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Posted - 2006.04.25 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Obmud on 25/04/2006 12:28:21
The following quotes are from my petition i had issued. This topic some of you might remember:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=326030&sid=777680407
This crap is just ******* ridicoulos. Theres absolutely no reason why i would have had intentions to friggin destroy all of my implants, besides that was not the first jump i did... I'm so annoyed i could even start to play WoW again. And THATS capital annoyance. I feel like rabbling at the moment, i lost days, implants and arg.. i don't know
Edited by: Obmud on 25/04/2006 12:27:31
[Summed Up GM Response, since not allowed to post GM responses]
"It's not a bug. No reimbursement"
Update from me today:
It's nice from you that you point towards the knowledge article, but I didn't know that firstly and you cannot expect anyone to read it over every other action he does but it wont matter anyway. However you refer to a popped up message. As i wrote i was in skill training while i wanted to jump to my clone, so the message popped up that i have to cancel the training. I did. Then i jumped. NOTHING happend. As i wrote, normally if you jump there is either a warning OR you jump and end up outside of any ship. Correct me if i'm wrong but i'm very sure that i did NOT click a second message of any kind NOR did i end up somewhere else, just nothing happend not even the game got locked up for various seconds as it usually does. I'm very certain of this.
Anyway who in the world would for WHAT reason ever destroy a clone with implants on it with a clone with no implants regardless their worth ?
I'm for 2 months, almost 3 in this game and as you can imagine since i'm not one of those that buys his ISK from ebay this is alot of cash. But i guess this leaves me in the position of loss since i cannot prove anything because i'm not really running fraps all the time. Besides the question remains, how in the world ever would replace his full clone with an empty one. Whatever i'm slightly ****ed right now. I feel like i wasted weeks of play right now for just something terribly stupid and unlogic.
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Posted - 2006.04.25 12:32:00 -
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Quote:
"Then i jumped. NOTHING happend. As i wrote, normally if you jump there is either a warning OR you jump and end up outside of any ship."
Working as intended ? I guess no. But still.
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Posted - 2006.04.25 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Obmud on 25/04/2006 12:37:14
 Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Urr not really sure what your saying tbh...
But.. HUMAN ERROR does occur in many many situations ! Regardless of how stupid.
What kind of a sane rational person would self destruct their tech II ship ! I could petition and say "why did I do that eh ? it was bugged I told it to stop and it didn't" blatent lies lol, I was drunk. But hopefully you see my point 
Its not what you know its what you can prove 
Alliaanna
You are completely right on this. Thats why i'm ****ed. I'm actually not blaming anyone. it's just worth to get into the discussion if it has ANY sense to leave the possibility to jump in the same station. Why do you even enable that feature ? Make the people destroy their old if they want to be sure or whatever. But 200 mill or even more if you have +4 imps just depending on one click or missclick (who reads after 100 jumps whats in that box popping up, you think anyway its the skill mesage).
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Posted - 2006.04.25 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lebowske
Edited by: Lebowske on 25/04/2006 12:59:39
Sorry to hear.
You deserve some sympathy - no doubt - but you can play this game 2 ways ..
... either you go face the bull, each and every time you try something new, head first ..
or you can do a little research before you try new things.
These issues have been talked about on the forums - it's been linked in sticky threads - it's listed in the FAQ's.
Especially with expensive items as your implants - or in later cases, expensive ships - you should do a little research. ;)
I agree - it's totally bull that the mechanism work this way, let's hope it changes in the future - but as of now the GM's are right. It's an user error.
GL in the future, let's hope you get something out if this :)
Thx, i'm a very active forum user and do a lot of research, it's still silly that i should be able to cover everything... thats just wishthinking. It's happend so fast...
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Posted - 2006.04.25 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Syrec
If there's no reason a person would jump to the same station, destroying a superior clone, then it shouldn't be possible. Then again; it's possible for a newbie to start with tons of charisma and no perception only to realize a month later that they have to reroll. Imo, it's not good gameplay to allow players to screw themselves over on new things that they aren't clearly informed about.
That's exactly what i'm talking about.
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Posted - 2006.04.25 15:13:00 -
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Oh now it starts to get interesting, now it's my harsh tone.
To clear some things up. My first petition ingame was very friendly and on topic, i even stated that i fully understand if they have to much load for customers dealing with bugs atm so i could wait.
The System was out of work, thus killing the whole text I wrote.
