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F2C MaDMaXX
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:00:00 -
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Would someone be so kind as to explain this situation to me, i don't like being killed :(
More so when i don't know why.
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Bazman
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:01:00 -
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CC wanted targets and you were nearby
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mamolian
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:02:00 -
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Perhaps this might be better asked of your CEO/directors than on the forums..
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F2C MaDMaXX
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:06:00 -
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I am a director, and none of us know.
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MrMorph
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:08:00 -
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juuuuuuicy targets. To bad they tend to blob or go for easy pickings :(
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:09:00 -
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 Originally by: F2C MaDMaXX
I am a director, and none of us know.
It's impossible you don't know why !
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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F2C MaDMaXX
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:09:00 -
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what can i say, i'm easy :(
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:09:00 -
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Civilians in a warzone, need i say more? 
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:10:00 -
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Nearly a week in and you don't know about the war? *boggles*
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F2C MaDMaXX
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
Originally by: F2C MaDMaXX
I am a director, and none of us know.
It's impossible you don't know why !
The fact that i have access to a concord mail stating a war dec doesn't really shed much light on the matter :(
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David Hope
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:12:00 -
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Have you considered taking the radical step of asking for access rights to the ISS forum, where I'm sure they have the details waiting for you?
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Nearly a week in and you don't know about the war? *boggles*
stop helping him !  I was trying to get him lost a bit 
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: F2C MaDMaXX
Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
Originally by: F2C MaDMaXX
I am a director, and none of us know.
It's impossible you don't know why !
The fact that i have access to a concord mail stating a war dec doesn't really shed much light on the matter :(
ask on the iss forums or in alliance chat??? ssh
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra
Originally by: F2C MaDMaXX
Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
Originally by: F2C MaDMaXX
I am a director, and none of us know.
It's impossible you don't know why !
The fact that i have access to a concord mail stating a war dec doesn't really shed much light on the matter :(
ask on the iss forums or in alliance chat??? ssh
Should have stuck with us RA your in a noob alliance 
O wait 
Need a new sig :/
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Muadeeb Ousil
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Posted - 2006.04.26 16:57:00 -
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I resemble that remark...
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Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2006.04.26 17:02:00 -
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probably because killing ISS is something that everyone needs to try at least once.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.26 17:05:00 -
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Because they're close-minded NSBI pig dogs who'd look good with their heads monted on a rack on my wall.
Yes, we are fighting the Curse Coalition, why?
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
BadManEdmundo
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Posted - 2006.04.26 17:11:00 -
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Go get em max, rocket kessies ftw 
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.26 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Because they're close-minded NSBI pig dogs
Oh give it a rest already. Stop over dramatizing what is essentially a simple situation. If you hate the NBSI policy so much then why dont you try reforming your allies who all operate under the policy themselves.
As for the OP. Im assuming your talking about the empire war. Its simple really.. ISS paid MC to dec us, so we War Dec ISS.. This needs no damatization, so could the JF poster please find another hypocritical situation to throw themselves into. Thanks.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.04.26 18:25:00 -
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one little icon sums up this thread:
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The ISS Navy is recruiting.
See this thread for further details.
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2006.04.26 18:36:00 -
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I like this one the most
Originally by: F2C MaDMaXX
I am a director, and none of us know.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.26 18:37:00 -
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Raid,
We're not unrealistic. We're setting an example and helping small corps. We don't expect the wind of fire to sweep Eve overnight, or even in major places. One we DO do is tweak the nose of the worst of the Pig-Dogs, and your arrogant claims on the resources of Curse as your own names you among them.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.26 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Raid,
We're not unrealistic. We're setting an example and helping small corps. We don't expect the wind of fire to sweep Eve overnight, or even in major places. One we DO do is tweak the nose of the worst of the Pig-Dogs, and your arrogant claims on the resources of Curse as your own names you among them.
This isnt the galactic summit that wont work here. No one here will ever believe we are the worst or the worse when it comes to NBSI, so please save it for the summit. 
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Bo Billings
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Posted - 2006.04.26 21:15:00 -
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F2C - I certainly have no wish to shoot you without you even knowing why its being done. I guess many of us had just assumed that all ISS would be in the know of ISS activities everywhere. I realize after reading this thread that ISS is probably so large its leadership may be spread into vastly separate divisions.
