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Iron Breaker Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2014.03.12 11:38:00 - [1] - Quote So are there any level 5 missions in high sec? I could not find any, but there are so many factions who can check each one... The ones I found are all in low sec and I just don't have time for messing around in low sec. Work and three kids has that effect... But I did want to see what the next level is like. Iron
Nad'x Hapax Hapaxa 48	Posted - 2014.03.12 11:53:00 - [2] - Quote Iron Breaker wrote: So are there any level 5 missions in high sec? I could not find any, but there are so many factions who can check each one... The ones I found are all in low sec and I just don't have time for messing around in low sec. Work and three kids has that effect... But I did want to see what the next level is like. Iron nope. none in high
Carek Talen Another Corp. 18	Posted - 2014.03.12 12:37:00 - [3] - Quote Iron Breaker wrote: I could not find any, but there are so many factions who can check each one... Open the agent finder. Set faction to any. Set corporation to any. Set agent type to any. Set solar system to any. Set security status to high. Uncheck show only available. Move the agent level slide bar to 5. All the agents have been filtered out, no lvl 5 agents on high sec of any type for any corp.
Caleidascope Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 476	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:06:00 - [4] - Quote Are there level 5 agents in high sec? No. Are there level 5 missions in high sec? No. Why? Blame CCP. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first!
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations CODE. 4248	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:37:00 - [5] - Quote I would like to see a level 5 distribution agent take you about 40 jumps, require a freighter, and pass through lowsec to deliver in Jita. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Lady Naween Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 502	Posted - 2014.03.12 22:20:00 - [6] - Quote back long ago you could get lvl 5 missions in highsec, but CCP thought that it was a bit unbalanced to be able to do lvl5s in highsec so it was fixed so that the mission site is never in high.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 422	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:01:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Breaker wrote: So are there any level 5 missions in high sec? I could not find any, but there are so many factions who can check each one... The ones I found are all in low sec and I just don't have time for messing around in low sec. Work and three kids has that effect... But I did want to see what the next level is like. Iron Join an incursion fleet instead :D
Illiar D'Anaari Lassandar 9	Posted - 2014.03.13 02:36:00 - [8] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: Iron Breaker wrote: So are there any level 5 missions in high sec? I could not find any, but there are so many factions who can check each one... The ones I found are all in low sec and I just don't have time for messing around in low sec. Work and three kids has that effect... But I did want to see what the next level is like. Iron Join an incursion fleet instead :D Kids make that pretty hard. You never know when you'll have to leave the computer, so group content is not ideal.
Luwc Easy Co. Fatal Ascension 70	Posted - 2014.03.13 08:01:00 - [9] - Quote Having LVL5s in high sec would be too unbalanced. having a greater income requires having a greater risk.
Eaphod Divided Unity The Night Crew Alliance 56	Posted - 2014.03.13 14:18:00 - [10] - Quote Luwc wrote: Having LVL5s in high sec would be too unbalanced. having a greater income requires having a greater risk. Does incursion income not exceed Level 5 mission income? I honestly don't know.
Goldiiee Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies 954	Posted - 2014.03.13 14:56:00 - [11] - Quote Eaphod wrote: Luwc wrote: Having LVL5s in high sec would be too unbalanced. having a greater income requires having a greater risk. Does incursion income not exceed Level 5 mission income? I honestly don't know. Yeah by a huge margin. Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 5042	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:27:00 - [12] - Quote Eaphod wrote: Luwc wrote: Having LVL5s in high sec would be too unbalanced. having a greater income requires having a greater risk. Does incursion income not exceed Level 5 mission income? I honestly don't know. Incursions do exceed low sec lvl 5s. They would not exceed high sec lvl 5s. I used to do them with passive tanked rattlesnakes and 250 mil (even factoring in moving the stuff you bought with the loads of LP you gained) wasn't hard to do if you knew where to do it and had high enough standings to ignore the bad missions and the missions that were in low sec.
hustler 13 The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.03.13 22:05:00 - [13] - Quote why cant ccp simply adjust the rewards given to hi sec lv5s the same way they adjust the rewards for hi sec incursions. Then possibly using sleeper based AI and making sure that lv 5s could not be completed solo they could create a good team balance
EvEa Deva Forum Alt Retort 468	Posted - 2014.03.13 23:27:00 - [14] - Quote Luwc wrote: Having LVL5s in high sec would be too unbalanced. having a greater income requires having a greater risk. Its balanced now that no-one does them.
Lady Naween Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 505	Posted - 2014.03.14 03:17:00 - [15] - Quote hustler 13 wrote: why cant ccp simply adjust the rewards given to hi sec lv5s the same way they adjust the rewards for hi sec incursions. Then possibly using sleeper based AI and making sure that lv 5s could not be completed solo they could create a good team balance well.. why not just run incursions then?
