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Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.25 15:08:00 - [1] Edited by: Gronsak on 25/04/2006 15:08:18 Character Training Program û IPO Business Plan: Capital raised from IPO will be used to buy 240 90day GTC 40 New Accounts will be Started and payed for VIA GTC for 18months The best possible PVP attributes will be picked from the races avalable +3 implants will be bought and pluged into each character learining skills will all be trained to lvl 5, advanced learning to lvl 4 the skills to use 5 reserch agents will be trained [less than 1mil SP] Standings increased on all characters to use 5x lvl 4 R&D agnets Skills then trained for all things PVP related! 18months down the line char will be auctioned off on forums, each char will have 27.5mil SP roughly and it is estimated will sell for 5.5bil isk each Characters will be even mix of galante/amarr/minimatar skill trained if R&D agent is fruitfull the bpo will be auctioned off and a devidant payed thaat month! A burst deidant will be payed at the end of the 18months after the sale of the characters Shares: Total shares: 5000 Shares available: 4500 Price per share: 17,500,000 ISK Monthly dividends: Unknown/dependant on reserch agents! 18month devident will be of the order of 220+bil isk! Shares will be fore sale starting Friday 28th Large Shareholder benefits: Top 40 share holders will be given the option to name one Character each please see This thred and post comments, suggestions, questions there. thank you -------------------Sig----------------------- IPO idea: give it a read, feedback wanted, thanks
Exelsior	Posted - 2006.04.25 15:09:00 - [2] Edited by: Exelsior on 25/04/2006 15:09:33 Nice idea :) Definetely original. Thou shalt be dispatched.
zoturi	Posted - 2006.04.25 15:10:00 - [3] 40 accounts thats a lot
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.25 15:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Exelsior Edited by: Exelsior on 25/04/2006 15:09:33 Nice idea :) Definetely original. thank you Originally by: zoturi 40 accounts thats a lot yes it is but it means at the end of this training program there will be 40 new players in eve with a good high level char which will probably keep them in the game longer. -------------------Sig----------------------- IPO idea: give it a read, feedback wanted, thanks
Skogul	Posted - 2006.04.25 15:14:00 - [5] Good idea i think. You going to be using character manager then Seriously thinking of investing, so i may be in touch. Regards
without	Posted - 2006.04.25 15:18:00 - [6] Edited by: without on 25/04/2006 15:19:04 Originally by: Skogul Good idea i think. You going to be using character manager then Seriously thinking of investing, so i may be in touch. Regards thanks, just so people know this is my alt [without being the alt] who i spend 10% perhaps of my time on, my main gron i spend 90% of my time on: also linky on my sig will take you to a part of the forums with some questions/answers, also evemailing gronsak my main will get answers or just convo eiter without or gron and just for a little extra info, without will be ceo of the corp all the new char will be placed in since he has the skills for it edit: linky on grons sig rather
Soba Seki	Posted - 2006.04.25 18:07:00 - [7] I hope this works so in 18 months I can buy an alt super cheap when you flood the market with 40 characters.
Trina Tron	Posted - 2006.04.25 18:13:00 - [8] um your going to pay the 800 in xfer fees?
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.25 18:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Trina Tron um your going to pay the 800 in xfer fees? yep, linky on my sig has a bit more info $800 dollars and hard work put in but i get 500 of the 5000 shares or 10% of the corp it also means i get 40 alts for the duration of the time, so its worth it imo -------------------Sig----------------------- IPO idea: give it a read, feedback wanted, thanks
Exelsior	Posted - 2006.04.25 18:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Trina Tron um your going to pay the 800 in xfer fees? yep, linky on my sig has a bit more info $800 dollars and hard work put in but i get 500 of the 5000 shares or 10% of the corp it also means i get 40 alts for the duration of the time, so its worth it imo If in theory you had a computer capable of running 40 accounts, just imagine how complicated multitasking would be Doesn't mean u have to multitask, but just think about alt-tabbing out of all of them. You could have your own pvp fleet even Thou shalt be dispatched.
Andrea Jaruwalski	Posted - 2006.04.25 18:40:00 - [11] there is absolutly no way he will maximize the training time of 40 chars...
