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Del ReyII
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Posted - 2006.04.26 15:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Gronsak
thanks all for the comments and suggestions
i guess the only way to find out if investers will put isk into this idea is to actually do the IPO
i will be offering an IPO this friday so hope ill see some of you buying shares :P
any questions just mail me ingame or post here
Wish you all the best, it look like a solid plan.
I can see 90day etc's going up in isk price, and think of the reallife money : $800 transfer fees + (ETC seller reallife money) 240x$34= $8160 (if they can even get them for $34)
Couldnt you plan so that you make use of offline training and do it with 30day etc's, 30days on 20days off or something like that.
Oh yea... checking R&D would be an issue then. (Just clicked as I was typing)
I admire your commitment, I nearly went mad training + getting standing up on 4 characters, not to mention the mental toll of 40 characters
I know everystep above is approved by CCP, but on this scale, would it not be prudent to get the ok from mods on this?
It probably just me, but my mind would be put at ease if I got the ok before starting a venture like this. Just a thought.
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DeODokktor
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Posted - 2006.04.26 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Del ReyII
Wish you all the best, it look like a solid plan.
I can see 90day etc's going up in isk price, and think of the reallife money : $800 transfer fees + (ETC seller reallife money) 240x$34= $8160 (if they can even get them for $34)
Couldnt you plan so that you make use of offline training and do it with 30day etc's, 30days on 20days off or something like that. this?
I like the account frozen training idea (I know a lot of people who use it now)
Your best buying 1y timecards
at the current prices for 100 day cards, a 1y card will run around 2.4m per day..
I say it's an okay idea..
it has 2 problems
1) it's 18 months
2) in 18 months will people want these chars.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: DeODokktor
I say it's an okay idea..
it has 2 problems
1) it's 18 months
2) in 18 months will people want these chars.
about ofline time, yeh i was thinking about that but at most i can use the ofline training to add 6days since i have to check for BPOs
but within the time period it could save 1months worth of gtc perhaps 6weeks so it may be worth doing
Originally by: Del ReyII
I know everystep above is approved by CCP, but on this scale, would it not be prudent to get the ok from mods on this?
It probably just me, but my mind would be put at ease if I got the ok before starting a venture like this. Just a thought.
i will ask via the ask a question feuture and try get it posted here :P [if any mods reading this and want to save me time just post :P]
thanks for that
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.04.27 01:01:00 -
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bump of the day [why i bump at 1am when no one reads the forums though is another question ]
a better written out thred will be placed on sell forum, and shares will start being offered to the public from 28th april. with the view of selling all shares in as short a time as pobbible
if ipo is fruitful then the training program will start within a week of final share sale.
please post any ideas comments you have about this idea
thanks
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2006.04.27 01:19:00 -
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Why are you burning money, go spend it on something useful?
800 dollars on a game is retarded.
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Rael Anshak
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Posted - 2006.04.27 01:30:00 -
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The main problem i see with this plan is that when 18 months comes and you do your firesale of 40 characters. You wont be selling them at the premium prices perfect pvp chars get these days because you will be flooding the market. The reason perfect pvp chars fetch so much is because they rarely come on the forums.
So when 40 of your chars hit the forums, first off you wont have 40 people in the market and they wont be wiling to pay the premiums your expecting.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.04.27 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Neon Genesis
Why are you burning money, go spend it on something useful?
800 dollars on a game is retarded.
you currently spend $15 a month thus $270 in 18months. lots of people have dual account making them pay $540, id be paying the equiv of 3 accounts and i know many ppl who have 3 seperate accounts not to mention i get 18months of play with 40alts
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.04.27 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Rael Anshak
The main problem i see with this plan is that when 18 months comes and you do your firesale of 40 characters. You wont be selling them at the premium prices perfect pvp chars get these days because you will be flooding the market. The reason perfect pvp chars fetch so much is because they rarely come on the forums.
So when 40 of your chars hit the forums, first off you wont have 40 people in the market and they wont be wiling to pay the premiums your expecting.
i will be advertising few months before the chars go up for sale with the intent that people decide the highly skilled pvpers are worth waiting for. and they will be sold over a 2month period. and you right if i put all 40up on the same day no ones gona bid much.
and imo in 18months time there will be people wanting alts that can use other races ships very well, also the new players in the game will want to upgrade
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Devian
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Posted - 2006.04.27 07:55:00 -
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Logically I don't think that this is realistic. It could take you months just to buy all the GTCs. You have to compete with everyone else who wants them. One person can't possibly train 40 characters at the same time especially in the beginning when training times are very short. There will be many instances where most of the characters will not be training at all especially if you plan on sleeping. Having to log in and log out of 40 accounts could take hours. What happens when there is lag or when Eve crashes or is down for maintanance or when you lose internet access? What if you have to work or go on vacation or do other rl stuff?
It will take several months to sell all the characters to maxamize the profit. In theory this may sound good but in practice I don't see it happening, especially not in 18 months.
Good luck anyway
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Agif
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Posted - 2006.04.27 09:19:00 -
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I forsee a rise in timecard prices when people know how much you need them and how many you need when this goes live on the sell thread.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.04.27 10:46:00 -
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any buyers yet? Ultra long investment though.
