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The Initiative are a small but dedicated Mercenary corporation that have carried out some small contracts in our time. Up to now we have taken the unusual stance of maintaining strong ties with one particular alliance, formerly it was FE and following its split, it became V.O.I.D.
Our most recent contract was for members of a former FE corp that subsequently joined VOID - namely Cyberdyne Industries. Our relationship with Cyberdyne and their associated alliance members was good until they joined the new alliance and leadership changes took place.
On joining the new alliance, our client became unable to continue their contract with us. As such, we determined that we would withdraw our forces from their space, to continue other work. This is where the difficulties arose.
Rather than continuing the positive relationship between the alliance and our corporation, Cyberdyne forced us to make a decision - either pay 400m/month to get standings set to allow us to dock in their station and start moving our kit or to join the Alliance proper. We subsequently joined the Alliance as requested, moved all our kit out of their space and have now resigned from the Alliance (all within a few days).
In our eyes, this constitutes a breach of our previously positive relationship and is a slap in the face from what we considered as a valuable ally. The Initiative will henceforth be resetting all standings to Cyberdyne and V.O.I.D to neutral.
While we have experienced poor treatment from this particular group and recognise that this is largely due to the leadership being unavailable for a period, the Initiative still believe that maintaining strong ties with a strong and decisive Alliance to be a positive step for a small Mercenary corporation such as ourselves and will be looking to strengthen ties elsewhere.
We recognise that this isn't major news, but the lack of communications available with the VOID leadership directly has prompted this release.
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Kebabbinn
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Posted - 2006.04.24 11:52:00 -
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.04.24 11:54:00 -
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by the looks of it they are getting abit desperate on pulling in ppl who can fight for them.
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[05:17:46] Obiareus > freindlies dock or safespot
[05:17:51] Obiareus > YOU CANNOT WIN
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Malken
by the looks of it they are getting abit desperate on pulling in ppl who can fight for them.
Agreed - and if they had simply requested that we reside in their space for a while and help towards eradicating some of the problem corporations from their space we might well have accepted.
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K Shara
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:32:00 -
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you could always attack them for their cheek, the honour or merc corps everywhere demand it.
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Yarek Balear
Originally by: Malken
by the looks of it they are getting abit desperate on pulling in ppl who can fight for them.
Agreed - and if they had simply requested that we reside in their space for a while and help towards eradicating some of the problem corporations from their space we might well have accepted.
if you wish to discuss getting neutral standings towards Celest while in the are a then contact us at Celes Forums/Diplomatic section
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[05:17:46] Obiareus > freindlies dock or safespot
[05:17:51] Obiareus > YOU CANNOT WIN
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Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Malken
Originally by: Yarek Balear
Originally by: Malken
by the looks of it they are getting abit desperate on pulling in ppl who can fight for them.
Agreed - and if they had simply requested that we reside in their space for a while and help towards eradicating some of the problem corporations from their space we might well have accepted.
if you wish to discuss getting neutral standings towards Celest while in the are a then contact us at Celes Forums/Diplomatic section
  
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This post is my personal opinion. It does not represent the standpoint of the HUN Corporation in any way.
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Zzazzt on 24/04/2006 13:36:05
Not being funny, and not meant to flame CDI or VOID, as the particulars of your relationship are none of my business - but why do you think "maintaining strong ties with a strong and decisive Alliance to be a positive step for a small Mercenary corporation".
You only need to look at the (albeit pointless & irrelevant in their case) bashing MC have been getting for their relations with BoB.
Do you feel that you need the sponsorship of a 0.0 alliance to ply your trade?
If so, why? And why are you taking umbridge at being asked to conform to that alliance's terms for residency in their space?
If not, why are you bothered enough to make a post?
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Laythun on 24/04/2006 13:43:29
Originally by: K Shara
you could always attack them for their cheek, the honour or merc corps everywhere demand it.
Seconded. honour is everything
Also you DO NOT need to be sponsored by an alliance to operate.
