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Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.04.25 11:56:00 - [1] In the spirit of the blaster thread of the same name, could you possibly update us on how your research into artillery fixing is going (or not going)? Particularly: as to the balance issues between 'smaller' size artilleries (250, 650, 1200) and larger sizes as to artillery fitting requirements in general, but more specifically, small and medium artillery fitting requirements *as to the general dps and tracking of artillery, again particularly small and medium artillery. Many thanks. Testy's Eve Blog!
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.04.25 11:58:00 - [2] nope they gona fix beam lasers artys are to uber i will be nice Naughty - don't discuss moderation on the forums! - Cathath
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.04.25 12:16:00 - [3] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter nope they gona fix beam lasers artys are to uber 1400mm Arty isn't bad. Its fine in fleet battles, at least. The other 5 artilleries, though.....that's another story. Testy's Eve Blog!
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.04.25 12:20:00 - [4] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: wierchas noobhunter nope they gona fix beam lasers artys are to uber 1400mm Arty isn't bad. Its fine in fleet battles, at least. The other 5 artilleries, though.....that's another story. yeah it is but artys realy need some love i will be nice Naughty - don't discuss moderation on the forums! - Cathath
Deros	Posted - 2006.04.25 12:47:00 - [5] hopefully once the test server reappears and the blaster changes are played with, we can get some love for them, cant wait for AF changes as well. D
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.04.25 13:31:00 - [6] Autocannons need looking at aswel as those sexy arties
Forsch	Posted - 2006.04.25 13:34:00 - [7] Originally by: Kaleeb Autocannons need looking at aswel as those sexy arties /agree. fitting requirements of ACs are way too low. Forsch Defender of the empire
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.04.25 13:37:00 - [8] Edited by: Testy Mctest on 25/04/2006 13:37:17 Originally by: Forsch Originally by: Kaleeb Autocannons need looking at aswel as those sexy arties /agree. fitting requirements of ACs are way too low. Oh look, its Forsch. Yay. ACs could do with some changes, notably the largest of each class. Also, ammo consumption and cap usage could do with an eye on it. However, these are by no means urgent, whereas the artillery issues are. Testy's Eve Blog!
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.04.25 13:37:00 - [9] Cant believe I said that i`m a gallente pilot ffs lol
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.04.25 13:40:00 - [10] Agreed, both could do with a look at, especially with regard to the 'useless' catagories of both top tier autocannons and bottom tier arties. sgb C6 is recruiting ... visit www.c6-eve.com or join channel c-6 for details.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.04.25 13:42:00 - [11] Originally by: smallgreenblur Agreed, both could do with a look at, especially with regard to the 'useless' catagories of both top tier autocannons and bottom tier arties. sgb High tier ACs arent useless, but only for the fact that they use less ammo than the rest. However, as AC DPS isn't fantastic, they could easily use a DPS boost to differentiate them from mid tier ACs, using the same logic as for the Tachyon boost. Testy's Eve Blog!
