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Pride NL
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Posted - 2006.04.27 02:36:00 -
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 Originally by: F2C MaDMaXX
Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
Originally by: F2C MaDMaXX
I am a director, and none of us know.
It's impossible you don't know why !
The fact that i have access to a concord mail stating a war dec doesn't really shed much light on the matter :(
Though the evemail should mean to you: Watch out, get intel, don't move alone, dont autopilot.
You don't need a reason for the war to stay alive 
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Lienzo
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Posted - 2006.04.27 05:37:00 -
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Edited by: Lienzo on 27/04/2006 05:36:56
Should be interesting to see what will result from the war if it is pursued with any earnest sincerity.
One the one hand, we might see if CC can survive in 0.0 (tactically, politically, and organizationally) without camping on the border between 0.0 and empire.
On the other hand, we might see if ISS can actually get more than a handful of its members out of empire while still maintaining it's standard public relations protocol.
More likely though, I bet we see nothing at all.
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Begottenotmade
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Posted - 2006.04.27 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shai Faetal
man what are all the pirates doing in iss navy 
/me points at sun ra 
By the looks of some of the ships and such allocated to the PVPers in ISS..i would think about joining too.. :p. perks 4tw
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2006.04.27 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Begottenotmade
Originally by: Shai Faetal
man what are all the pirates doing in iss navy
/me points at sun ra
By the looks of some of the ships and such allocated to the PVPers in ISS..i would think about joining too.. :p. perks 4tw
I pay for my own ships thanks 
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.27 09:14:00 -
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Curse Coalition are deluded if they think ISS paid billions of ISK to the MC just to wardec them.
They are building 3 outposts next month in case you hadnt noticed - the CC wardec thing is just a side show, designed to prevent MC from getting bored.
MC are contracted to ensure the outposts go up - indeed this is confirmed by the subheading of the ISS contract on the MC website 'More egg warming'.
Nuff said. CC, stop being nublets and try and get the bigger picture once in a while.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.04.27 09:17:00 -
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I was told ISSN do things like "Here's a 100 tech 1 frigs and mods, go lose them" or "here's a battleship, go have fun"
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.04.27 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki
I was told ISSN do things like "Here's a 100 tech 1 frigs and mods, go lose them" or "here's a battleship, go have fun"
That pretty much sums us up. We're a little crazy around the edges.
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Raven Hyperbollic
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Posted - 2006.04.27 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Krackerjack
Curse Coalition are deluded if they think ISS paid billions of ISK to the MC just to wardec them.
They are building 3 outposts next month in case you hadnt noticed - the CC wardec thing is just a side show, designed to prevent MC from getting bored.
MC are contracted to ensure the outposts go up - indeed this is confirmed by the subheading of the ISS contract on the MC website 'More egg warming'.
Nuff said. CC, stop being nublets and try and get the bigger picture once in a while.
Well whatever the reason ISS '3rd Party' war Deced the Curse Coalition making a war with your neighbours is not the wise thing to do if your main goal is to make ISK like ISS do.
If it was to Stop MC getting bored and attacking ISS interests then maybe it should be in talks with its neighbours and not hiring Mercs to Make us even more angry. Well hands up for the ISS to make the region more unstable by some Upsetting two Curse Alliances which live in it's back door instead of coming to somekind of Agreement.
As a CEO of one of the Corps in CC I say as long has ISS continues make hostile moves by hiring rent-a-goons (TM) to attack CC interests then I will personally gaurantee you I will make sure ISS interests will not be safe either.
On another note I have been happy in empire targeting and destroying ISS targets. But I am upset to see how many ISS have said in Local 'why are you attacking us we have done nothing wrong'
ISS next time you Hire goons to attack Your neighbours instead of using diplomats. Tell ALL your corps why we will be knocking on the door of every system we find to target in empire.
If I was a Corp In ISS and they teated me like that I'd be thinking of finding a better Alliance.
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.04.27 09:55:00 -
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It's ok ISS, we had a Director in one of our corps ask if FFA (French Force Alliance) was hostile or not after being in Chimp for over 3 months and us being at war with the RA since our birth.
It really adds fuel to the old fire of the higher you go in a company the less sence you get.
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.27 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Krackerjack on 27/04/2006 10:13:48
Originally by: Raven Hyperbollic
Well whatever the reason ISS '3rd Party' war Deced the Curse Coalition making a war with your neighbours is not the wise thing to do if your main goal is to make ISK like ISS do.
If it was to Stop MC getting bored and attacking ISS interests then maybe it should be in talks with its neighbours and not hiring Mercs to Make us even more angry. Well hands up for the ISS to make the region more unstable by some Upsetting two Curse Alliances which live in it's back door instead of coming to somekind of Agreement.