CF took a nice little piece of stain alone last autumn and held it till our breakup. this was done without sponsorship of any entity or alliance.
you can do it too
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zzazzt
Edited by: Zzazzt on 24/04/2006 13:36:05
Not being funny, and not meant to flame CDI or VOID, as the particulars of your relationship are none of my business - but why do you think "maintaining strong ties with a strong and decisive Alliance to be a positive step for a small Mercenary corporation".
You only need to look at the (albeit pointless & irrelevant in their case) bashing MC have been getting for their relations with BoB.
Do you feel that you need the sponsorship of a 0.0 alliance to ply your trade?
If so, why? And why are you taking umbridge at being asked to conform to that alliance's terms for residency in their space?
If not, why are you bothered enough to make a post?
Did you read my post at all ? We put equipment in their station to fulfil a contract. They changed standings so we couldn't get it out when the contract ended. We were held to ransom to try and get us to join their alliance to let us get our stuff out. It's not rocket science.
As far as Alliance sponsorship is concerned, we enjoy contracts in both 0.0 and empire space. Without decent ties to a strong alliance in 0.0, we find work there more difficult to come by as one of the smaller corporations.
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:52:00 -
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TBH having ties is BAD for a merc corp, you want impartiality, thats what'll get you more contracts.
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Wrok
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:56:00 -
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yes having no ties wih anyone is often the best route to go.
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2006.04.24 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Yarek Balear
Did you read my post at all ?
Easy tiger - yes I did, and apparently extracted some correct meaning as confirmed by:
Originally by: Yarek Balear
As far as Alliance sponsorship is concerned, we enjoy contracts in both 0.0 and empire space. Without decent ties to a strong alliance in 0.0, we find work there more difficult to come by as one of the smaller corporations.
Lesson to be learned there is not biting when your chain is pulled. I was simply asking a question raised by the implications of your OP. One of the keys to a merc's success is impartiality & detachment. Look at the Battle Angels' & early MC posts for examples. Folks are impressed by coolness & professionalism, which includes dealing with me and others like or worse than me by rising above & answering questions about your outfit in a detached, superior & confident manner. This coupled with word of mouth on sucessful contracts will get you jobs without having to tie yourselves to a 0space alliance.
As for this:
Originally by: Yarek Balear
We put equipment in their station to fulfil a contract. They changed standings so we couldn't get it out when the contract ended. We were held to ransom to try and get us to join their alliance to let us get our stuff out. It's not rocket science.
A) Never use a cstation for precisely that reason. You'd've been better off basing in FDZ or Obe.
B) If what you say is true, some retaliatory action or compensation would seem to be in order.
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Octavios
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Posted - 2006.04.24 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Yarek Balear
We put equipment in their station to fulfil a contract. They changed standings so we couldn't get it out when the contract ended. We were held to ransom to try and get us to join their alliance to let us get our stuff out. It's not rocket science.
this is not the first time CDI has done that. They got bad standings in the eyes of many, maybe that's why ROA has a contract on VOID
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.04.24 18:09:00 -
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Zzazzt - apologies for the slightly flamey response I gave to your post - I was about to head off to a meeting and took your post as being more derogatory than it appears in the relaxed atmosphere at home...
We have found it preferable in the past to have stronger ties with an alliance in 0.0 than purely sticking to empire wars and such as it has afforded us with more flexibility, particularly during periods where we aren't under contract - we can go there, make money and help them secure their space. I realise that for the Mercenary purists that this isn't cricket, but then again I'm Scottish and never understood cricket in the first place 
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Arturio LeMancha
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Posted - 2006.04.25 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: Arturio LeMancha on 25/04/2006 00:11:43
You guys are always full of lies and false information. Your darn right we revoked your access once the contract was EXPIRED... HOWEVER 'The Initiative' and all others were given the 96 hours to remove all equipment from the area with POSITIVE standings. We can not help it if you are lazy and do not take full advantage of your situtations.
And lets not even talk about ".." like joing an Alliance and leaving it just to make up for your mistakes, and then blaming it on some else on the forums. Enjoy! I will not respond further!