Hellraiza666	Posted - 2006.04.25 19:08:00 - [12] i like the idea, however, i find it hard to believe you will be able to keep up on training 40 characters. Also, what happens if CCP change the way accnts are used etc. in the future and stop character transfer, then your ******
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.25 19:12:00 - [13] Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski there is absolutly no way he will maximize the training time of 40 chars... they will all have the same attributes and implants becase the highest perc and will race will be chosen, becase of that they will all start/finish skills at the same time [or within the ime it takes me to log on and off for 40accounts] so maximising 40 char with the same attributes will not be a hard task the hard and long task will be increasing 40 char standings to +6.5 but i estimate that it can be done within a month useing trip account on one comp and doing hauling missions -------------------Sig----------------------- IPO idea: give it a read, feedback wanted, thanks
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.25 19:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Hellraiza666 i like the idea, however, i find it hard to believe you will be able to keep up on training 40 characters. Also, what happens if CCP change the way accnts are used etc. in the future and stop character transfer, then your **** as already pointed out training isnt going to be a problem they are all going to be training the same skills at the same time and have the same attributes, becase of that i will not forget to set a skill! if they stop char transfering im ** that is true, but they have not indicated that they wish to do that! its like me saying to other IPO offers "if CCP takes out hulk BPO out of the game your ****" a very unlikely event but the outcome would be true if it did happen! -------------------Sig----------------------- IPO idea: give it a read, feedback wanted, thanks
XTrinity	Posted - 2006.04.25 20:19:00 - [15] Definitely original... will be happy to see you suceed. Considering the investment. Bumpage. ____________________________ XTrinity I: 101 Tickets remaining
Kifrile	Posted - 2006.04.25 20:45:00 - [16] I'm not gonna show my math, but damn even in my worst case senario investers will get a payback of 22million per share(worst case), thats a profit of 4.5mil isk per share, thats worst case, in best case its around 40+mil payback per share(making it more then double your investment) I used his info but did my own math using going prices for time cards and etc. and if you do the math,(I don't want to post it because I don't want people bagging on him) he has a HUGE profit at the end for himself as well(well after the 800$ in transfer fees :P) I serously think I will invest in this.
sweetheart	Posted - 2006.04.25 20:48:00 - [17] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski there is absolutly no way he will maximize the training time of 40 chars... they will all have the same attributes and implants becase the highest perc and will race will be chosen, becase of that they will all start/finish skills at the same time [or within the ime it takes me to log on and off for 40accounts] so maximising 40 char with the same attributes will not be a hard task the hard and long task will be increasing 40 char standings to +6.5 but i estimate that it can be done within a month useing trip account on one comp and doing hauling missions Half a pound of speed and a little crak .............................................. To Win is Everything**
Tomas Nuerin	Posted - 2006.04.25 21:14:00 - [18] 40 characters to 5+ faction or corp standings Good luck
Agif	Posted - 2006.04.25 21:23:00 - [19] So you are going to put your eve adventure on hold for 18months? b'coz its going to take more than a month to get your standings on each character to 6+, not to mention the boring part about sorting 40 characters out with lvl4 missions, then not to mention the fact that you are asking investors to put a grand total of 87.5billion on your shoulders trusting that you wont get bored enough to walk away from this?
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.25 21:23:00 - [20] Originally by: Tomas Nuerin 40 characters to 5+ faction or corp standings Good luck wount be too hard, i mean if you do the first 2 hauler misisons for your into agent he gives u a direc +1 stright away. connections to lvl 3 will add anoter 1.08 to standing so ill start with 2.08 and need to work it up from there. and there are very easy to do level 1 hauler missions which can be done in shuttles becase the cargo is so small and dont forget i only need a corp standing not a whole faction standing, corp standing increases MUCH fater than faction standing [for example gron has a faction standing of 9.01 to the federation navy but only 4.49 to the galante fed, you only need the corp bit up, which imo isnt too hard within a month] Originally by: sweetheart Originally by: Gronsak but i estimate that it can be done within a month useing trip account on one comp and doing hauling missions Half a pound of speed and a little cra**k , hate football, world cup is on, ill have even less reason to watch tv :P -------------------Sig----------------------- IPO idea: give it a read, feedback wanted, thanks
ElCoCo	Posted - 2006.04.25 21:24:00 - [21] Nice idea. Word of advice: make a corp for each race to maximise corp faction gains by doing agent missions
Toy	Posted - 2006.04.25 21:28:00 - [22] This is the best business plan I have seen in a long time... I've raised about 12 characters to max standing--either R and D or navy, etc... Look me up when you get ready. Have a notebook ready and I'll impart some tips on how to get your max standing... You know, you might be able to sell these with really good packaged deals... I can see a 0.0 corp buying 5 helios pilots, etc etc or a new mining corp asking to buy five large barge pilots... In fact you might want to offer some mortgages on characters with a variety of financing options... For example, people could front you 1 billion ISK now, and you pay them back with a perfect 10 000 000 spell point character... Anyway you will have an impossible job of logging in all those characters... Suppose they are all completing a learning attribute 5 and the next upper level one takes 25 minutes... That gives you 25 minutes to log in 40 characters and by the time you're halfway thru, the first half will be idling with NO training and then you franticly have to log them back in, etc etc... What you need to do is get as many characters into 10-30 day skills ASAP... THis means you have a group of 5-10 "cruiser 5" characters, but you have another group of "research project management 5" characters, etc etc, so at any given time about 20 of your characters are training for long skills... Anyway, gl!
