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Karille
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Posted - 2006.04.26 02:26:00 -
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Okay, so i'm a little pirate girl, only been in a pod for a month now. (still getting used to this icky goo messing up my hair) And what can i say, i love the thrill of solo combat against other players. However recently i've had alot of people telling me that i only pick on defenseless people, or people weaker or younger than me. My question to everyone is: Am i really expected to fight people in battleships with their +15 million skill points? Of course the people i'm attacking are weaker then me! Its not exactly profitable to commit suicide every time i see a ship in local, and if i win doesnt that automatically mean i'm better than them? (excluding luck) So i'm asking you guys, pirates and anti-pirates alike, why am i automatically called a "griefer" if i take down other ships in a little 1v1 combat, or even when i'm outnumbered?
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Balklanac
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Posted - 2006.04.26 02:39:00 -
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Depends who is telling you are a grifer. In this case I suspect that you need to ignore them as I think they or their friends have received the short end of the stick with you.
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Daddy's Princess
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Posted - 2006.04.26 02:49:00 -
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Wouldn't worry about it. Who cares what they say. At least you're going around looking for solo fights (the best ones) and not running around in a nub blob of 50 bantams.
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Ricky Baby
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Posted - 2006.04.26 02:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Daddy's Princess
running around in a nub blob of 50 bantams.
now thats something i wanna see
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Sarai Atvar
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Posted - 2006.04.26 02:58:00 -
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Karille, don't worry about what other people say. After all, if you cared what people thought of you, you wouldn't be a pirate! Just go out and do what you find fun.
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Gordon Red
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Posted - 2006.04.26 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: Gordon Red on 26/04/2006 03:19:00
Edited by: Gordon Red on 26/04/2006 03:17:16
Originally by: Daddy's Princess
Wouldn't worry about it. Who cares what they say. At least you're going around looking for solo fights (the best ones) and not running around in a nub blob of 50 bantams.
If 50 noob- or T1-frigs would rapeing a battleship... that would be fun to look at. 
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Vordalak
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Posted - 2006.04.26 04:38:00 -
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I don't think that you Pirate types are a bad thing in this game. You are the engines of evolution in EVE. If it weren't for you, us norm.... (oops, sorry ) types would never have to evolve.
You keep us regular people on our toes and looking for hood ornaments for our ships.
Keep up the good work and I hope to see you soon. 
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.04.26 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: Vordalak
I don't think that you Pirate types are a bad thing in this game. You are the engines of evolution in EVE. If it weren't for you, us norm.... (oops, sorry ) types would never have to evolve.
You keep us regular people on our toes and looking for hood ornaments for our ships.
Keep up the good work and I hope to see you soon.
Wow, very good attitude and great outlook on EvE.
Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.04.26 05:48:00 -
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You're fine, unless you are doing something lame like baiting day-old newbies outside a station with some cans, or something.
Belt piracy is cool in my book. Especially if you have the stones to do it solo.
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Spyres
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Posted - 2006.04.26 06:18:00 -
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Don't listen to people like that. As has been said here many times before, you can find the strangest things in the cargo-holds of characters who appear to be new. Take nothing for granted in this game.
You pay your subscription, you play how you see fit. So long as you're not exploiting, then no one has any right to tell you what to do, or to insult you about your playing style.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.04.26 06:38:00 -
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Ignore all comments of griefing etc etc.
Griefing is a bannable offence, Pirating is not griefing. Whether its a 1 day noob alt, or a 2year vet you kill your doing it for possible isk gains/pretty explosions/or just because theyre in your vicinity. All of which are completely valid.
And most who claim your a griefer etc in local and "only pick on defenceless haulers" generally have no idea who you are, who you have/havent attacked in the past etc. Its just smack, ignore it 
Alliaanna
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Heikki
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Posted - 2006.04.26 07:51:00 -
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Griefing is when you cause harm just for the sake of it; to hear the other suffer and curse, to see nice explosion or something alike.
If you do it for profit it's business.
Shooting at alt shuttle passing through low sec is very sensible.
Killing a 10 day old newbie mining with Imicus is pretty much griefing; nothing you could gain from that kill.
-Lasse
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GruFF83
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Posted - 2006.04.26 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Heikki
Griefing is when you cause harm just for the sake of it; to hear the other suffer and curse, to see nice explosion or something alike.
If you do it for profit it's business.
Shooting at alt shuttle passing through low sec is very sensible.
Killing a 10 day old newbie mining with Imicus is pretty much griefing; nothing you could gain from that kill.