As a CEO of one of the Corps in CC I say as long has ISS continues make hostile moves by hiring rent-a-goons (TM) to attack CC interests then I will personally gaurantee you I will make sure ISS interests will not be safe either.
On another note I have been happy in empire targeting and destroying ISS targets. But I am upset to see how many ISS have said in Local 'why are you attacking us we have done nothing wrong'
ISS next time you Hire goons to attack Your neighbours instead of using diplomats. Tell ALL your corps why we will be knocking on the door of every system we find to target in empire.
If I was a Corp In ISS and they teated me like that I'd be thinking of finding a better Alliance.
ISS are a unique alliance though, its not a case of 'better' because their setup is quite unique. They are an entry point for industrial corps to break into 0.0 space - who else offers that kind of opportunity in multiple 0.0 regions? Every Alliance has nublets who arent with the programme (like the OP) and don't bother reading their forums. Thats hardly a unique problem to ISS.
ISS are far, far too decentralised for you to hurt in an empire war. You will just spread yourself really thinly and eventually run out of ISK (which they won't do, as their industry is spread through virtually all regions of EVE).
The very fact you guys have left 0.0, and left ISS alone to put up their outposts, means you have played right into their hands. Congratulations - you gave ISS exactly what they wanted. Their tactic worked. They won.
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Pride NL
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Posted - 2006.04.27 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Hyperbollic
Originally by: Krackerjack
Curse Coalition are deluded if they think ISS paid billions of ISK to the MC just to wardec them.
They are building 3 outposts next month in case you hadnt noticed - the CC wardec thing is just a side show, designed to prevent MC from getting bored.
MC are contracted to ensure the outposts go up - indeed this is confirmed by the subheading of the ISS contract on the MC website 'More egg warming'.
Nuff said. CC, stop being nublets and try and get the bigger picture once in a while.
Well whatever the reason ISS '3rd Party' war Deced the Curse Coalition making a war with your neighbours is not the wise thing to do if your main goal is to make ISK like ISS do.
If it was to Stop MC getting bored and attacking ISS interests then maybe it should be in talks with its neighbours and not hiring Mercs to Make us even more angry. Well hands up for the ISS to make the region more unstable by some Upsetting two Curse Alliances which live in it's back door instead of coming to somekind of Agreement.
As a CEO of one of the Corps in CC I say as long has ISS continues make hostile moves by hiring rent-a-goons (TM) to attack CC interests then I will personally gaurantee you I will make sure ISS interests will not be safe either.
On another note I have been happy in empire targeting and destroying ISS targets. But I am upset to see how many ISS have said in Local 'why are you attacking us we have done nothing wrong'
ISS next time you Hire goons to attack Your neighbours instead of using diplomats. Tell ALL your corps why we will be knocking on the door of every system we find to target in empire.
If I was a Corp In ISS and they teated me like that I'd be thinking of finding a better Alliance.
was it not CC and CDC that raided and raids KDF? At the station? Who are you to say defending is a hostile act?!
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.04.27 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Krackerjack
Curse Coalition are deluded if they think ISS paid billions of ISK to the MC just to wardec them.
They are building 3 outposts next month in case you hadnt noticed - the CC wardec thing is just a side show, designed to prevent MC from getting bored.
You mean that someone might have hired us to stop ISS from setting up these outposts?? That we could be blowing them up instead of helping guard them? NEAT!! However, that didn't happen.
Originally by: Raven Hyperbollic
As a CEO of one of the Corps in CC I say as long has ISS continues make hostile moves by hiring rent-a-goons (TM) to attack CC interests then I will personally gaurantee you I will make sure ISS interests will not be safe either.
'Rent-a-goon'... I like that. *emails Riz to work on a new banner...*
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Boonaki
I was told ISSN do things like "Here's a 100 tech 1 frigs and mods, go lose them" or "here's a battleship, go have fun"
That pretty much sums us up. We're a little crazy around the edges.
Butter Dog has his people trained to self-destruct for us when we are bored. "Look, MC, an explosion!" Ooooohhh.... 
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Pride NL
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Posted - 2006.04.27 10:37:00 -
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expect a ISSN road tour SoonÖ 
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.04.27 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Pride NL
expect a ISSN road tour SoonÖ
hehe, yeah... we've been so busy with outpost related stuff, it will be nice to return to plain and simple violence
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Hehulk
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Posted - 2006.04.27 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Hyperbollic
Well whatever the reason ISS '3rd Party' war Deced the Curse Coalition making a war with your neighbours is not the wise thing to do if your main goal is to make ISK like ISS do.
Not trying to split hairs, but I though the ISS existed to get 0.0 popoulated.