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.04.25 13:44:00 - [12] I was sat with Cerberix last night using quickfit and the dps of a 6x 425II temp with no damage mods was less than an apoc with 4x mega pulse II. Is quickfit wrong? If thats right its shocking.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.25 13:45:00 - [13] i have yet to see any good arguments to boost anything you say apart from clip size/amo size in arts. DPS: use the correct ammo you can incrase that considerably, your guns use near to no cap, have best burst damage[arts] fitting requirments: i havent looked into arts but AC are more than easy to fit Tracking, at 150km your -20% tracking is gona make a difference in hitting bs and crusiers? fyi iirc at past 30km all the large guns track all the other BS more than fine, so at 150km there is no problem at all AC track fine! my higher tier AC does less damage than my medium tier: this is not true at ALL, it does more dmaage, it does only slighly more damage WHEN TAKING RELAOD INTO ACCOUNT, take a look at blasters and take reload into account. if u really want boost the t2 800mm by 2% and u get exactly same as ions-neutrons and on top of all that you cant balance one system to anoter without looking the the whole picture, your ships are faster and have lower sig i dont go crying for galante ships to be made faster and have lower sig. take into account your ships are better than all other ships in terms of sig/speed thus something else about your race needs to be lower than the oterh races to compensate, AKA DPS -------------------Sig----------------------- IPO idea: give it a read, feedback wanted, thanks
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.25 13:46:00 - [14] Originally by: Kaleeb I was sat with Cerberix last night using quickfit and the dps of a 6x 425II temp with no damage mods was less than an apoc with 4x mega pulse II. Is quickfit wrong? If thats right its shocking. you are mistaken! -------------------Sig----------------------- IPO idea: give it a read, feedback wanted, thanks
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.04.25 13:50:00 - [15] Edited by: smallgreenblur on 25/04/2006 13:51:19 Originally by: Gronsak i have yet to see any good arguments to boost anything you say apart from clip size/amo size in arts. DPS: use the correct ammo you can incrase that considerably, your guns use near to no cap, have best burst damage[arts] fitting requirments: i havent looked into arts but AC are more than easy to fit Tracking, at 150km your -20% tracking is gona make a difference in hitting bs and crusiers? fyi iirc at past 30km all the large guns track all the other BS more than fine, so at 150km there is no problem at all AC track fine! my higher tier AC does less damage than my medium tier: this is not true at ALL, it does more dmaage, it does only slighly more damage WHEN TAKING RELAOD INTO ACCOUNT, take a look at blasters and take reload into account. if u really want boost the t2 800mm by 2% and u get exactly same as ions-neutrons and on top of all that you cant balance one system to anoter without looking the the whole picture, your ships are faster and have lower sig i dont go crying for galante ships to be made faster and have lower sig. take into account your ships are better than all other ships in terms of sig/speed thus something else about your race needs to be lower than the oterh races to compensate, AKA DPS Can you check the actual issues here? The problem is with low tier arties, they are useless. Try using them and you'll see why. Top tier autos i would be very very happy to see a boost in clip size and a 2% increase in damage, to put them in line with the other 2 tiers. Tracking is not really an issue with minmatar, we accept that we are not going to hit things with arties and we use our falloff effectively in autocannons. DPS - well we have t2 ammo which only gives us the choice of exp and kin damage. We can also switch to emp for less overall damage but better emp. We can also switch to phased plasma for even less overall damage but more thermal. None of that changes the fact you are accepting a good 20% dps reduction in the hope that the person you are fighting doesn't have the big gap in his resistances filled. Edit: not to mention the 10-12 second loss of firing time to reload in the middle of a battle... Unless you fly minmatar ships, and i believe you are an ammar specialist, it is very easy to look at the pros and none of the cons. Please try and see this from both sides of the argument, as i have for blasters and tachs. sgb C6 is recruiting ... visit www.c6-eve.com or join channel c-6 for details.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.04.25 13:51:00 - [16] Originally by: Gronsak i have yet to see any good arguments to boost anything you say apart from clip size/amo size in arts. DPS: use the correct ammo you can incrase that considerably, your guns use near to no cap, have best burst damage[arts] fitting requirments: i havent looked into arts but AC are more than easy to fit Tracking, at 150km your -20% tracking is gona make a difference in hitting bs and crusiers? fyi iirc at past 30km all the large guns track all the other BS more than fine, so at 150km there is no problem at all AC track fine! my higher tier AC does less damage than my medium tier: this is not true at ALL, it does more dmaage, it does only slighly more damage WHEN TAKING RELAOD INTO ACCOUNT, take a look at blasters and take reload into account. if u really want boost the t2 800mm by 2% and u get exactly same as ions-neutrons and on top of all that you cant balance one system to anoter without looking the the whole picture, your ships are faster and have lower sig i dont go crying for galante ships to be made faster and have lower sig. take into account your ships are better than all other ships in terms of sig/speed thus something else about your race needs to be lower than the oterh races to compensate, AKA DPS I quite know all of your points already. However, for some reason you seem to think that if anything else ever gets looked at, then blasters wont, and hence you proceed to troll every thread involving balance of anything but blasters. Also, please read properly. I dont mention fitting changes for acs, tracking changes for acs, or most of the things that you mention. This thread is primarily about artillery. We've had all the arguments and the stats before, and Tux has replied before and acknowledged one of the major threads. I'd just like to know how/if he's getting on with it, and think it'd be fair to see arty changes at the same time as the blaster changes, if any, since they both need loving equally. Testy's Eve Blog!
