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Lutya Seer Wetchik Estate 1	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:12:00 - [1] - Quote I'm looking to put together a fitting for semi-AFK ratting using drones and remote repairing them. I'm also trying to get the best omnitank that I can, preferrably enough for L4 missions. I am willing to go with the following implants to make the fit work best: Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1 ... ... Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2 ... Inherent Implants 'Squire' Energy Systems Operation EO-604 ... Inherent Implants 'Squire' Energy Management EM-804 Inherent Implants 'Noble' Repair Proficiency RP-904 Imperial Navy Modified 'Noble' Implant I am willing to spend up to around 1bil on the modules but not more. I am thinking a Dominix is my best option. I am not sure how to best achieve an omnitank. I was thinking that the Reactive Armor Hardener would be perfect for optimizing resists from mission to mission. Here's the fitting I came up with: [Dominix, AFK Armor Tank] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Centus A-Type Armor Explosive Hardener Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Reactive Armor Hardener Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script Micro Remote Shield Booster II Micro Remote Shield Booster II Micro Remote Shield Booster II Micro Remote Shield Booster II Micro Remote Shield Booster II Drone Link Augmentor II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II Garde II x5 I can fit Small Remote Shield Boosters or Small Remote Armor Repairers if needed to keep the drones alive, but I'd have to lose damage. Has anyone tried this before? Does this look like it would work?
Salvos Rhoska Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 198	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:26:00 - [2] - Quote You have some balls asking this in public...
Chad Wylder Bogus Brothers Corporation Illusion of Solitude 20	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:28:00 - [3] - Quote You're considering AFK missioning in a 1.5b ship with around 550m in implants? And said ship has 60k EHP and barely cap-stable at all V skills with said implants? Sounds like a good plan to me. Just make sure you list the character running these missions if it's different from Lutya Seer so people can offer in-game er... "help."
Lantro Loonstar 1	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:45:00 - [4] - Quote Not sure what you call (semi) AFK. At least for L4 I suggest you don't try it with this setup. Dominix - because of the traits is dedicated to range. Stuff pops without problems long before it gets in range. Use mainly Wardens and keep some Garde and Lights in the bay. Tanking is pretty easy on those ranges, only things that hurt are Guristas and Mordus. Cheap 3 Slot T2 tank is by far enough here. Replace the Shield Boosters with a total of 3 or maybe 4 Drone Links and use Range Scripts, don't forget to put at least one Civilian Blaster on it to aggro stuff, a MJD to get distance, a Sensor Booster and replace the cap rigs with targeting range rigs so you can aggro stuff at around 200 km. If you want to fit a sick tank on a droneboat go for a Rattlesnake, can even passive tank like hell without expensive modules but is not the right thing for semi AFK imho. Why do you need and omnitank? Put all the stuff you ever need in a medium container and a mobile depot in your cargohold...problem solved. And forget about those Navy Omnis, they are crap since the changes...simply compare them to cheap T2.
Lutya Seer Wetchik Estate 1	Posted - 2014.03.10 20:05:00 - [5] - Quote Lantro wrote: Not sure what you call (semi) AFK. At least for L4 I suggest you don't try it with this setup. Dominix - because of the traits is dedicated to range. Stuff pops without problems long before it gets in range. Use mainly Wardens and keep some Garde and Lights in the bay. Tanking is pretty easy on those ranges, only things that hurt are Guristas and Mordus. Cheap 3 Slot T2 tank is by far enough here. Replace the Shield Boosters with a total of 3 or maybe 4 Drone Links and use Range Scripts, don't forget to put at least one Civilian Blaster on it to aggro stuff, a MJD to get distance, a Sensor Booster and replace the cap rigs with targeting range rigs so you can aggro stuff at around 200 km. If you want to fit a sick tank on a droneboat go for a Rattlesnake, can even passive tank like hell without expensive modules but is not the right thing for semi AFK imho. Why do you need and omnitank? Put all the stuff you ever need in a medium container and a mobile depot in your cargohold...problem solved. And forget about those Navy Omnis, they are crap since the changes...simply compare them to cheap T2. By semi-AFK I mean warp into a pocket, deploy sentries, start remote repairing them, then attack NPCs and go AFK. Come back to a cleared pocket (hopefully). So you're recommending a sniper fit for AFK pocket clearing? Will my drones attack NPCs who are not in range to attack me? You're saying warp in, MJD away, aggro each pocket then let my drones pick targets? If they fail to kill frigates before they close the distance then they're pretty much guaranteed to die while I'm AFK. Will they pick the frigates first? My goal with the Garde/Dominix fitting was to get as much tracking as possible (as far as sentry drones go) so they don't get stuck on fast moving ships for too long. The point of the omnitank is to spend as little time as possible not AFK. I don't want to have to look up each mission on eve-survival and worry about mixed damage types like missions with two types of rats. I know that only takes a minute to do but it's a minute I want to save in this case.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 3250	Posted - 2014.03.10 20:08:00 - [6] - Quote The reppers will not be enough for a level 4. I use a large shield transporter and a large armor repper on my Rattlesnake, and it isn't unusual for me to be forced to return the drones to the bay. In my experience, typically NPC will focus on one or two drones.