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.25 21:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Agif So you are going to put your eve adventure on hold for 18months? b'coz its going to take more than a month to get your standings on each character to 6+, not to mention the boring part about sorting 40 characters out with lvl4 missions, then not to mention the fact that you are asking investors to put a grand total of 87.5billion on your shoulders trusting that you wont get bored enough to walk away from this? 78.75bil actually, as i keep 10% of the shares which are not for sale, but returns are estimated at over 220bil + any BPOs that are gained! yes its gona take a month or perhaps two to get all the standings to 6+, but then u dont do anything u just let the RP flow in you dont actually have to do a mission to gain RP! and about putting my eve adventure on hold: not at all, there will be times when i train BS 5 on the char, which will take 1+ months, and then all i do is log in every 6 days to check for BPO offers and thats it, so while long skills are training all i have to do is log in once a week and thats it, which is hardly gona effect my gameplay! also i think a lot of people have the misconception of me training different skills at different times, this will not be the case, they will all have the same attributes and same inplants thus the skills train at the same speed. IE i log into char 1 and set galante BS 5 to train, then log into char 2 and set gal BS 5 to train...... then char 40 and set it to train. not the time and day it is going to finish, then come that time, log into char one and set next skill say large gun lvl 5, then log into char 2 and set large gun 5 ect once the inital stage of short skills are finished and standings improved to use lvl 4 R&D agents, it is just logging on once every 6 days to check for BPOS and also setting new skills ect. and thanks to all who have left nice comments -------------------Sig----------------------- IPO idea: give it a read, feedback wanted, thanks
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.25 21:37:00 - [24] Originally by: Toy This is the best business plan I have seen in a long time... I've raised about 12 characters to max standing--either R and D or navy, etc... Look me up when you get ready. Have a notebook ready and I'll impart some tips on how to get your max standing... You know, you might be able to sell these with really good packaged deals... I can see a 0.0 corp buying 5 helios pilots, etc etc or a new mining corp asking to buy five large barge pilots... In fact you might want to offer some mortgages on characters with a variety of financing options... For example, people could front you 1 billion ISK now, and you pay them back with a perfect 10 000 000 spell point character... Anyway you will have an impossible job of logging in all those characters... Suppose they are all completing a learning attribute 5 and the next upper level one takes 25 minutes... That gives you 25 minutes to log in 40 characters and by the time you're halfway thru, the first half will be idling with NO training and then you franticly have to log them back in, etc etc... What you need to do is get as many characters into 10-30 day skills ASAP... THis means you have a group of 5-10 "cruiser 5" characters, but you have another group of "research project management 5" characters, etc etc, so at any given time about 20 of your characters are training for long skills... Anyway, gl! all very good points and helpfull, thanks for that! and i was thinking i could log in and out and back in in 30sec , so 20mins from begining to end. and remember, that that idea time will only happen ocne. then when that is done, there will be a 1min lag before the next character finishes a skill so that lag should at lest in thoery only occour once [apart from skills that last less than 20mins :P ] Originally by: ElCoCo Nice idea. Word of advice: make a corp for each race to maximise corp faction gains by doing agent missions was just about to say very good idea thank you, but the thing is to maximise skillpoints per day, i will be choosing 40 of the same race [the race with the highest perception and will] but training 1/3 of them in glaante, 1/3 of them in amarr, 1/3 in mini so they will all be the same race but train different race skills! just like for example gron is amarr but has more galante skills but thanks for the tip :P -------------------Sig----------------------- IPO idea: give it a read, feedback wanted, thanks
J1NX	Posted - 2006.04.25 22:07:00 - [25] I am doing it on my own and just with 1 extra character. Let's say that i like the new achura profile with the following attributes. 8 12 3 10 6 The only thing i dont have really clear is the way u will get they all to 6.5+ standing unless u allready have some characters with huge standing with this research corp and use the corp standing, but anyway u will need some nice time to make they all get to around 4. Well, under my point of view, if u gonna affort the 800$ could be better if u start with just 10 chars, next month another 10 and so on. I think that u will have a lot of work at the start of your project. Have fun.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.26 02:44:00 - [26] daily bump more ideas/comments welcomed! -------------------Sig----------------------- IPO idea: give it a read, feedback wanted, thanks
shivan	Posted - 2006.04.26 05:27:00 - [27] looks intresting, defently.
sweetheart	Posted - 2006.04.26 08:43:00 - [28] Don't get me wrong by my earlier comment , I just meant it's going to be very hard work , but you seem very dedicated , and it's a great plan , I wish you all the best .............................................. To Win is Everything
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.26 14:06:00 - [29] thanks all for the comments and suggestions i guess the only way to find out if investers will put isk into this idea is to actually do the IPO i will be offering an IPO this friday so hope ill see some of you buying shares :P any questions just mail me ingame or post here -------------------Sig----------------------- IPO idea: give it a read, feedback wanted, thanks
Lugz	Posted - 2006.04.26 15:12:00 - [30] That is a rather large price per share, plz don't make it so you have to buy a minimum ammount of shares like 10. That will price a lot of your prospective buyers out of the market.

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