I'll try to give you the whole story in a short time line style memo.
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ISS construct Marginis Station in Catch 0.0 and set up shop.
From Marginis there are basically x3 routes back into empire the shortest being through the Northern Curse region which is home to the CC Alliance who were at war with the CDC Alliance. Making this route a warzone riddled path.
Some ISS chose to brave this shorter route and as happens to neutrals in a warzone they were shot by both warring faction and even some others.
ISS hired mercenaries to blast this route open by destroying these smaller warring groups. This backfired more or less, as these groups that were fighting each other joined forces to fend off the mercs. This created the Curse Tribunal which now holds the Northern Curse area and obviously is also now very anti-ISS.
ISS Marginis operatives then hired more mercs and wars with this station began and have been running a few months now. This got old the waves of Mercs stopped coming and at one point the Tribunal had decided to call a halt to major incursions to the Marginis station. Everyone's anger was still up on both sides so this never really quieted down enough to totally stop.
For some reason, unkown to us, the ISS then hired MC (mercs) to fight CC and empire war dec CC. This was anounced last week. In response CC decided to declare empire war back on the whole of the ISS. Bottom line if we can't travel empire without having to watch our backs we were going to make sure you couldn't either.
No hard feelings towards you F2C. But if someone hires killers to get you then it doesn't make much sense to sit and wait for the killers to come for you. So if I see you I'll have to shoot you. Best thing, as a director, would be for you to get involved, turn the ISS Marginis management team around a bit and get this thing resolved to everyones satisfaction.
Bo Billings
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King Leonidas
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Posted - 2006.04.26 21:22:00 -
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I'd shoot sun'ra in the face too.
But that's only coz he's t3h s3x.
Raid does it coz they don't have anyone else to play with and are scared to leave their space to rumble.
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Gaul Cascade
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Posted - 2006.04.26 21:36:00 -
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Official-ish statement:
F2C MaDMaXX, please check the ISS forum, should have all the answers you need. No need to make a post about CC's beef with ISS on the Eve-Online.com forum.
Thank you and good night.
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Shai Faetal
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Posted - 2006.04.26 21:47:00 -
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man what are all the pirates doing in iss navy 
/me points at sun ra
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2006.04.26 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shai Faetal
man what are all the pirates doing in iss navy
/me points at sun ra
*waves hand around*
there are no pirats in eve
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Ripp Tyde
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Posted - 2006.04.26 22:05:00 -
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sun ra is not a pirate! he is just misunderstood as a person ..
/emote whispers in suns ear .... come to the light
Ripp Tyde
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Agent2 Holtze
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Posted - 2006.04.27 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: Agent2 Holtze on 27/04/2006 00:07:11
They must have seen how ISS fight and then they decided to figth against a million battle badgers.
=) Anyway, good luck to both of you.
Cheers
Agent2 Holtze
Edit: Oh and post this in allince forum, it kinda makes ISS look bad here =/ in some way
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Pride NL
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Posted - 2006.04.27 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: F2C MaDMaXX
Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
Originally by: F2C MaDMaXX
I am a director, and none of us know.
It's impossible you don't know why !
The fact that i have access to a concord mail stating a war dec doesn't really shed much light on the matter :(
Though the evemail should mean to you: Watch out, get intel, don't move alone, dont autopilot.
You don't need a reason for the war to stay alive
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Lienzo
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Posted - 2006.04.27 05:37:00 -
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Edited by: Lienzo on 27/04/2006 05:36:56
Should be interesting to see what will result from the war if it is pursued with any earnest sincerity.
One the one hand, we might see if CC can survive in 0.0 (tactically, politically, and organizationally) without camping on the border between 0.0 and empire.
On the other hand, we might see if ISS can actually get more than a handful of its members out of empire while still maintaining it's standard public relations protocol.
More likely though, I bet we see nothing at all.