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Originally by: Octavios
This is not the first time CDI has done that. They got bad standings in the eyes of many, maybe that's why ROA has a contract on VOID
Originally by: Yarek Balear
Zzazzt - apologies for the slightly flamey response I gave to your post - I was about to head off to a meeting and took your post as being more derogatory than it appears in the relaxed atmosphere at home...
We have found it preferable in the past to have stronger ties with an alliance in 0.0 than purely sticking to empire wars and such as it has afforded us with more flexibility, particularly during periods where we aren't under contract - we can go there, make money and help them secure their space. I realise that for the Mercenary purists that this isn't cricket, but then again I'm Scottish and never understood cricket in the first place
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Low Blow
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Posted - 2006.04.25 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Octavios
Originally by: Yarek Balear
We put equipment in their station to fulfil a contract. They changed standings so we couldn't get it out when the contract ended. We were held to ransom to try and get us to join their alliance to let us get our stuff out. It's not rocket science.
this is not the first time CDI has done that. They got bad standings in the eyes of many, maybe that's why ROA has a contract on VOID
For similar reasons also Sons of Amun are contracted against VOID alliance . Apparently CDI and GODS have ****ed off a lot of ppl and now they are reaping the results of this.
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Posted - 2006.04.25 02:55:00 -
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Sorry to hear about that Yarek , it must be realy frustrating m8 , but again as it has been mentioned this is not the first time and if i rememeber correctly CDI leadership almost got FE at the brink of civil war one day dunno if u also rememeber this incident. Anyway as zzazzt just said i think ur best course of action is to try and settle a negotiation. If negotations doesnt work then shooty shooty time  .
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.04.25 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Low Blow
Originally by: Octavios
Originally by: Yarek Balear
We put equipment in their station to fulfil a contract. They changed standings so we couldn't get it out when the contract ended. We were held to ransom to try and get us to join their alliance to let us get our stuff out. It's not rocket science.
this is not the first time CDI has done that. They got bad standings in the eyes of many, maybe that's why ROA has a contract on VOID
For similar reasons also Sons of Amun are contracted against VOID alliance . Apparently CDI and GODS have ****ed off a lot of ppl and now they are reaping the results of this.
cuse me, GODS have zero to do with void leadership atm nor anything to do with this situation. You can leave us out of this.
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.04.25 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Arturio LeMancha
Edited by: Arturio LeMancha on 25/04/2006 00:11:43
You guys are always full of lies and false information. Your darn right we revoked your access once the contract was EXPIRED... HOWEVER 'The Initiative' and all others were given the 96 hours to remove all equipment from the area with POSITIVE standings. We can not help it if you are lazy and do not take full advantage of your situtations.
And lets not even talk about ".." like joing an Alliance and leaving it just to make up for your mistakes, and then blaming it on some else on the forums. Enjoy! I will not respond further!
I think this sums up the attitude we received pretty nicely - thanks for helping with my argument... Always full of lies and false information ? You haven't ever spoken to us before dude, so don't try and pretend you know what you're talking about. As far as laziness about getting our stuff out is concerned, you know full well that BWF and surrounding systems are under attack - forgive us for not wanting to do a Leroy Jenkins with all our kit that we put in your station in good faith.
It's clear to me that Krullz' level headed leadership of CDI and the previous alliance leadership that they were under was more capable and reasonable than the current incumbents. This is supposed to be their liaison officer ffs - and he accuses people of lies & deceipt while screwing them over when they were willing to help. Interesting policy - I can see your alliance lasting a real long time !
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Soul Raven
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Posted - 2006.04.25 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Low Blow
Originally by: Octavios
Originally by: Yarek Balear
We put equipment in their station to fulfil a contract. They changed standings so we couldn't get it out when the contract ended. We were held to ransom to try and get us to join their alliance to let us get our stuff out. It's not rocket science.
this is not the first time CDI has done that. They got bad standings in the eyes of many, maybe that's why ROA has a contract on VOID
For similar reasons also Sons of Amun are contracted against VOID alliance . Apparently CDI and GODS have ****ed off a lot of ppl and now they are reaping the results of this.
cuse me, GODS have zero to do with void leadership atm nor anything to do with this situation. You can leave us out of this.