Isn't that like an 87 billion isk IPO?
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Happydayz
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Posted - 2006.04.27 11:17:00 -
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An 18 month horizon for an investment?
Who's to say that you will still be an active player after 18 months? The average eve lifespan is only 7.
Also, how many characters have you been responsible for training at one time? Given the way you nonchalantly dismiss the difficulty in training 40 characters I assume that you've only had to deal with a handful of alts at most.
Plus, the whole grinding +5 standings for 40 characters in only one month.
Honestly, with the amount of effort your putting into this you would get far higher returns doing normal activities like ratting or mining. Your other investors are also taking enormous risks by tying down their capital for 18 months on an investment that is offering a rate of return far below what else can be found on the market
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.04.27 11:25:00 -
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Firstly, getting from 0 to 6 standing is possible in a week. Check the link in my sig for a rather gimped character alt way of doing so.
But honestly, taking even a couple characters to 6 standing is SO BORING. If the OP is commited, then I do not see this to be an issue.
40 Chars = 40 weeks. But then again, even if he is using lvl3 research agents insted of lvl4 agents, the point is you make profit even if there is no BPO's drop.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki
any buyers yet? Ultra long investment though.
Isn't that like an 87 billion isk IPO?
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the first post said that no shares would be sold until 28th of this month,
and yes the IPO requires a lot of isk but its returns are higher than that of a t2 BPO [if you buy your bpo for the price of 12months return which seems to be the case]
and to the rest, the BULK of the profit is from char resale, the BPOs are just an added bonous, whihc could yield no isk or many bilions of isk
IPO will be started in a few hours, and becase of the EXTRAMLY large IPO i dont think all the shares will be sold, so the idea will be modiefied slighly and the capital required will be much lower
basicly the 40char will be put down to 10 characters, yet a system will be used that will still pull in roughly 50k RP
please do look for the IPO in a few hours
and i hope i see some interest in this
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MasterTao
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Posted - 2006.04.28 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: MasterTao on 28/04/2006 18:52:15
That's gonna be a lot of missions u will be doing... are you sure you have time to do that in a timely matter for your plan to work? Not to mention how boring your game time will be.
It will take u more than a week for each character. Note not all R&D have pure kill agents and i'm sure u won't have max charisma.
You are a student, how many hour a day can u play?
What kind of skill training plan u have in mind? Obviously u can't start out doing 3 month of learning skills cause u want R&D. And then if not, is 27.5m SP that you are aiming for feasible?
I just finished trainig my r&d alt and it took me a little over 1 month for the relevant skills to finish. Started with science 5 off the bat too.
So what are your plans of training? learning skills? social skills?
Also not many corps have 5 top quality lvl 4 R&D agents. Take that into consideration. If your raising only 1 corp's standing, then realisticly you gonna have to settle for some lvl 3s if you aiming for 5 agents.
and $200 for 5.5b isk at end of 18 month... well that's for you to decide wether it is worth your time and money.
It's doable, but the sacrifice and time your gonna have to put in is A LOT. And your gonna have to do it for a a few month at least.
I will be interested to see how this goes. Idea is good, but to pull it off require a lot more effort than ordinary.
GL
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.04.28 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: MasterTao
Edited by: MasterTao on 28/04/2006 18:52:15
That's gonna be a lot of missions u will be doing... are you sure you have time to do that in a timely matter for your plan to work? Not to mention how boring your game time will be.
It will take u more than a week for each character. Note not all R&D have pure kill agents and i'm sure u won't have max charisma.
You are a student, how many hour a day can u play?
What kind of skill training plan u have in mind? Obviously u can't start out doing 3 month of learning skills cause u want R&D. And then if not, is 27.5m SP that you are aiming for feasible?
I just finished trainig my r&d alt and it took me a little over 1 month for the relevant skills to finish. Started with science 5 off the bat too.
So what are your plans of training? learning skills? social skills?
Also not many corps have 5 top quality lvl 4 R&D agents. Take that into consideration. If your raising only 1 corp's standing, then realisticly you gonna have to settle for some lvl 3s if you aiming for 5 agents.
and $200 for 5.5b isk at end of 18 month... well that's for you to decide wether it is worth your time and money.
It's doable, but the sacrifice and time your gonna have to put in is A LOT. And your gonna have to do it for a a few month at least.
I will be interested to see how this goes. Idea is good, but to pull it off require a lot more effort than ordinary.
GL
well being a studnet, means i have about 4months off from mid june to late september of totally free time so time for standings isnt gona be a problem. after that i wount have much time but once standings are sorted and the short time learning skills the rest doesnt require too much time spent on it
yes many corps dont have many lvl 4 agents, but on average the points will be higher than 225RP a day per agent, also the builk of the isk returns is from char sales and not BPOs which is just a bonous.
training was going to be all learning skills bar charisma to advanced level 4. charisma will be taken to basic 4
then a few social skills be be trained trained but it wount be more than 150k points so its less than a week even with extramly low charisma.
after that the rest of the skills will be pvp related.
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