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Begottenotmade
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Posted - 2006.04.27 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shai Faetal
man what are all the pirates doing in iss navy
/me points at sun ra
By the looks of some of the ships and such allocated to the PVPers in ISS..i would think about joining too.. :p. perks 4tw
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2006.04.27 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Begottenotmade
Originally by: Shai Faetal
man what are all the pirates doing in iss navy
/me points at sun ra
By the looks of some of the ships and such allocated to the PVPers in ISS..i would think about joining too.. :p. perks 4tw
I pay for my own ships thanks
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.27 09:14:00 -
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Curse Coalition are deluded if they think ISS paid billions of ISK to the MC just to wardec them.
They are building 3 outposts next month in case you hadnt noticed - the CC wardec thing is just a side show, designed to prevent MC from getting bored.
MC are contracted to ensure the outposts go up - indeed this is confirmed by the subheading of the ISS contract on the MC website 'More egg warming'.
Nuff said. CC, stop being nublets and try and get the bigger picture once in a while.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.04.27 09:17:00 -
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I was told ISSN do things like "Here's a 100 tech 1 frigs and mods, go lose them" or "here's a battleship, go have fun"
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.04.27 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki
I was told ISSN do things like "Here's a 100 tech 1 frigs and mods, go lose them" or "here's a battleship, go have fun"
That pretty much sums us up. We're a little crazy around the edges.
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Raven Hyperbollic
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Posted - 2006.04.27 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Krackerjack
Curse Coalition are deluded if they think ISS paid billions of ISK to the MC just to wardec them.
They are building 3 outposts next month in case you hadnt noticed - the CC wardec thing is just a side show, designed to prevent MC from getting bored.
MC are contracted to ensure the outposts go up - indeed this is confirmed by the subheading of the ISS contract on the MC website 'More egg warming'.
Nuff said. CC, stop being nublets and try and get the bigger picture once in a while.
Well whatever the reason ISS '3rd Party' war Deced the Curse Coalition making a war with your neighbours is not the wise thing to do if your main goal is to make ISK like ISS do.
If it was to Stop MC getting bored and attacking ISS interests then maybe it should be in talks with its neighbours and not hiring Mercs to Make us even more angry. Well hands up for the ISS to make the region more unstable by some Upsetting two Curse Alliances which live in it's back door instead of coming to somekind of Agreement.
As a CEO of one of the Corps in CC I say as long has ISS continues make hostile moves by hiring rent-a-goons (TM) to attack CC interests then I will personally gaurantee you I will make sure ISS interests will not be safe either.
On another note I have been happy in empire targeting and destroying ISS targets. But I am upset to see how many ISS have said in Local 'why are you attacking us we have done nothing wrong'
ISS next time you Hire goons to attack Your neighbours instead of using diplomats. Tell ALL your corps why we will be knocking on the door of every system we find to target in empire.
If I was a Corp In ISS and they teated me like that I'd be thinking of finding a better Alliance.
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.04.27 09:55:00 -
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It's ok ISS, we had a Director in one of our corps ask if FFA (French Force Alliance) was hostile or not after being in Chimp for over 3 months and us being at war with the RA since our birth.
It really adds fuel to the old fire of the higher you go in a company the less sence you get.
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.27 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Krackerjack on 27/04/2006 10:13:48
Originally by: Raven Hyperbollic
Well whatever the reason ISS '3rd Party' war Deced the Curse Coalition making a war with your neighbours is not the wise thing to do if your main goal is to make ISK like ISS do.
If it was to Stop MC getting bored and attacking ISS interests then maybe it should be in talks with its neighbours and not hiring Mercs to Make us even more angry. Well hands up for the ISS to make the region more unstable by some Upsetting two Curse Alliances which live in it's back door instead of coming to somekind of Agreement.
As a CEO of one of the Corps in CC I say as long has ISS continues make hostile moves by hiring rent-a-goons (TM) to attack CC interests then I will personally gaurantee you I will make sure ISS interests will not be safe either.
On another note I have been happy in empire targeting and destroying ISS targets. But I am upset to see how many ISS have said in Local 'why are you attacking us we have done nothing wrong'
ISS next time you Hire goons to attack Your neighbours instead of using diplomats. Tell ALL your corps why we will be knocking on the door of every system we find to target in empire.
