Do you know why it's called farming? Because farming is hard work, long and boring.

Farming has to be hard work and long, but it doesn't have to be boring. There is a delicate balance to find between a completely repetitive, boring gameplay which can be 100% optimized, and an unpredictable, funnier gameplay which is too random to be turned into a solid farming method.

I don't necessarily agree with all the OP's suggestions but I don't think the desire to make ISK farming less dull is wrong.

There are really smart NPC that run from planet to planet that you need to scan down already. They are called players.

Courier contracts in low with gate camps and things sounds great. It exists and are normal lowsec courier contracts.

Conclusion: OP wants to do PvP in EvE, but is afraid of people. Lets help him.

Yea, I think that all PVE mission and complexes are boring really fast in a dread and 20 billion corp mates.

You want more challenge in complexes and missions?

Make it so by not flying dread and fly assault ship instead. PVE now is challenging.

Yea, I think that all PVE mission and complexes are boring really fast in a dread and 20 billion corp mates.

You want more challenge in complexes and missions?

Make it so by not flying dread and fly assault ship instead. PVE now is challenging.

The Ratio ISK/hour is also important. You should not have to restrain yourself to make the game more challenging.

you like farming
you want it to be more interesting
you like high isk/hour

Get more accounts and do simultaneous farming.

Since when do complex and mission runners get paid per hour?

What idiot came up with that idea?

You get paid per job / activity not per hour.

Simply add one new L2 l3 and l4 mission a month and a new arc every release, and before you know it there will be so much more content.

Certainly there is a limit to how much fun one can get from pve activities,while there is a need for a comprehensive overhaul with new content, this can be done step by step as well, simply adding level 2 and 3 arcs, ccp could help ensure new player retention, the sisters of eve(bloodstained Stars) is excellent, and after that's done? Not so much left until the player gets much more capable.

Simply add one new L2 l3 and l4 mission a month and a new arc every release, and before you know it there will be so much more content.
Don't just ignore it while you are waiting for the time to do a major revamp.

seriously?

Why? A gradual influx of new content could hardly be a bad thing...

I think he's talking about the time commitment and feasibility though. You can only spice up 'Shoot red crosses' so much before it's just a different combination of X, Y, Z.

Fleshing Eve's story is not bad at all. But 3 new missions a month is alot, especially for how long CCP takes to do most things.

One mission a month with racial variations isn't a huge undertaking.

You're talking about designing a mission, finding ways to not just make it 'Shoot red crosses version 11.0!(As that was the point behind new missions, variety on the old)' and then balancing them across all NPC variants that mission will pertain to. Then bug testing them as well. Yeah... that is a fair bit of work. Maybe the first 3 or 4 would happen quickly.... but how many could you do before again, it's just the same things you've been doing in different order?

Yes, new story elements are always welcome. But rushed designs not so much.

If you're just after a different blend of the same old, then no, that's probably not a huge task, but still not one that should be rushed. Dread Pirate Scarlet is a newer mission, and is pretty fun, as far as missions go. But ultimately it won't really alleviate the problem here, as after the first time or two running it, it will just become part of the grind.

Since when do complex and mission runners get paid per hour?

What idiot came up with that idea?

You get paid per job / activity not per hour.

I think he's talking about the time commitment and feasibility though. You can only spice up 'Shoot red crosses' so much before it's just a different combination of X, Y, Z.


Fleshing Eve's story is not bad at all. But 3 new missions a month is alot, especially for how long CCP takes to do most things.

I spend lot of time to farm.
I think it is a priority to change the game mechanics of anomalies farming, missions farming and even mining.
We spend lot of time in these activites. They should be more interestening to do.
The mini game in relic and data sites was based on this idea. It was a good idea even if I think it is too much based on luck and good skills than cognitive abilities.
PVE should be more PVP like fights, less hostiles but with Tackler frigs, DPS BC and BS, control and a Boss that is fleeing if he is not tackled...
Some NPCs could run away from planets to planets in the same system and you would have to scan them and tackle them to kill them (really interestening otpion in highsec where the NPC could not be engage without a kill right by others players)

Courrier missions could be more rewarding but with Low Secs waypoints and NPCs that gate camping some gate and yes these NPCs could tackle other players and also killed by them though. (Each time someone take a courrier mission some low bounty rewarding NPC would come on a gate on the way if there is not already NPC ont this gate... Of course you can can imagine players that would take Courrier missions only to make these NPC pop. But as it is not on the same gate each time and the courrier could change the destination each time it is not really a problem. To avoid abuse a character could only have one courrier mission at a time...