*Soul Raven waves at Persh
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Chin Qui
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Posted - 2006.04.25 12:09:00 -
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kill zem all
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Frezinviper
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Posted - 2006.04.25 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Frezinviper on 25/04/2006 22:57:44
Edited for clairfication
Originally by: Yarek Balear
I think this sums up the attitude we received pretty nicely - thanks for helping with my argument... Always full of lies and false information ? You haven't ever spoken to us before dude, so don't try and pretend you know what you're talking about. As far as laziness about getting our stuff out is concerned, you know full well that BWF and surrounding systems are under attack - forgive us for not wanting to do a Leroy Jenkins with all our kit that we put in your station in good faith.
It's clear to me that Krullz' level headed leadership of CDI and the previous alliance leadership that they were under was more capable and reasonable than the current incumbents. This is supposed to be their liaison officer ffs - and he accuses people of lies & deceipt while screwing them over when they were willing to help. Interesting policy - I can see your alliance lasting a real long time !
Again with the lies...I can see a pattern here... You mentioned that Arturio LeMancha has nothing to do with this even though I was on TS there the whole time with him... On teamspeak I heard verbal conformation that your guys were moving all your crud out... this was given from your "contract maker" you were pulling all your crud out and had 96 hours. I remeber Arturio complaining many time on TS about Yarek Balear convoing him like 5 times a day for like a week... and not once did you ask for more time to get your crud out of the station. Arturio was under the inpressions all your crud was moved and that your corp wanted to hang out in the AREA. So then you had 2 options to do so.. join alliance or pay the pass fee for being in the area.
I can see how this was easily missunderstood, but that is no reason to make bogus claims public on the froums. Please respond with some more lies or false information. I want to see with what you come up with next!
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Chimp Waterford
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Posted - 2006.04.25 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Low Blow
Originally by: Octavios
Originally by: Yarek Balear
We put equipment in their station to fulfil a contract. They changed standings so we couldn't get it out when the contract ended. We were held to ransom to try and get us to join their alliance to let us get our stuff out. It's not rocket science.
this is not the first time CDI has done that. They got bad standings in the eyes of many, maybe that's why ROA has a contract on VOID
For similar reasons also Sons of Amun are contracted against VOID alliance . Apparently CDI and GODS have ****ed off a lot of ppl and now they are reaping the results of this.
cuse me, GODS have zero to do with void leadership atm nor anything to do with this situation. You can leave us out of this.
Thank God, maybe Void actually got a future but i doubt it since you got no friends and are just waiting to get kicked out of vale..
Well gonna be interesting to see whats gonna happend
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Rajon Kelper
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Posted - 2006.04.25 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Chimp Waterford
Thank God, maybe Void actually got a future but i doubt it since you got no friends and are just waiting to get kicked out of vale..
Well gonna be interesting to see whats gonna happend
 
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Posted - 2006.04.26 02:30:00 -
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let ze blood zpill!
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.04.26 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Frezinviper
Again with the lies...I can see a pattern here... You mentioned that Arturio LeMancha has nothing to do with this even though I was on TS there the whole time with him... On teamspeak I heard verbal conformation that your guys were moving all your crud out... this was given from your "contract maker" you were pulling all your crud out and had 96 hours. I remeber Arturio complaining many time on TS about Yarek Balear convoing him like 5 times a day for like a week... and not once did you ask for more time to get your crud out of the station. Arturio was under the inpressions all your crud was moved and that your corp wanted to hang out in the AREA. So then you had 2 options to do so.. join alliance or pay the pass fee for being in the area.
I can see how this was easily missunderstood, but that is no reason to make bogus claims public on the froums. Please respond with some more lies or false information. I want to see with what you come up with next!
LMAO - oh well, I guess that's how propeganda goes with alliances like Void then.... People who were not involved in the conversations and had no idea what was being said make grandiose remarks about how they think they were involved because they heard someone moan something on TS once... What I stated in my OP were facts - borne out by the following excerpt that I posted on our forums...