-Lasse
They know the score when they enter low security space, they take the risk. If a big warning popup box is not enough for these people then I dont know what is :)
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DOGNOSH
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Posted - 2006.04.26 08:58:00 -
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there is NO griefing in EVE
what's wrong with you guys?
it is legal to shoot at anything you want to(beware of concorde )
and no one is forced to venture in to scary space
if i was a pirate(i am not) then any target i think i can beat, and wanted to do so ,would be a valid target
if you don't like being killed then stay in safe space near to a gate or station
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stop moaning,give CCP a break
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B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2006.04.26 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vordalak
I don't think that you Pirate types are a bad thing in this game. You are the engines of evolution in EVE. If it weren't for you, us norm.... (oops, sorry ) types would never have to evolve.
You keep us regular people on our toes and looking for hood ornaments for our ships.
Keep up the good work and I hope to see you soon.
/signed
i am who i am today due to 1 guy.
Calculon.
he "grieved" me hard when i was a noob. stripped me of all my assets at somepoint when i was hauling them in an uninsured ferox.
real grievers imo are the people who exccisively exploit the scamming loophole.
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Heikki
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Posted - 2006.04.26 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: DOGNOSH
there is NO griefing in EVE
Certainly there is griefing, as there is scamming, corp thievery and smack talk. All of which are legal as they should be.
Don't confuse 'legal' to be same as (morally) 'right' thing to do.
In RL it's pretty much legal to insult and laugh at genuinely retarded people, it just might not gain you much respect nor be 'right' thing to do.
-Lasse
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Zarithas
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Posted - 2006.04.26 12:30:00 -
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If someone chooses to go into low sec, and you're a pirate, and they happen to be in a Bantam, then that's their problem. It's your job to ransom or kill and/or pod them.
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Nyabinghi
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Posted - 2006.04.26 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Nyabinghi on 26/04/2006 14:48:56
Originally by: Karille
Okay, so i'm a little pirate girl, only been in a pod for a month now. (still getting used to this icky goo messing up my hair) And what can i say, i love the thrill of solo combat against other players. However recently i've had alot of people telling me that i only pick on defenseless people, or people weaker or younger than me. My question to everyone is: Am i really expected to fight people in battleships with their +15 million skill points? Of course the people i'm attacking are weaker then me! Its not exactly profitable to commit suicide every time i see a ship in local, and if i win doesnt that automatically mean i'm better than them? (excluding luck) So i'm asking you guys, pirates and anti-pirates alike, why am i automatically called a "griefer" if i take down other ships in a little 1v1 combat, or even when i'm outnumbered?
Funny but that's what the newbies, the victums of most pirate attacks, have been saying: Am i really expected to fight people in battleships with their +15 million skill points? We get PvP rammed down our throats way before we're able to even begin to defend ourselves properly and we're told to go fight back like somehow suddenly the retribution fairy has dropped off a couple of T2 fitted BS at our feet.
Of course piracy in EvE (as it is currently is perpetuated)is predominantly about attacking targets 50-100% weaker than you. Which doesn't exactly equate to PvP BTW, if one player is the boot and the other player the ant the boot lands on. Personally I see nothing sporting or remotly honorable in destroying people far, far weaker than yourself.
I remember the pirate movies I watched as a kid. The pirates attacked mostly ships their own size or bigger. In fact I believe a lot of famous pirates were the ones who won battles against larger ships.
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.04.26 15:30:00 -
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Of course piracy in EvE (as it is currently is perpetuated)is predominantly about attacking targets 50-100% weaker than you. Which doesn't exactly equate to PvP BTW, if one player is the boot and the other player the ant the boot lands on. Personally I see nothing sporting or remotly honorable in destroying people far, far weaker than yourself.
I never claimed to be sporting or honourable... but then again what's honourable and sporting about mining rocks or waiting for a blueprint in the lottery?
Pirates in the movies had something we don't... an 'i win' button. Of course the pirates in the film win, they're scripted to do that! Here in EvE, it's simple maths. The majority of the time if you want to be making money from pirating (rather than losing it) you have to do calculated risk assessments. Typically, that means picking on the guy without the citadel missiles.
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Doc Drudge
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Posted - 2006.04.26 15:39:00 -
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The famous historical pirates all ended up dangling on the end of a rope too.. Take out a big target, or a navy target and suddenly a fleet was dispatched to take you out. The successful pirates did exactly what Eve pirates do. Kill targets weaker than themselves, and run when they stand a chance to lose.