If I was a Corp In ISS and they teated me like that I'd be thinking of finding a better Alliance.
ISS are a unique alliance though, its not a case of 'better' because their setup is quite unique. They are an entry point for industrial corps to break into 0.0 space - who else offers that kind of opportunity in multiple 0.0 regions? Every Alliance has nublets who arent with the programme (like the OP) and don't bother reading their forums. Thats hardly a unique problem to ISS.
ISS are far, far too decentralised for you to hurt in an empire war. You will just spread yourself really thinly and eventually run out of ISK (which they won't do, as their industry is spread through virtually all regions of EVE).
The very fact you guys have left 0.0, and left ISS alone to put up their outposts, means you have played right into their hands. Congratulations - you gave ISS exactly what they wanted. Their tactic worked. They won.
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Pride NL
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Posted - 2006.04.27 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Hyperbollic
Originally by: Krackerjack
Curse Coalition are deluded if they think ISS paid billions of ISK to the MC just to wardec them.
They are building 3 outposts next month in case you hadnt noticed - the CC wardec thing is just a side show, designed to prevent MC from getting bored.
MC are contracted to ensure the outposts go up - indeed this is confirmed by the subheading of the ISS contract on the MC website 'More egg warming'.
Nuff said. CC, stop being nublets and try and get the bigger picture once in a while.
Well whatever the reason ISS '3rd Party' war Deced the Curse Coalition making a war with your neighbours is not the wise thing to do if your main goal is to make ISK like ISS do.
If it was to Stop MC getting bored and attacking ISS interests then maybe it should be in talks with its neighbours and not hiring Mercs to Make us even more angry. Well hands up for the ISS to make the region more unstable by some Upsetting two Curse Alliances which live in it's back door instead of coming to somekind of Agreement.
As a CEO of one of the Corps in CC I say as long has ISS continues make hostile moves by hiring rent-a-goons (TM) to attack CC interests then I will personally gaurantee you I will make sure ISS interests will not be safe either.
On another note I have been happy in empire targeting and destroying ISS targets. But I am upset to see how many ISS have said in Local 'why are you attacking us we have done nothing wrong'
ISS next time you Hire goons to attack Your neighbours instead of using diplomats. Tell ALL your corps why we will be knocking on the door of every system we find to target in empire.
If I was a Corp In ISS and they teated me like that I'd be thinking of finding a better Alliance.
was it not CC and CDC that raided and raids KDF? At the station? Who are you to say defending is a hostile act?!
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.04.27 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Krackerjack
Curse Coalition are deluded if they think ISS paid billions of ISK to the MC just to wardec them.
They are building 3 outposts next month in case you hadnt noticed - the CC wardec thing is just a side show, designed to prevent MC from getting bored.
You mean that someone might have hired us to stop ISS from setting up these outposts?? That we could be blowing them up instead of helping guard them? NEAT!! However, that didn't happen.
Originally by: Raven Hyperbollic
As a CEO of one of the Corps in CC I say as long has ISS continues make hostile moves by hiring rent-a-goons (TM) to attack CC interests then I will personally gaurantee you I will make sure ISS interests will not be safe either.
'Rent-a-goon'... I like that. *emails Riz to work on a new banner...*
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Boonaki
I was told ISSN do things like "Here's a 100 tech 1 frigs and mods, go lose them" or "here's a battleship, go have fun"
That pretty much sums us up. We're a little crazy around the edges.
Butter Dog has his people trained to self-destruct for us when we are bored. "Look, MC, an explosion!" Ooooohhh....
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Pride NL
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Posted - 2006.04.27 10:37:00 -
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expect a ISSN road tour SoonÖ
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.04.27 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Pride NL
expect a ISSN road tour SoonÖ
hehe, yeah... we've been so busy with outpost related stuff, it will be nice to return to plain and simple violence
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Hehulk
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Posted - 2006.04.27 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Hyperbollic
Well whatever the reason ISS '3rd Party' war Deced the Curse Coalition making a war with your neighbours is not the wise thing to do if your main goal is to make ISK like ISS do.
Not trying to split hairs, but I though the ISS existed to get 0.0 popoulated.