Illiar D'Anaari Lassandar 9	Posted - 2014.03.14 16:30:00 - [16] - Quote Lady Naween wrote: hustler 13 wrote: why cant ccp simply adjust the rewards given to hi sec lv5s the same way they adjust the rewards for hi sec incursions. Then possibly using sleeper based AI and making sure that lv 5s could not be completed solo they could create a good team balance well.. why not just run incursions then? Static location, can be very short, and presumably they would/should be doable with a group much smaller than incursions.
Ireland VonVicious Vicious Trading Company 299	Posted - 2014.03.14 16:44:00 - [17] - Quote I'd rather see them fix scout incursions. Would be much better if they were a bit tougher and required 4 solid ships instead of any 3-5 guys or 2 good ones. Having a few buddies were you can jump into group play with ease (( Without wrecking your isk pr hour )) is sorely missing from Eve on the PvE side.
Batelle HOMELE55 2244	Posted - 2014.03.14 16:55:00 - [18] - Quote hustler 13 wrote: why cant ccp simply adjust the rewards given to hi sec lv5s the same way they adjust the rewards for hi sec incursions. Then possibly using sleeper based AI and making sure that lv 5s could not be completed solo they could create a good team balance 5's were already designed to not be soloable but people did it anyway. Balancing level 5 rewards to make them workable in hisec would require adding in a lot of exceptions to a system that currently behaves the same way for all missions in all areas of space. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Ruareve Caldari Provisions Caldari State 108	Posted - 2014.03.15 02:09:00 - [19] - Quote Luwc wrote: Having LVL5s in high sec would be too unbalanced. having a greater income requires having a greater risk. The problem with your theory is that L5's are already more difficult than a L4 so increased risk= increased reward. The artificial risk is caused by putting the missions in low sec which makes the risk no where close to the reward. What many of us want are missions of higher difficulty and higher reward than L4s. Yes, I know there are incursions but they require a completely different level of time investment than missions. I've done incursions and they are fun, but most of the time I don't want to block off 2-3 hours just to have the chance of making good in incursions. There were times when I did site after site for two hours and made massive money. There were times where I spent an hour waiting for a group and ended up logging off without doing a single site. Incursions have their place, but they are not a replacement for harder missions. The hardest part of L4 missions is probably the bonus room for Angel's Extravaganza. That room isn't all that hard for a single ship to handle of you kite. Multiple ships only have to sit there and shoot. The only way to make L4s require more skill is to artificially handicap your ship selection which isn't very fun. Why spend time training and saving for the next bigger ship when you have to go back and gimp yourself to get a challenge? Honestly the rewards from the agents don't even need to go up. Just give me a mission like Blockade with nothing except BS's and maybe a carrier or a dreadnaught as the boss mob. Something that requires logi, severe amounts of tank, torpedoes for max DPS, and some ewar as well. Give me a reason to want to build a fleet of diverse ships and diverse skills so I have to work to clear a room. Make me use tactics and strategy beyond dps/tank. I want something that tests me and L4s don't do that. On the other hand you can't point to L5s because now I'm no longer dealing with PVE I'm having to worry more about PVP and because of that I can't enjoy the PVE challenge I crave. Yet another blog about Eve- http://ruar-eve.blogspot.com/
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 713	Posted - 2014.03.15 02:56:00 - [20] - Quote Ruareve wrote: Luwc wrote: Having LVL5s in high sec would be too unbalanced. having a greater income requires having a greater risk. The problem with your theory is that L5's are already more difficult than a L4 so increased risk= increased reward. The artificial risk is caused by putting the missions in low sec which makes the risk no where close to the reward. What many of us want are missions of higher difficulty and higher reward than L4s. Yes, I know there are incursions but they require a completely different level of time investment than missions. I've done incursions and they are fun, but most of the time I don't want to block off 2-3 hours just to have the chance of making good in incursions. There were times when I did site after site for two hours and made massive money. There were times where I spent an hour waiting for a group and ended up logging off without doing a single site. Incursions have their place, but they are not a replacement for harder missions. The hardest part of L4 missions is probably the bonus room for Angel's Extravaganza. That room isn't all that hard for a single ship to handle of you kite. Multiple ships only have to sit there and shoot. The only way to make L4s require more skill is to artificially handicap your ship selection which isn't very fun. Why spend time training and saving for the next bigger ship when you have to go back and gimp yourself to get a challenge? Honestly the rewards from the agents don't even need to go up. Just give me a mission like Blockade with nothing except BS's and maybe a carrier or a dreadnaught as the boss mob. Something that requires logi, severe amounts of tank, torpedoes for max DPS, and some ewar as well. Give me a reason to want to build a fleet of diverse ships and diverse skills so I have to work to clear a room. Make me use tactics and strategy beyond dps/tank. I want something that tests me and L4s don't do that. On the other hand you can't point to L5s because now I'm no longer dealing with PVE I'm having to worry more about PVP and because of that I can't enjoy the PVE challenge I crave. Even though Eve is a PVP game it would be nice if they had some challenging PVE content. I know incursions are around but they're just a boring grind like level 4 missions. I think when you mention adding PVE content to Eve many players get scared that it might take away from the PVP focus of Eve. I'll admit that concerns me but I think PVE can be improved without messing up PVP.