Froggy Storm The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement 197	Posted - 2014.03.11 07:03:00 - [7] - Quote I believe there is mention of another hit against afk drones (by way of rat ai buff) mentioned in the release notes for 1.3 today. So afk missioning will (likely) be one step closer to impossible come tomorrow.
Luwc Easy Co. Fatal Ascension 62	Posted - 2014.03.11 07:33:00 - [8] - Quote I can help you where do you usualy mission run ?
Johnnyan Johnnyan Inc. 0	Posted - 2014.03.11 09:07:00 - [9] - Quote Froggy Storm wrote: I believe there is mention of another hit against afk drones (by way of rat ai buff) mentioned in the release notes for 1.3 today. So afk missioning will (likely) be one step closer to impossible come tomorrow. Now if they would only boost the drone AI, that would be something. I didnt play the game for about 3 years, drones were ****** then, still ****** now. LE: Wow, I cant even call them r e t a r d e d.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Hello-There 273	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:40:00 - [10] - Quote Luwc wrote: I can help you where do you usualy mission run ? Nice try, very subtle
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 409	Posted - 2014.03.11 11:39:00 - [11] - Quote Note the Omni changes have effected Garde the most and Bouncers the least. Dominix/Ishtar Garde II no longer shoot out to 90km with crazy tracking. A better Domi setup is use Bouncers and target from 130km .
Treborr MintingtonJr Quantum Reality R n D Spaceship Samurai 192	Posted - 2014.03.11 13:09:00 - [12] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: Note the Omni changes have effected Garde the most and Bouncers the least. Dominix/Ishtar Garde II no longer shoot out to 90km with crazy tracking. A better Domi setup is use Bouncers and target from 130km . I mission in a Domi and I will tell you that these changes have made it more challenging, especially when tracking frigates which would require you to change the Omnidirectional scripts from range to tracking. You might end up coming back to a wreck after your sentries have spent all their time trying to hit one frigate and failing. Also they will pop your drones if you are not careful.
Boomhaur 198	Posted - 2014.03.11 13:13:00 - [13] - Quote They made some changes to how rats react to drones in mission so it be quite a bit harder to AFK in missions now. You may actually better off either AFKing lv3's for pitiful cash or using a missile boat for it's FoF missiles and coming back every few minutes to hit F1 again to launch your missiles again. In the distant past I was known to AFK missions occasionally (years ago). Did this in a Drake, Nighthawk, Gila. None of them were particularly good at making money that way and was more of a way to make a slow steady amount of isk while I was doing market orders or watching a movie. If you plan to make back enough cash to cover the cost of that expensive domi, just walk away now 1 slip up and you can kiss all your progress for a very long time good bye. Name of the game to AFKing is having enough tank to actually live, unfortunately that doesn't go so well with being able to do more DPS than a wet paper towel. So drop the idea of having damage mods and swap them for more tank your afk anyway you should just worry about having enough DPS to break their tanks not speed.. Once your done with that make your ship cheaper to fit so it's not as painful to lose so ditch the faction/deadspace gear. Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.
Batelle HOMELE55 2189	Posted - 2014.03.11 13:16:00 - [14] - Quote I still always figure my drones will do something stupid, such as not aggro or not shoot at frigates until they get close. Even in the days when dual rep domis were standard, i always managed my drones. If i tried to afk my drones while ratting, I would just end up being idle for minutes at a time due to npcs not being in range to aggro. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Estella Osoka Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis 329	Posted - 2014.03.11 16:19:00 - [15] - Quote The problem with this is that sentries do not have the high resists to make remote repping them work.