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maGz
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Posted - 2006.04.27 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Pride NL
expect a ISSN road tour SoonÖ
hehe, yeah... we've been so busy with outpost related stuff, it will be nice to return to plain and simple violence
Wahoo... Time to get the Bomberpoc out again
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FowlPlayChiken
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Posted - 2006.04.27 12:23:00 -
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ISSN make good sacrifices to the GM fate. :-d
bawk
also, issn is secretely the rich pirates retirement home. *points at some of its seedier members*
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.27 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
You mean that someone might have hired us to stop ISS from setting up these outposts?? That we could be blowing them up instead of helping guard them? NEAT!! However, that didn't happen.
Originally by: Krackerjack
The very fact you guys have left 0.0, and left ISS alone to put up their outposts, means you have played right into their hands. Congratulations - you gave ISS exactly what they wanted. Their tactic worked. They won.
I have said it in many statements and in many different ways yet you still refuse to understand. We have no interest in your useless outposts that sit on top of useless space.
We do not hire anyone to do our PVPing for us. Why anyone wishes to pay someone else to take targets away I will never know. If its to try and acomplish something they cant do themselves then they shouldnt be attempting it in the first place.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.27 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
If its to try and acomplish something they cant do themselves then they shouldnt be attempting it in the first place.
I hear what you're saying... but... they CAN accomplish it, because they are obscenely rich. People will do their PvPing for them because they pay them. Thats just as valid as doing your own fighting.
ISK talks, bull**** walks.
Economic might is just as powerful, if not more, than military power.
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Bo Billings
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Posted - 2006.04.27 14:47:00 -
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Kracker wrote:
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ISS are a unique alliance though, its not a case of 'better' because their setup is quite unique. They are an entry point for industrial corps to break into 0.0 space - who else offers that kind of opportunity in multiple 0.0 regions? Every Alliance has nublets who arent with the programme (like the OP) and don't bother reading their forums. Thats hardly a unique problem to ISS.
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Please consider a few points.
This is far from the first war in Curse. We have long ago learned to use a dispersed logistics system to ensure ship replacements and in time this grew beyond even our wildest dreams. We make more money in one week just off ISS interests alone that they're actually paying for the war themselves. This was not an accident we engineered this situation. Our ship construction industry is bigger than you give us credit for and just as secure not to mention profitable. This war can easily go on for months and no one is going to run out of isk or ships.
As for you assement that "ISS are winning because we're all spread thin" things couldn't be further from the truth.
DO NOT take my word for it. Scan the kill boards. Curse forces destroyed several ISS BS in 0.0 just yesterday and a few even next to the ISS Marginis station in KDF. The Curse corridore is still controlled much as it usually is and kills there on the boards also show it. In empire our alt characters and noob pilots are getting training experience and forcing travel denial on ISS assets there. We get some kills and they get some kills. However, they are no longer able to do what they normally do in empire. Free mining and trading have given way to gate camps, station camps, long coordinated blob moves or just plain staying in stations. These newer empire ISS are not the rich barons the 0.0 station erecting ISS are. Eventually this lack of income/play will get to them. All the while the 0.0 ISS are paying big isk to MC to chase ghosts and babysit eggs. ISS still get they're ships shot and are not able to use the travel routes of 0.0 as they would like. Don't get me wrong MC is a very good merc corp and choice for the job but even they can't be everwhere. I'm sure they knew this as much going into this as we did, that if we countered with spread guerilla tactics then they're CC portion of the job would be a lot harder.
If your point of view is that a force no longer able to do what it used to then considered to be losing. Then the killboard evidence would show CC by far, in control of the current situation even by your own logic.
This could be a long protracted war.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.27 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Krackerjack
Originally by: Raid
If its to try and acomplish something they cant do themselves then they shouldnt be attempting it in the first place.
I hear what you're saying... but... they CAN accomplish it, because they are obscenely rich. People will do their PvPing for them because they pay them. Thats just as valid as doing your own fighting.
ISK talks, bull**** walks.
Economic might is just as powerful, if not more, than military power.