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.04.25 13:52:00 - [17] Keeping us poor minnies informed ftw :) sgb C6 is recruiting ... visit www.c6-eve.com or join channel c-6 for details.
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2006.04.25 13:56:00 - [18] I would certainly like to see the 'oversized' versions of weapons in the medium/large classes, operate at a lower tracking speed/sig radius than the others.
Forsch	Posted - 2006.04.25 14:44:00 - [19] Originally by: Testy Mctest Oh look, its Forsch. Yay. I just couldn't resist. Free bump for my friend Testy. Forsch Defender of the empire
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.04.25 14:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Forsch Originally by: Testy Mctest Oh look, its Forsch. Yay. I just couldn't resist. Free bump for my friend Testy. I'd rather have you than Gronsak :) Testy's Eve Blog!

Tuxford	Posted - 2006.04.25 15:06:00 - [21] *Tuxford advises all to put on flame retardant suit because here comes the flames Haven't really started with artilleries. One thing I have noticed that the 250mm artillery look lot worse compared to 280mm howitzers than 125mm rails look compared to 150mm rails. The tracking is a bit crappy as well but its supposed to be crappy. The real question is, is it too crappy. I also removed all cap need from projectiles OMGOVERPOWEREDYARR!!!11111 we'll see if it sticks. _______________

SengH	Posted - 2006.04.25 15:07:00 - [22] Originally by: Tuxford *Tuxford advises all to put on flame retardant suit because here comes the flames Haven't really started with artilleries. One thing I have noticed that the 250mm artillery look lot worse compared to 280mm howitzers than 125mm rails look compared to 150mm rails. The tracking is a bit crappy as well but its supposed to be crappy. The real question is, is it too crappy. I also removed all cap need from projectiles OMGOVERPOWEREDYARR!!!11111 we'll see if it sticks. Omg... my ac tempest/ slepnir thanks you....
keepiru	Posted - 2006.04.25 15:10:00 - [23] Originally by: Tuxford I also removed all cap need from projectiles OMGOVERPOWEREDYARR!!!11111 we'll see if it sticks. Bows tears of happyness ---------------- Official ISD cake & bree reserve thief. Barricades a speciality! Last stands on request.
Reatu Krentor	Posted - 2006.04.25 15:11:00 - [24] Originally by: Tuxford *Tuxford advises all to put on flame retardant suit because here comes the flames Haven't really started with artilleries. One thing I have noticed that the 250mm artillery look lot worse compared to 280mm howitzers than 125mm rails look compared to 150mm rails. The tracking is a bit crappy as well but its supposed to be crappy. The real question is, is it too crappy. I also removed all cap need from projectiles OMGOVERPOWEREDYARR!!!11111 we'll see if it sticks. do you mean that none of the projectile turrets will have cap use, like launchers are atm? if yes, great, I wouldn't mind even if all projectiles would use cap, just not like now where small don't and the others do (as well as being the same across all in the same size) - phew! dodged the mods on this sig!
Zendor	Posted - 2006.04.25 15:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Tuxford I also removed all cap need from projectiles OMGOVERPOWEREDYARR!!!11111 we'll see if it sticks.
Forsch	Posted - 2006.04.25 15:19:00 - [26] Originally by: Tuxford I also removed all cap need from projectiles OMGOVERPOWEREDYARR!!!11111 we'll see if it sticks. uuuhh.... what? Forsch Defender of the empire
Nafri	Posted - 2006.04.25 15:20:00 - [27] ehh, the cap need was the last thing which had to go Jawas are lousy carebears :(
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.04.25 15:23:00 - [28] "uuuhh.... what? " Typhoon prices are gonna go up... :s
Reatu Krentor	Posted - 2006.04.25 15:26:00 - [29] Originally by: j0sephine "uuuhh.... what? " Typhoon prices are gonna go up... :s yay, flavvah of the month goes to minnies for a change - phew! dodged the mods on this sig!
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2006.04.25 15:30:00 - [30] So Hybrid/Laser users get screwed?

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