Maybe playing devils advocate, maybe serious discussion point, not 100% sure myself:


What about a deployable structure with a limited range, calculated based on the the ship using x module's location, not where the target is?


Example: Structure has 100k range. Attacker is 140k away from structure, defender is 90. Attacker could still benefit from links but defender could not.

Where this might be used? Gate camp defense, tower defense? An over-arching 'I block the whole system' module, no, don' t like it at all. But a limited module.... IDK.

Why not make a module/script dictors and/or Hics (or another Ship) that negates or decrease boosts instead of prevent targets from warping.

Like a Anti-Warefare-Link-BubbleGäó.

Why not make a module/script dictors and/or Hics (or another Ship) that negates or decrease boosts instead of prevent targets from warping.

Like a Anti-Warefare-Link-BubbleGäó.

escort destroyer use number 342...jamming platform..using a module that reduces effective warfare link range to be on grid. Easier than rewriting all the warfare link code too :D (and maybe I can get my tech II algos out of it...)

With DICs/HICs, it would probably be even less acceptable. I was going along the line of thinking "If it's warfare link, it should be command ships".

Any thing along the system line would become heavy abused in empire against many groups. Specs would need to be developed to only work against those that are hostile against you otherwise there's nothing keeping someone rolling their alt in to system and shutting mining boost or all boosters in an incursion system.

Any thing along the system line would become heavy abused in empire against many groups. Specs would need to be developed to only work against those that are hostile against you otherwise there's nothing keeping someone rolling their alt in to system and shutting mining boost or all boosters in an incursion system.

Currently, command ships seem to have no counters other than probing down and driving them off. So how about a module that neutralizes command links?

Command Link Jammer I

Prerequisites: Electronic Warfare V, Warfare Link Specialist V (maybe others?)

Fitting cost: 125 MW, 75 TF

Description: This module detects broadcasts from other command modules in the system, and broadcasts a phase-inverted signal that renders other warfare links unusable. May only be mounted on command ships. Only one module may be mounted and active.

This would provide a counter in which one command ship may neutralize all others in the system, but if two such modules are activated, ALL command links in the system are rendered unusable.

What does the community think about this?

Every single one of these suggestions leaves links completely and totally unusable...

Maybe playing devils advocate, maybe serious discussion point, not 100% sure myself:


What about a deployable structure with a limited range, calculated based on the the ship using x module's location, not where the target is?


Example: Structure has 100k range. Attacker is 140k away from structure, defender is 90. Attacker could still benefit from links but defender could not.

Where this might be used? Gate camp defense, tower defense? An over-arching 'I block the whole system' module, no, don' t like it at all. But a limited module.... IDK.

The original one would only leave them fully negated if two or more jammers were active in the system. It could be argued that you'd only use it to turn the tide if you were sure the enemy couldn't counter-jam your links, but on second thought, a grid-limited link jammer would be more appropriate.

Every single one of these suggestions leaves links completely and totally unusable...

you are hitting the issue that is, iirc, hindering ccps' attempts to get even off grid boosting off the server. They want links on grid. It's just its a complex problem that the calculation spam is bit much to handle. The calculation spam being constant updating of spatial relationship of ships to boost in relation to position of the link boat.

edit: this structure would have this same issue. Granted the problem gets easier as the structure won't move like a CS. BUt...its still a complex problem.

No. Just no. Links have been shat on enough already...

Every single one of these suggestions leaves links completely and totally unusable...

You're a very sensitive soul if you think links have been severely mistreated recently.



Op success. Eve doesn't really need terrible, pants-on-head ******** buff mechanics. Maybe CCP should try to come up with some non-**** ones.

It could also be said you must be a very sensitive soul if you feel links are so 'pants-on-head ****** buff mechanics.'

Links have been nerfed a fair bit recently.

It could also be said you must be a very sensitive soul if you feel links are so 'pants-on-head ****** buff mechanics.' They're certainly not. Links have been nerfed a fair bit recently. That is factual. They've been reduced in effectiveness. They've been forced into open space. And 'unprobable' isn't a thing anymore. Very hard to probe still is, but not unprobable. All these things have directly nerfed links. Several of these changes, while not thrilling from the perspective of a command ship pilot were, even if only in hindsight, necessary. Some of them not really. But links HAVE been nerfed a fair bit recently. That's part of why this idea in the form of a 'disrupt ALL the links' is horrid, but in a small, deliberate, controlled scale, has some interesting discussion points to it.

But there would always be a minimum of two in system. Always. Regardless of weather or not either side actually brought one.

And a grid limited one would also make links worthless. If you can't actually apply the bonuses to the ships in the fight, why bother bringing them?

Sry i hate deployable ****, i want my moduls installed and used with a real human behind the keyboard.

This whole deployable stuff is only a cheese move to bump solo gameplay for the sake of more member...

My only problem with this whole idea is that we want ongrid command ships but offgrid jammers that makes no sense, there should no kind of "System Jammer" besides maybe for Cynos but anything else should be ON GRID no exceptions!

Having two in the system doesn't mean anything unless both are active. Turning the jammer on is a tactical choice, and even if the second ship counter-jams in a battle, the few minutes of upper hand the first jammer can buy their fleet some much-needed upper hand.

As for the structure, the point would be to drop it mid-fight, then burn out of its range before the enemy does (or notices), and hit their unbonused ships from afar with your bonused ones. Or just warp in a bunch of snipers. So links aren't worthless until they get countered. And when they do ... isn't the point of a counter to make the thing it's countering worthless?

But they would be active. And if neither side had one along with them, then a third party probably would. And even if, by some miracle, no-one had jammers, no-one would have links either as they'd be assuming everyone had jammers. Why risk a link T3 when it's not going to be able to do anything, at all, 90% of the time?



It wouldn't be a thing to drop mid fight. It would be a thing to drop the second you get into system.

The concept of Links is actually sound. A ship that is collecting and coordinating data, rebroadcasting it to the rest the fleet.

Data on enemy weapons, what they're firing, so how to defend against it better, what their sensor strength offensively and defensively is, triangulating hostile locations for better targetting.... A couple of the links bonuses are a bit silly, but most of them are fairly sound.

'Semi-afk alts?' No. Some times yeah, but certainly not the status quo. Why? Because command ships aren't cloaky, and a links T3 has 0 tank.

The 'Buff' you're talking about was not a buff, but a diversification

The concept of Links is actually sound. A ship that is collecting and coordinating data, rebroadcasting it to the rest the fleet.

Data on enemy weapons, what they're firing, so how to defend against it better, what their sensor strength offensively and defensively is, triangulating hostile locations for better targetting.... A couple of the links bonuses are a bit silly, but most of them are fairly sound.

if the boosting pilot actually did this, links would be amazing. buts hes actually correct when he says its just a passive aura boost...thats all it does...nothing else. at all. How about removing the link bonus and adding a ship scanner bonus, then they can start doing something closer to what ur saying they should be doing.

and i agree, semi-afk alts is def the status quo for command ships outside of tournaments. every boosting T3 ive seen is not even remotely combat viable. and command ships without links, would still be decent ships. their entire existence does not revolve around links, just like the entire existence of BC's does not revolve around links.

Which again, Milton, wasn't a buff... A mind link could only be to their max effect in 3 hulls before the change.

The fact that they can generate so much butt hurt and whining from an individual like yourself is enough in and of itself.

id agree a booster requires a degree of SP, but ability?

as a commander, he does not necessarily need to be the one making commands at all. He doesnt need to be able to see the enemy or even know they exist. hes 100% effective afk or alt tabbed.