Something everyone seems to miss is relativity. It is a fabric of reality and there is no way to escape it. It is impossible to create a perfect way to determine the difference between a bumper and a bumpee, because there is no difference. Any labels you assign in that regard are completely arbitrary and a figment of design.

Bumpees whine more.

for me . it's pretty nonsense bumping mechanics at this time . do u think ship with little mass touch AB/MWD and bump ships that have 5 - 10 times more mass than bumper and who took bump got screw away from they point and can't do nothing much with bumper who not lose anything and start bumping again ??? isn't it nonsense about real physics ? i thinks bumper and who took bump should lose their armor or structure strength calculate with total mass and other fact .

it's pretty naive Cruiser bumping at carrier or dread and not even lose anything (except a little time , tracking , little caps)
and Frigate that try to bumping BC BS should screw and pop by his little mass or Cruiser should lose their armor and structure do to it's little mass .

gimmick ? like Cruiser with 2 web and web at Frigate ! yes right Cruiser can touch AB/MWD and screw at frigate and frigate pop without even change to dodge , so if u think it's a damn hell because of 2 web that make every ship can't even move u are right but it's can solve by make web have stacking penalty like another module that can't perform 100% speed reduce .

Back to the physics, but not using mathematics exactly.

Lets discuss autos and trucks. Mini Coopers are nice cars. Weigh between 2950 and 3200 lbs. Mack trucks somewhere near x10 of that. Just times ten the weight. Now seriously, can you imagine a Mini Cooper at full speed broad siding a Mack Truck with trailer and a) receiving no damage b) significantly altering its direction? Obviously, to the Mack, it would feel like a bump, if at all.

In L.A. a few years ago a MGB rear ended a trailer at a light and the drive did not notice. It took 5 miles before the police got the truck to stop so the poor MGB driver could disengage his car from the truck. No damage to the trailer.

Now, the Mini can only go 125 or so, top speed. Lets give it Mach speed, keeping to real world and not spacecraft. So we got an 800mph Mini running into a Mack truck. It ought to affect it's direction. It should also disintegrate on contact. We've seen images in movies where Macks, busses, and other large truck just roll over cars as though they didn't exist. Those things are built to take more of a beating.

Now think of a frig to a freighter. Larger difference in mass and now going, not Mach, but light speed. the difference isn't 10:1 anymore, it is 100:1. The speed also changes from 186,000 miles/sec compared to 800 miles/hour. Under the right circumstances, with some luck, it's possible a frig would appear like a bullet to the freighter, even breach the hull. (would a high speed pirate vessel breach the hull of an oil tanker? not likely) However, and key here, there is no way the frig would fly out after the impact.

I know we have incidental bumping at stations and in belts when warping in. I'm not advocating damage then, but damage should be received for intentional bumping not near a gate or station. Another way, at least for the belt miner, is to give me some way to anchor my ship. Then bumping an anchored ship causes significant damage.

it's like a asteroids that hit a moon or earth that after impact nowhere that asteroids that spalling and scatter around and like a bullets after it hit something hard it's can't saving they previous shape .

Something everyone seems to miss is relativity. It is a fabric of reality and there is no way to escape it. It is impossible to create a perfect way to determine the difference between a bumper and a bumpee, because there is no difference. Any labels you assign in that regard are completely arbitrary and a figment of design.

bumping is only a problem when someone uses noobship aggro to prevent you from logging off your freighter while they slowly kill you over a period of 40 minutes (yes this is done).

Now this is dumb. Was the freighter pilot AFK or something? 40 minutes and a noob ship? Should be enough time for a freighter pilot to eject, buy a frigate, buy modules + ammo and come back to clear the problem. Or if possible, call help from corp mates or something. 40 minutes should be more then enough time, especially against a minor threat like this.

the bumper is the one that activated the 'ramming module' or whatever name you want to give it - they can now freely bump anyone and he and only he would get suspect - not everyone he hit.

How does the bumping module work? Does it activate physics? What happens when it's off? If ships aren't bumping each other they ignore each other.

The unstoppable force IS the immovable object. The only way for the bumping module to work is for it to affect the physics of ships around it. What do they do then? Ignore bumping while they are on grid with the ship using it but not touching it, and suddenly start being bumpable when they are touching the ship using the module? What happens when ship X not using the module is touching ship Y that is using the module and also touching ship Z that isn't using one? Ship Z would get bumped. Does that make ship X the one who bumped ship Z?

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Hope that clears things up.

Bumping module = MWD

Increases Speed
Increases Mass
Makes bumping more effective.


GG.

Doesn't give suspect status for using it offensively - therefore does not fulfill the role for the suggested idea.

If you add a mod which nobody has to use anyway since they can use an ordinary MWD without penalty, that hardly fufills the suggested idea either does it?

Well it does if you use the idea as a whole - which is to reduce the ability for tiny ships to bounce around larger ships unless they use this mod.

If someone wants to throw a battleship at a frigate without this module they are free to do so. To be honest we could go around in circles forever discussing this - curiously if I had suggested a 'Ramming frigate' idea without the suspect status component would you have supported it? I'm just trying to establish if going suspect is the main objection that people have to the idea.

Yeah ejecting works great. I know somebody who just donated a 1 billion isk battleship to some can flippers trying to take the chance that they didn't have the training to fly it doing this same thing. I won't deny that he was making a monumentally stupid mistake by taking the bait in the first place, but the principle stands. Eject and you're just giving them a huge chance to increase their profit.

Even if the person attacking you doesn't have the skills, what about someone in their corp? What about an alt? I'd rather watch the freighter burn than give it to them on a platter.

Fair point, but what about alts? 40 min. would be enough to log in an alt on another account. Heck, since you lose your freighter anyway and don't have to care about non-existing tank modules switching off you can just log out your freighter pilot and log in your combat alt on the same account. 40 minutes, remember?

Literally everything is better then just hanging there for forty minutes like a moron.

EDIT: @Daichi:

Don't forget the 'Do whatever they want cause they pay to do whatever they want and how dare anyone else interfere or do what they want in the process' part.

@Grayland:


No, F&I would NOT support a 'ramming Frigate' idea.


F&I doesn't support your 'ramming module' either....


EDIT: @Daichi:

Don't forget the 'Do whatever they want cause they pay to do whatever they want and how dare anyone else interfere or do what they want in the process' part.

I'm gratified that you speak for everyone in F&I, it will make posting further ideas much easier now knowing that I only have to ask you.

Or.... you could read the rest the thread.....

And the 30 or 40 threads from various freighter pilots and others on bumping and freighter ganking.....

Actually I did.

A quick scan of the whole thread revealed:

12 people expressing support
11 people against the idea
the rest I couldn't tell if they were for or against or were off topic.

Seems pretty split down the middle to me (as expected). Note: I counted unique people expressing the view - not number of posts - so I think it's a little unfair to claim that the whole idea was universally rejected.

There's no way your through all the Freighter bumping threads, in which the same ideas were brought up and put down....