Arturio LeMancha > Hm... not exactally sure what i said before.. bt the exact Pollicy given is: 100M
fee per month for EVERY Alliance Member. 400M Every month for Sponoring a Corp.
Yarek Balear > all we want is a pass for a month - to buy us time to get our stuff out of our corp hangar in LS-JEP that we brought up here to fulfil a contract for members of your corporation...
Yarek Balear > we're not particularly interested in ratting here or making isk in your space
Arturio LeMancha > This is due to the fact that we are looking for Alliance members that want to contribute to our space and allince strenght.. the much higher Sponoring fee is for 2 things. 1. Sway members to Join or charge them for using our space.. 2. The vee is much...
Arturio LeMancha > Well if you guys just want to PVP and support and alliance then i woudl reccomend joing and put towards securing the space and making it safe.. and going on alliance Ops..
Arturio LeMancha > It is cheaper and probally give you want you need.
The fact that you're being lied to by one of your supposed leaders doesn't concern me and whatever lies you wish to attempt to spread after this about how grand your alliance is and how fairly they treat groups that considered them friendly is not my concern - go on your way with your pointless propeganda - eventually you'll fail in your quest because you don't have the capability of gaining people's trust and sticking with it...
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Frezinviper
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Posted - 2006.04.27 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Yarek Balear
I think this sums up the attitude we received pretty nicely - thanks for helping with my argument... Always full of lies and false information ? You haven't ever spoken to us before dude, so don't try and pretend you know what you're talking about. As far as laziness about getting our stuff out is concerned, you know full well that BWF and surrounding systems are under attack - forgive us for not wanting to do a Leroy Jenkins with all our kit that we put in your station in good faith.
Originally by: Yarek Balear
LMAO - oh well, I guess that's how propeganda goes with alliances like Void then.... People who were not involved in the conversations and had no idea what was being said make grandiose remarks about how they think they were involved because they heard someone moan something on TS once... What I stated in my OP were facts - borne out by the following excerpt that I posted on our forums...
Arturio LeMancha > Hm... not exactally sure what i said before.. bt the exact Pollicy given is: 100M
fee per month for EVERY Alliance Member. 400M Every month for Sponoring a Corp.
Yarek Balear > all we want is a pass for a month - to buy us time to get our stuff out of our corp hangar in LS-JEP that we brought up here to fulfil a contract for members of your corporation...
Yarek Balear > we're not particularly interested in ratting here or making isk in your space
Arturio LeMancha > This is due to the fact that we are looking for Alliance members that want to contribute to our space and allince strenght.. the much higher Sponoring fee is for 2 things. 1. Sway members to Join or charge them for using our space.. 2. The vee is much...
Arturio LeMancha > Well if you guys just want to PVP and support and alliance then i woudl reccomend joing and put towards securing the space and making it safe.. and going on alliance Ops..
Arturio LeMancha > It is cheaper and probally give you want
Well you already proven you lie from your last 2 posts.. first you say you have NEVER talked to Art yet you pull some "logs" that im sure are edited to fit your needs, that INDEED prove that you have talked to Art at least once. So Art has informed me to quit talking with you guys on the fourms... and if you want a solution to this problem. you need to appoligise and contact him ingame.
Thanks and Cya!
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.04.27 11:25:00 -
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Stop talking out of your backside... My statement of "never having spoken to us before" was a reference to Arturio's comment of "you guys are always full of lies". Until this saga, he had never dealt with us, so to imply that he knows us and that we're "always" full of lies is a complete mis-truth. Why you feel such a sense of self-importance that you should comment on a subject that has never involved you from the first day I have no idea...
I will finish my final statement on this matter by looking forward to seeing you in space.
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Vishnej
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Posted - 2006.04.27 14:48:00 -
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Yarek, from your perspective, is this or is this not true?
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'The Initiative' and all others were given the 96 hours to remove all equipment from the area with POSITIVE standings.
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