Loraine Gess Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists 155	Posted - 2014.03.15 03:07:00 - [21] - Quote Ruareve wrote: Luwc wrote: Having LVL5s in high sec would be too unbalanced. having a greater income requires having a greater risk. The problem with your theory is that L5's are already more difficult than a L4 so increased risk= increased reward. The artificial risk is caused by putting the missions in low sec which makes the risk no where close to the reward. What many of us want are missions of higher difficulty and higher reward than L4s. Yes, I know there are incursions but they require a completely different level of time investment than missions. I've done incursions and they are fun, but most of the time I don't want to block off 2-3 hours just to have the chance of making good in incursions. There were times when I did site after site for two hours and made massive money. There were times where I spent an hour waiting for a group and ended up logging off without doing a single site. Incursions have their place, but they are not a replacement for harder missions. The hardest part of L4 missions is probably the bonus room for Angel's Extravaganza. That room isn't all that hard for a single ship to handle of you kite. Multiple ships only have to sit there and shoot. The only way to make L4s require more skill is to artificially handicap your ship selection which isn't very fun. Why spend time training and saving for the next bigger ship when you have to go back and gimp yourself to get a challenge? Honestly the rewards from the agents don't even need to go up. Just give me a mission like Blockade with nothing except BS's and maybe a carrier or a dreadnaught as the boss mob. Something that requires logi, severe amounts of tank, torpedoes for max DPS, and some ewar as well. Give me a reason to want to build a fleet of diverse ships and diverse skills so I have to work to clear a room. Make me use tactics and strategy beyond dps/tank. I want something that tests me and L4s don't do that. On the other hand you can't point to L5s because now I'm no longer dealing with PVE I'm having to worry more about PVP and because of that I can't enjoy the PVE challenge I crave. "I want risk/reward to scale linearly since risk is already so low lol" "Please make my no-risk missioning reward even more" No. Go do L5s in lowsec if you want more rewards from missioning. That's what they're there for.
Ruareve Caldari Provisions Caldari State 109	Posted - 2014.03.15 03:32:00 - [22] - Quote IIshira wrote: having a greater income requires having a greater risk. Even though Eve is a PVP game it would be nice if they had some challenging PVE content. I know incursions are around but they're just a boring grind like level 4 missions. I think when you mention adding PVE content to Eve many players get scared that it might take away from the PVP focus of Eve. I'll admit that concerns me but I think PVE can be improved without messing up PVP. Low and Null have plenty of places for PVP. Plus there is always the risk of someone ganking your mission ship so PVP is there and won't be altered. The people worried are the close minded lemmings who think Eve is some kind of hardcore PVP game that only the hardest of the hard play. It's not, it's just an RPG with no PVE servers. Yet another blog about Eve- http://ruar-eve.blogspot.com/
Ruareve Caldari Provisions Caldari State 109	Posted - 2014.03.15 03:35:00 - [23] - Quote Loraine Gess wrote: "I want risk/reward to scale linearly since risk is already so low lol" "Please make my no-risk missioning reward even more" No. Go do L5s in lowsec if you want more rewards from missioning. That's what they're there for. That is your made up argument, not my words so don't put a quote sign around them. I want more challenge in PVE with appropriate rewards to the added risk. I could make a counter argument that any gank in highsec against a hauler or other unarmed vessel results in zero cargo drop since the reward is out of proportion to the risk. What risk do you take when you attack a defenseless player? You know ahead of time Concord will kill you. The only risk is what will the RNG drop and what will it destroy. Yet another blog about Eve- http://ruar-eve.blogspot.com/
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 713	Posted - 2014.03.15 04:29:00 - [24] - Quote Eve a hardcore PVP game?... No way! Eve is about love and careing! I understand why few would consider taking a PVE ship into lowsec. Unless your alliance has a strong presence in the area it would be foolish IMO.
Ruareve Caldari Provisions Caldari State 109	Posted - 2014.03.15 04:33:00 - [25] - Quote IIshira wrote: Eve a hardcore PVP game?... No way! Eve is about love and careing! I understand why few would consider taking a PVE ship into lowsec. Unless your alliance has a strong presence in the area it would be foolish IMO. Lol. The part I was being sarcastic about was the hardcore portion. Eve is not hardcore, just has a stiff penalty if you aren't in the mood for PVP. Yet another blog about Eve- http://ruar-eve.blogspot.com/
Oxide Ammar 80	Posted - 2014.03.15 10:15:00 - [26] - Quote EvEa Deva wrote: Luwc wrote: Having LVL5s in high sec would be too unbalanced. having a greater income requires having a greater risk. Its balanced now that no-one does them. Exactly this..LOL.

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