Treborr MintingtonJr Quantum Reality R n D Spaceship Samurai 192	Posted - 2014.03.11 16:37:00 - [16] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: The problem with this is that sentries do not have the high resists to make remote repping them work. Very good point also shield regeneration for sentry drones are longer I believe: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4115897
Kyperion Aliastra Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:30:00 - [17] - Quote Treborr MintingtonJr wrote: Hasikan Miallok wrote: Note the Omni changes have effected Garde the most and Bouncers the least. Dominix/Ishtar Garde II no longer shoot out to 90km with crazy tracking. A better Domi setup is use Bouncers and target from 130km . I mission in a Domi and I will tell you that these changes have made it more challenging, especially when tracking frigates which would require you to change the Omnidirectional scripts from range to tracking. You might end up coming back to a wreck after your sentries have spent all their time trying to hit one frigate and failing. Also they will pop your drones if you are not careful. I think I must have accidently made one of the best decisions ever in my eve career by going for an ishtar. MWD to 130-140ish km, Cycle a gatling laser through targets, release bouncers ....Most annoying thing to me is the max of 7 targets Bouncers will usually chew through the Frigs/Cruisers faster than I can target and keep their DPS away from BS To the O.P. .... AFK is situational, and almost always better done at range. You can tell in a mission when your ok to go AFK for a few, but never go out of sound range of your 'puter. As I get better I think I'm gonna end up dropping the tank for the ability to target/engage further.... bouncers can already hit to 134 km consistently with no fall off scripts, add another sensor booster and an omni with a range bonus with T2 Drone links and I think I could push 657 dps to approaching 200 Kilometers. And I can get to that range in about 60 seconds. Did I mention I love the Ishtar?
Lutya Seer Wetchik Estate 1	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:41:00 - [18] - Quote It seems I will have to do some testing with the drone aggro. In my experience I never had a sentry get aggro from more than a 1-2 drones at a time but if it's going to be much worse than that then I might have to adjust my fitting for L3 missions. With L3 missions I should be able to lower my tank and/or DPS and increase capacitor to keep sentries up, maybe even stick to deploying only 4 sentries at a time if needed. I'm not trying to do AFK things while missioning, I'm trying to do missions while working from home! So anything that requires more than like 5% of my time attention span wise is not good. L3 payout is better than no payout.
Lutya Seer Wetchik Estate 1	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:53:00 - [19] - Quote [Ishtar, AFK L3 Missions] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer Damage Control II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script Medium Remote Armor Repairer II Medium Remote Armor Repairer II Medium Remote Armor Repairer II Medium Remote Armor Repairer II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Garde II x4 I wonder if the Gardes above could track all the L3 frigates? They are the highest tracking sentry, add the Ishtar bonus and the tracking scripts and I'd like to think they'd do OK. Only problem is I have no way to test the aforementioned fitting before spending ~2 months training it.
Lady Naween Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 499	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:51:00 - [20] - Quote tbh afk missioning is dead and good riddance. You would probably even make more money afk mining these days due to how slow it would go, and if a single frig starts orbiting then the gardes will have trouble and if it is an elite frig.. good luck.
Ireland VonVicious Vicious Trading Company 298	Posted - 2014.03.12 00:24:00 - [21] - Quote AFK missions are long over. It use to be easy money and the dominix was the perfect ship for it. You will find that all of this effort into trying to do it with the current AI is useless. They also "nerfed" the drone omni's as far as afk aspects are concerned. It's a "buff" as far as pvp goes. Almost equal in other aspects. Those of us who use to do it have already tried everything and it won't work. If you are the one person to find the magic beans then enjoy but I really don't see that happening.
Kyperion Aliastra Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2014.03.12 04:32:00 - [22] - Quote Lutya Seer wrote: [Ishtar, AFK L3 Missions] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer Damage Control II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script Medium Remote Armor Repairer II Medium Remote Armor Repairer II Medium Remote Armor Repairer II Medium Remote Armor Repairer II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Garde II x4 I wonder if the Gardes above could track all the L3 frigates? They are the highest tracking sentry, add the Ishtar bonus and the tracking scripts and I'd like to think they'd do OK. Only problem is I have no way to test the aforementioned fitting before spending ~2 months training it. Without a range script your Gardes will only hit to maybe 60 km every now and again.... even level 3 rats put out enough DPS at that range to toast your tank With an ishtar, repping your drones is a waste. First off, you should be at a range where the NPC's cant hit you anyway. Secondly if your fighting the longer range NPCs and they agro the sentries just scoop em up and redeploy, plays havoc with the AI ... also, a small gatling laser will be enough to pull agro, especially if you scoop em up for a ten count, while missing horribly with your ray of harmless-AI-trolling. Give up the idea of just being able to warp in press a few buttons and leave. If you want to be able to walk away from the PC for a few, you have to be able to get 100+ km away, manually kill the small stuff, and then maybe fix a sandwich or some coffee or a restroom break as they switch to the battleships. IF you want the true AFK gameplay experience, go train Mining and Planetary interaction... both are very conducive to press a few buttons and only return hours later. Also realize that if you do anything And ESPECIALLY mission running with pimped fits... the gankers will find you, and most likely your profit margin will be destroyed. Seriously, why AFK? Skill up and your typical level 4 will only take a half hour max if you don't pick up the goodies. And it will be much more entertaining.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Hello-There 274	Posted - 2014.03.12 10:26:00 - [23] - Quote Mining isn't that afk if you want better yields. PI is mainly AFK but be prepared for the trips to haul your stuff out of losec/null. PI is relatively passive income but to get the real benefits from it you do need to put some work in.