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maGz
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Posted - 2006.04.27 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Pride NL
expect a ISSN road tour SoonÖ
hehe, yeah... we've been so busy with outpost related stuff, it will be nice to return to plain and simple violence
Wahoo... Time to get the Bomberpoc out again 
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FowlPlayChiken
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Posted - 2006.04.27 12:23:00 -
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ISSN make good sacrifices to the GM fate. :-d
bawk
also, issn is secretely the rich pirates retirement home. *points at some of its seedier members*
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.27 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
You mean that someone might have hired us to stop ISS from setting up these outposts?? That we could be blowing them up instead of helping guard them? NEAT!! However, that didn't happen.
Originally by: Krackerjack
The very fact you guys have left 0.0, and left ISS alone to put up their outposts, means you have played right into their hands. Congratulations - you gave ISS exactly what they wanted. Their tactic worked. They won.
I have said it in many statements and in many different ways yet you still refuse to understand. We have no interest in your useless outposts that sit on top of useless space.
We do not hire anyone to do our PVPing for us. Why anyone wishes to pay someone else to take targets away I will never know. If its to try and acomplish something they cant do themselves then they shouldnt be attempting it in the first place.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.27 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
If its to try and acomplish something they cant do themselves then they shouldnt be attempting it in the first place.
I hear what you're saying... but... they CAN accomplish it, because they are obscenely rich. People will do their PvPing for them because they pay them. Thats just as valid as doing your own fighting.
ISK talks, bull**** walks.
Economic might is just as powerful, if not more, than military power.
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Bo Billings
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Posted - 2006.04.27 14:47:00 -
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Kracker wrote:
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ISS are a unique alliance though, its not a case of 'better' because their setup is quite unique. They are an entry point for industrial corps to break into 0.0 space - who else offers that kind of opportunity in multiple 0.0 regions? Every Alliance has nublets who arent with the programme (like the OP) and don't bother reading their forums. Thats hardly a unique problem to ISS.
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Kracker-
Please consider a few points.
This is far from the first war in Curse. We have long ago learned to use a dispersed logistics system to ensure ship replacements and in time this grew beyond even our wildest dreams. We make more money in one week just off ISS interests alone that they're actually paying for the war themselves. This was not an accident we engineered this situation. Our ship construction industry is bigger than you give us credit for and just as secure not to mention profitable. This war can easily go on for months and no one is going to run out of isk or ships.
As for you assement that "ISS are winning because we're all spread thin" things couldn't be further from the truth.
DO NOT take my word for it. Scan the kill boards. Curse forces destroyed several ISS BS in 0.0 just yesterday and a few even next to the ISS Marginis station in KDF. The Curse corridore is still controlled much as it usually is and kills there on the boards also show it. In empire our alt characters and noob pilots are getting training experience and forcing travel denial on ISS assets there. We get some kills and they get some kills. However, they are no longer able to do what they normally do in empire. Free mining and trading have given way to gate camps, station camps, long coordinated blob moves or just plain staying in stations. These newer empire ISS are not the rich barons the 0.0 station erecting ISS are. Eventually this lack of income/play will get to them. All the while the 0.0 ISS are paying big isk to MC to chase ghosts and babysit eggs. ISS still get they're ships shot and are not able to use the travel routes of 0.0 as they would like. Don't get me wrong MC is a very good merc corp and choice for the job but even they can't be everwhere. I'm sure they knew this as much going into this as we did, that if we countered with spread guerilla tactics then they're CC portion of the job would be a lot harder.
If your point of view is that a force no longer able to do what it used to then considered to be losing. Then the killboard evidence would show CC by far, in control of the current situation even by your own logic.
This could be a long protracted war.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.27 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Krackerjack
Originally by: Raid
If its to try and acomplish something they cant do themselves then they shouldnt be attempting it in the first place.
I hear what you're saying... but... they CAN accomplish it, because they are obscenely rich. People will do their PvPing for them because they pay them. Thats just as valid as doing your own fighting.
ISK talks, bull**** walks.
Economic might is just as powerful, if not more, than military power.
That was in response to seleene who is suggesting we should have hired them to fight ISS. I was not refering to ISS specifically.. If we are unable to destroy an outpost egg being deplyed at 0700 then we do not attempt to do so. That is what I was refering to.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.27 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bo Billings
As for you assement that "ISS are winning because we're all spread thin" things couldn't be further from the truth.
DO NOT take my word for it. Scan the kill boards. Curse forces destroyed several ISS BS in 0.0 just yesterday and a few even next to the ISS Marginis station in KDF.