In fact the is lot of possibilities to make the farm more interestening.

it is the same for mining where it could be possible to create a mini game that would increase your mining yield if you do it well and reduce it if you don't bother with it and afk mining with 10 accounts...

Agree that pve is boring.I would like to be more challenging and you could fight random bosses that would have PVP fits and you might lose you shiny ship.A lot of times have been suggested PVP missions which would be so cool.Imagine something like this:You register for a level 4 PVP mission and wait for the next respond.You join with a frigate but wait the opponent brought a battlescruiser which he is not afraid to lose!And for this to make it balanced and all systems have population CCP could add some jumps in your mission,tags and point system/or winning table points to be more fair or if this unfair then levels of missions would allow certain ships like now security missions have .Even though tag team fights and missions!

As I have said I think that PVP and PVE should be linked yes.
It is a shame that you did not read.

Modular would be the way to go with this:

Create table Missions - Contains missions title and description

Create table Rooms: - Templates for rooms including debris, ore, buildings etc

Create table Rats - List of possible factions with recommended mission level, likely chance of appearing etc

any other table I missed as I'm not thinking hard about it

A mission is drawn from the mission table, the level is used to generate the rooms and rats drawn for the mission. The number of rooms and rats is skewed by the mission level, with the lowish chance that a rat from the next mission level up can appear.

Because the generator uses tables to derive the mission it is then simple to add new rows into the tables for new mission content without changing the mission generation code again.

Also I think the rats should occasionally run with PvP AI just to keep it interesting. There should also be harder missions where the rats are all PvP like (very small scale incursion missions effectively). The mission runner would be notified of the dangerous nature of the target so they get the choice whether to run the mission or not.

I probably missed loads of stuff but you get the idea

I absolutely agree that the whole of PVE in eve in all areas of space needs a major revamp.
I think we all agree that CCP will need to spend considerable effort to do that.
I am not suggesting this instead of the work we all know needs to be done, but if nothing at all comes out as fresh content at all while we are waiting, there is a brick wall for new players, once after doing the sisters of eve arc and running through the missions there is nothing until the L4 arcs and cosmos missions.
While there are also combat sites, there is not much play value there at the moment, it is either limited or just plain broken.

So even 1 of each level mission a month would be something, makes it a little fresher, and a L2 and L3 arc if time allows would pay back very quickly in new player retention.

While many players love PvP and start within days, many do not for many reasons, not because they are afraid or "needing to be converted" as some believe, it is a playstyle that suits many players, they do not WANT to be converted. And without content, what is there for those players

For those who say let them play WOW or hello kitty online, CCP may disagree, they not only want, but also need their money to allow PVP players to have a game at all.

So It is in everyones interest to have more content in the game, even if it is not of interest to us all. When retention improves, Then CCP can spare the resources to give us better and more interesting content as well.

are u saying CCP should take away efforts from the PvP side of eve and just create more content for WoW players? and that the PvP players should be thankful to WoW players that they have a game at all?

do u also wear ur pants on ur head?

if u hit a 'brick wall' when PvE'ing then try something else. oh i dunno, maybe PvP? after all this is a PvP centric game where the players create their own content and stories. if u dnt like that, what on earth got u into EVE?

So even 1 of each level mission a month would be something, makes it a little fresher, and a L2 and L3 arc if time allows would pay back very quickly in new player retention.

For those who say let them play WOW or hello kitty online, CCP may disagree, they not only want, but also need their money to allow PVP players to have a game at all.

are u saying CCP should take away efforts from the PvP side of eve and just create more content for WoW players? and that the PvP players should be thankful to WoW players that they have a game at all?

do u also wear ur pants on ur head?

if u hit a 'brick wall' when PvE'ing then try something else. oh i dunno, maybe PvP? after all this is a PvP centric game where the players create their own content and stories. if u dnt like that, what on earth got u into EVE?

Asked if ppl wanted rats to be more interesting, and how they would like them to be more interesting.

got told boring and easy rats are good.

Reducing the gap between PvE and PvP: Rats