Kaivar Lancer Federal Defense Union 444	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:37:00 - [24] - Quote If you want to AFK, start a corp with a 5% tax rate and recruit some clueless minions .
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 422	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:04:00 - [25] - Quote Kaivar Lancer wrote: If you want to AFK, start a corp with a 5% tax rate and recruit some clueless minions . .. and get some POCOs and POS happening.
Lyris Nairn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 12270	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:05:00 - [26] - Quote Or move to nullsec, where AFK ratting is still en vogue. Sky Captain of Your Heart Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 718	Posted - 2014.03.16 21:31:00 - [27] - Quote Froggy Storm wrote: I believe there is mention of another hit against afk drones (by way of rat ai buff) mentioned in the release notes for 1.3 today. So afk missioning will (likely) be one step closer to impossible come tomorrow. That sucks. I wish they just remove the "Aggressive" option instead of making drones terrible. This would eliminate the possibility of AFK missions and also allow drones to be effective for non AFK use.
Robert Morningstar Morningstar Excavations LTD Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners 65	Posted - 2014.03.18 00:08:00 - [28] - Quote do not try to afk that said DOMI high 3* dcu II 3425 rail gun II (I use tungsten ammo) mids 2 Omni II sebo II range script 2 cap recharger II lows dcu II drone damage augmentor II Large armor rep II one of each active hardner II rigs 1 for the low resist hole 1 for rep amount 1 for rep rate 5 * bounder II 5 * garde II or ogres II 5 * hobgoblin II or Warrior II 3 * small armor rep
Ireland VonVicious Vicious Trading Company 302	Posted - 2014.03.18 01:14:00 - [29] - Quote IIshira wrote: Froggy Storm wrote: I believe there is mention of another hit against afk drones (by way of rat ai buff) mentioned in the release notes for 1.3 today. So afk missioning will (likely) be one step closer to impossible come tomorrow. That sucks. I wish they just remove the "Aggressive" option instead of making drones terrible. This would eliminate the possibility of AFK missions and also allow drones to be effective for non AFK use. Drones are still incredibly effective. It's not your drones that are the issue.
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 725	Posted - 2014.03.18 01:58:00 - [30] - Quote Ireland VonVicious wrote: IIshira wrote: Froggy Storm wrote: I believe there is mention of another hit against afk drones (by way of rat ai buff) mentioned in the release notes for 1.3 today. So afk missioning will (likely) be one step closer to impossible come tomorrow. That sucks. I wish they just remove the "Aggressive" option instead of making drones terrible. This would eliminate the possibility of AFK missions and also allow drones to be effective for non AFK use. Drones are still incredibly effective. It's not your drones that are the issue. Of course I was referring to PVE Sentry drones are still effective but they are not as they were before. Constantly recalling and launching them lowers your DPS. Heavy drones are completely useless now. If you're trying to say my skills are an issue unless they now allow training to level 6 that's not an issue.
Ireland VonVicious Vicious Trading Company 302	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:03:00 - [31] - Quote I was also referring to PvE.
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1118	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:23:00 - [32] - Quote IIshira wrote: Heavy drones are completely useless now. yeah, that is a little annoying... 2 set sentry drones are almost always better then bringing a set of heavies. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 725	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:34:00 - [33] - Quote Ireland VonVicious wrote: I was also referring to PvE. Beserkers are still effective v.s. angels. Garde's and curators for sentries. Still working fine. You don't have to recall the entire flight of drones. Does your ship not have guns or missiles? My RS has zero issue and my drones rarely get any aggro in L4's. Recalling one drone = 20% drone DPS loss. That's quite a bit being your main DPS. Yes the RS has missiles and the Dominix has guns but you know 4-5 unbonused weapons isn't going to do much.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 5085	Posted - 2014.03.18 12:20:00 - [34] - Quote People are still recalling drones or trying to figure out how to mount enough remote reps to afk in a drone boat? AFKing in a drone ship is easier now than before 1 small remote rep in the highs reppingn one drone, one ewar mod (I use a Damp) in the mids targeted on a structure (NOT large collidable object) belonging to the npc faction (like "guristas wall" or a npc gun sentry) and boom, no aggro on drones. I've lost exactly 2 berserkers in the last few months doing that.
Desivo Delta Visseroff Cataclysmic Paradox 137	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:51:00 - [35] - Quote Why bother even playing this game if you're not going to play the game while playing it??????? If missioning is so boring that you need to afk through it, then stop missioning and do something else in this game. If everything is boring, then just go find another hobby. What's the point?

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