But.... so what? You killed a few ISS battleships? They have 1500 people in their alliance. They are incredibly rich. Do you really think they care? Raid himself said wars are not won or lost based on ship kills. You have been killing ISS ships for a long time, so this is nothing new, and I don't see their alliance crumbling. I see them getting stronger. I see them growing. I see them getting more and more powerful friends, more outposts, and more ISK.
CC on the other hand, are throwing themselves across the four corners of EVE, both running from the MC in Curse and sending little squads all over EVE trying to search for kills. I've just looked at the ISS killboard - they are seriously beating you in terms of ISK damage since the MC contract started.
How long do you think your alliance can keep this up? How are you going to earn your ISK to fund this? Its *not sustainable*, you know, everyone knows it. If it comes to a war of ISK attrition then ISS will win. You killing a few ISS battleships means absolutely nothing to them. Its like a drop in an ocean and I very much doubt they even noticed.
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Lt Hole
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Posted - 2006.04.27 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Krackerjack
How long do you think your alliance can keep this up? How are you going to earn your ISK to fund this? Its *not sustainable*, you know, everyone knows it. If it comes to a war of ISK attrition then ISS will win. You killing a few ISS battleships means absolutely nothing to them. Its like a drop in an ocean and I very much doubt they even noticed.
Lt does a quick check of his wallet and laughs.
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.27 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Hole
Lt does a quick check of his wallet and laughs.
Your personal ISK has nothing to do with it. Though I'm sure there are plenty of T2 BPO owners in ISS with more, but thats not the point is it.
Which is the richer alliance? Who has the most diverse industrial activity? Who can hurt who the most?
I think we all know the answer to those questions.
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Bo Billings
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Posted - 2006.04.27 17:11:00 -
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Kracker wrote-
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Which is the richer alliance? Who has the most diverse industrial activity? Who can hurt who the most?
hmm...perhaps you might want to read my last post again or maybe just read it in the first place.
My point on the ship kills has nothing to do with how many. The point is WHERE they are. You said we were hiding or abandoning our home. The killboards show this not to be the case. As for isk per kill we destroyed an MC cerebus earlier carrying 1.3 billion in rare mods. We figure it was actually moving to do agent missions or something. <shrug> Anyhow, the sale of those mods alone far out weighed all combined losses of the common alt junk we've tossed into the empire effort to date. Not to mention the ISS kills which are similarly stocked with high grade mods that immediately sell in empire.
My previous point on isk...we use a diverse logistics system and well understand the effects isk and ship replacement have on long protracted wars. We have engineered a situation by which the ISS are actually fronting the costs of our side of the war. We don't use our personal isk or even corp isk for this war. Its all ISS isk. The only way we'll lose the isk you speak of is if the ISS some how collapse as a corporation. Untill that happens the isk will flow. The ISS are by far the richer alliance but our spending is subsidized by them making it impossible for us to lose the isk fight no matter how much money they have.
Logistics is not about who has the most money.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.27 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Bo Billings
We don't use our personal isk or even corp isk for this war. Its all ISS isk. The only way we'll lose the isk you speak of is if the ISS some how collapse as a corporation.
Theres nothing like blowing up a ship then having the pilot buy another one back from you. We also enjoy the roids in and around Calico. 
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.27 17:25:00 -
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Your post makes an interesting reading in theory but the facts don't add up. Not when you look at the evidence.
You can't win a war against ISS. Ever. And thats the bottom line.
The only ones who stand to lose anything are you guys.
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Lt Hole
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Posted - 2006.04.27 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Krackerjack
Originally by: Lt Hole
Lt does a quick check of his wallet and laughs.
Your personal ISK has nothing to do with it. Though I'm sure there are plenty of T2 BPO owners in ISS with more, but thats not the point is it.
Which is the richer alliance? Who has the most diverse industrial activity? Who can hurt who the most?
I think we all know the answer to those questions.
Oh noes! ISS is the only alliance that has tech II BPO's and lots of isk! We're all doomed!
"Oh noes! What happend to your ship Lt?"
"Damn ISS blew a hole in it with an isk cannon!"
"An isk cannon?"
"Yea, they stuck a wad of isk up Krackerjack's butt and he farted. Damn wad went right through the shields and armor. The bridge smells to high heaven."
"How is that possible from a fart?"
"Well, you know Krackerjack. He's full of hot air so...."
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Kristoffer
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Krackerjack
Edited by: Krackerjack on 27/04/2006 17:27:35
edit: and the ISS killboard shows they have killed vastly more isk than you since the MC contract started... haha
You sir are totally and utterly insane.
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Valkazm
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Posted - 2006.04.27 20:04:00 -
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i love how the iss corps were not informed and then excuse there ship loss like iss just made that as a diversion im sure all the ones that lost there ships in empire will like the iss mastermind thinking
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