My initial approach was the ingamethread i wrote. And from that i think it is understandable that I got angry. I never blamed a GM or whoever directly i just said that i'm annoyed. Now every former gm comes out of his stone and trolls about how i wrote it ? Yeah i've been in the customer support to, and it still doesn't matter. Atm i have an issue, I didn't blame the GM, IF i blame anyone then it's the game mechanics to allow such a stupid thing. Don't tell me a GM feels attacked by pointing to game mechanics. So thank you for pushing the buttons even further with your very well ment comments about my sound of mail. I'm looking forward for more former-experts-by-support, but that was simply not my question in this thread.
And BTW if you treat Customers different just because they ask nicely you're doing bad support, that goes to the 2 people that might know it better. Either you stick to a corps policy on how you reimburse or not. You are certainly not the one that has to judge wether some1s anger is right or not. The art of support is to look behind anger if there is any.
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Posted - 2006.04.25 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
There should be a warning at all times when clonejumping that doing so to the same destionation you're in will terminate the clone tucked away there and all its probable implants.
Hey we're getting to the point. I am saying that i didn't get any warning. GM says there is one. Now what ? Because of the question if there will be one or not i'm the one thats losing. It's not like losing a ship or something because you could never really recreate on what really happened. In my and many other peoples cases like this here there is NO reason in the world or possibility you could use that mechanic to abuse anything or have an advantage over others. Thats all.
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Posted - 2006.04.25 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dugan Lee
Originally by: Obmud
And BTW if you treat Customers different just because they ask nicely you're doing bad support, that goes to the 2 people that might know it better. Either you stick to a corps policy on how you reimburse or not. You are certainly not the one that has to judge whether some1s anger is right or not. The art of support is to look behind anger if there is any.
Sorry - I just don't have the motivation to go to bat for a cust who can't control their anger. I like to reward nice people, not jerks.
Keep in mind that this is if the problem is their fault, like a completely incorrect address or bad billing information. Companies aren't obligated to take financial hits because someone doesn't know how to use the internet, but we do in most cases (cause usually people are pretty cool).
If it's our fault they can get as mad as they want and I'll hook em up to the best of my abilities.
If you call what I do bad CS then so be it.
You seem to forget that you are not there to reward people, you are there to solve problems. Take it personal if you like. Second, i was not offending anyway in my mails, even if you try to interprete it that way. CCP Support has always been on topic in their support and it has always been good so far when i needed it, although i don't get whats happening here.
The question still remains. Is it logic if you clone JUMP (jumping means you go from A to B) that your CURRENT body replaces the other ? I say no.
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Posted - 2006.04.25 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mort Sinious
Well, I have a perfectly ane reason why I would clonejump into the same station:
I could have a multi bilion implant clone (wich i unfortunalety have not ) and a simple expandable clone. Now I decide to go out hunting and switch from my expensive clone to my expandable one. One goes to the closet the other comes out. Why not?
So, yes EVE doesn't function that way. But dont say it has to be stupidity to try a clonejump within sam station.
That was actually what i was doing, i think everyone agrees on that :) The problem was, who would replace one WITH implants with one thats empty ? Makes no sense since implants are not limiting you in any way.
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: turnschuh
poor GMs, need to read all that whining :(
why do you flame GMs?
where do i flame them ?
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kylania
Edited by: Kylania on 25/04/2006 15:59:29
Originally by: Obmud
The question still remains. Is it logic if you clone JUMP (jumping means you go from A to B) that your CURRENT body replaces the other ? I say no.
It has nothing to do with logic. You assumed you knew how the system would work but didn't take the time to actually learn how the system actually worked.
I understand you're angry at yourself for not researching and fully understanding a new feature before using it, especially when the cost was your implants, but the fact remains is that by not paying attention and not reading the patch notes and sticky thread about the issue, you allowed this to happen. It's perfectly acceptable to expect a player to read information made available to them.
Edit: And yes, the way it works is "plain foolish", and it really shouldn't work that way. However the warnings about same station jumps have been out there for months.
At least now you know, and as Duke would say "Knowing is half the battle!" 
I understand most of what you write but i still think you cannot always make people assume to know everything, sometimes the system has to limit possibilities to avoid "stupid" things. If we go your way you would agree with me that you read the license agreement of every software EVERYTIME you install it, right ? Which is just a small example because eve offers a FAR bigger range of possibilites on what to do and what not.
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Posted - 2006.04.25 17:12:00 -
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It heated further up because the petition system ate my whole text.... :(
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