On a side note, take the AU-pvp university pvp class and you stand a decent chance to see 15-30 t1 frigates kill a battleship....
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Snodgey2004
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Posted - 2006.04.26 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: GruFF83
Originally by: Heikki
Griefing is when you cause harm just for the sake of it; to hear the other suffer and curse, to see nice explosion or something alike.
If you do it for profit it's business.
Shooting at alt shuttle passing through low sec is very sensible.
Killing a 10 day old newbie mining with Imicus is pretty much griefing; nothing you could gain from that kill.
-Lasse
They know the score when they enter low security space, they take the risk. If a big warning popup box is not enough for these people then I dont know what is :)
Best answer so far , when will people realise this , over the past couple of months i've been nothing but polite to the people i shoot , even when i'm caught by the blobs chasing me i give a little "well done" yet only this i get is smack " i only kill noobs " " i am a nOOb " some of the kinder things said to me .
Basically it's not my fault i killed them , it's theirs , if they are in low sec it's their problem not mine...as for high sec suicides , well i'm not a fan personally but again , no-where is safe in EVE , if the person is willing to lose a ship for whatever reason so be it. So if someone is calling you a griefer , either ignore them , even better just be polite to them which makes them burst a gut trying to smack you to death which always makes me laugh
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Superbus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:29:00 -
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Their is no such thing as griefing in this game if you aint blue your g0o. This is a game where loss hurts and its permanent. I don't care about your age for all I know you could be some 2+ year old players alt, so my 2 cents everyone who is not a friend is an enemy and would kill me if they had the chance, so I do unto you before you do unto me no matter what your age
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: B0rn2KiLL
Originally by: Vordalak
I don't think that you Pirate types are a bad thing in this game. You are the engines of evolution in EVE. If it weren't for you, us norm.... (oops, sorry ) types would never have to evolve.
You keep us regular people on our toes and looking for hood ornaments for our ships.
Keep up the good work and I hope to see you soon.
/signed
i am who i am today due to 1 guy.
Calculon.
he "grieved" me hard when i was a noob. stripped me of all my assets at somepoint when i was hauling them in an uninsured ferox.
real grievers imo are the people who exccisively exploit the scamming loophole.
Same here. Got griefed by 4 people who made me what I am today... 
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Brem Watson
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Brem Watson on 26/04/2006 17:00:20
People just complain because they want to be left alone but it's pretty clear to me that this game is not like the rest.
Even City of Heroes PvP action wasn't this brutal.
I've been tagged a few time by pirates and it was all due to my own stupidity. I have posted threads about these instances. Even tho I want to hate these pirates for attacking me, I can't. They're just making me better at preparing my alt to be a serious contender.
I haven't done a lot of PvPing but it is definitely on the todo list.
If you're a pirate, think like a pirate and don't give a hoot what people cry about.
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abraheam
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Posted - 2006.04.26 18:56:00 -
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I have no problem with pirates.
I do have a problem with the dum ones. These would include the ones that attack me in my barge and then cry blob when I hop in my BS and get all my friends and kill them as they sit picking their nose at a gate camp.
Of course a left empire a while ago so I dont have to deal with that as much now adays.
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Yarrmageddon
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Posted - 2006.04.26 19:26:00 -
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And here I was wondering where you've gone Karille ;)
You could have said 'bye' at least, you know.
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Karille
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Posted - 2006.04.26 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Yarrmageddon
And here I was wondering where you've gone Karille ;)
You could have said 'bye' at least, you know.
Yeah, sorry about that, but shooting lasers at rocks was driving me crazy. So crazy in fact that now i feel the fierce need to defend these poor defenseless asteroids from all the people with those horrible mining lasers.
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Yarrmageddon
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Posted - 2006.04.26 20:25:00 -
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Hahah it's not like I blame you for not mining ^^
What corp are you in now? Pirate crowd?
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.27 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Karille
why am i automatically called a "griefer" if i take down other ships in a little 1v1 combat, or even when i'm outnumbered?
Because some people can't help but cry and *****. If you screw with their fun in any way shape or form, they will cry griefer.
And then most people will tell them to shut the **** up or go back to WoW.
Honestly. Unless you're going after someone strictly for some rather personal reasons and trying everything you can to ruin EVE for them, just tell anyone who calls you a griefer to STFU.
And if you're priating and they call you a griefer, just pod them so they're out of local, then block them.
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
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JoeT
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Posted - 2006.04.27 03:47:00 -
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Kill them all and pod them. Leave no one alive
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