That was in response to seleene who is suggesting we should have hired them to fight ISS. I was not refering to ISS specifically.. If we are unable to destroy an outpost egg being deplyed at 0700 then we do not attempt to do so. That is what I was refering to.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.27 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bo Billings
As for you assement that "ISS are winning because we're all spread thin" things couldn't be further from the truth.
DO NOT take my word for it. Scan the kill boards. Curse forces destroyed several ISS BS in 0.0 just yesterday and a few even next to the ISS Marginis station in KDF.
But.... so what? You killed a few ISS battleships? They have 1500 people in their alliance. They are incredibly rich. Do you really think they care? Raid himself said wars are not won or lost based on ship kills. You have been killing ISS ships for a long time, so this is nothing new, and I don't see their alliance crumbling. I see them getting stronger. I see them growing. I see them getting more and more powerful friends, more outposts, and more ISK.
CC on the other hand, are throwing themselves across the four corners of EVE, both running from the MC in Curse and sending little squads all over EVE trying to search for kills. I've just looked at the ISS killboard - they are seriously beating you in terms of ISK damage since the MC contract started.
How long do you think your alliance can keep this up? How are you going to earn your ISK to fund this? Its *not sustainable*, you know, everyone knows it. If it comes to a war of ISK attrition then ISS will win. You killing a few ISS battleships means absolutely nothing to them. Its like a drop in an ocean and I very much doubt they even noticed.
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Lt Hole
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Posted - 2006.04.27 16:38:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Krackerjack
How long do you think your alliance can keep this up? How are you going to earn your ISK to fund this? Its *not sustainable*, you know, everyone knows it. If it comes to a war of ISK attrition then ISS will win. You killing a few ISS battleships means absolutely nothing to them. Its like a drop in an ocean and I very much doubt they even noticed.
Lt does a quick check of his wallet and laughs.
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.27 16:52:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Lt Hole
Lt does a quick check of his wallet and laughs.
Your personal ISK has nothing to do with it. Though I'm sure there are plenty of T2 BPO owners in ISS with more, but thats not the point is it.
Which is the richer alliance? Who has the most diverse industrial activity? Who can hurt who the most?
I think we all know the answer to those questions.
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Bo Billings
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Posted - 2006.04.27 17:11:00 -
[55]
Kracker wrote-
Quote:
Which is the richer alliance? Who has the most diverse industrial activity? Who can hurt who the most?
hmm...perhaps you might want to read my last post again or maybe just read it in the first place.
My point on the ship kills has nothing to do with how many. The point is WHERE they are. You said we were hiding or abandoning our home. The killboards show this not to be the case. As for isk per kill we destroyed an MC cerebus earlier carrying 1.3 billion in rare mods. We figure it was actually moving to do agent missions or something. <shrug> Anyhow, the sale of those mods alone far out weighed all combined losses of the common alt junk we've tossed into the empire effort to date. Not to mention the ISS kills which are similarly stocked with high grade mods that immediately sell in empire.
My previous point on isk...we use a diverse logistics system and well understand the effects isk and ship replacement have on long protracted wars. We have engineered a situation by which the ISS are actually fronting the costs of our side of the war. We don't use our personal isk or even corp isk for this war. Its all ISS isk. The only way we'll lose the isk you speak of is if the ISS some how collapse as a corporation. Untill that happens the isk will flow. The ISS are by far the richer alliance but our spending is subsidized by them making it impossible for us to lose the isk fight no matter how much money they have.
Logistics is not about who has the most money.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.27 17:24:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Bo Billings
We don't use our personal isk or even corp isk for this war. Its all ISS isk. The only way we'll lose the isk you speak of is if the ISS some how collapse as a corporation.
Theres nothing like blowing up a ship then having the pilot buy another one back from you. We also enjoy the roids in and around Calico.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.27 17:25:00 -
[57]
Your post makes an interesting reading in theory but the facts don't add up. Not when you look at the evidence.
You can't win a war against ISS. Ever. And thats the bottom line.
The only ones who stand to lose anything are you guys.
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Lt Hole
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Posted - 2006.04.27 18:40:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Krackerjack
Originally by: Lt Hole
Lt does a quick check of his wallet and laughs.
Your personal ISK has nothing to do with it. Though I'm sure there are plenty of T2 BPO owners in ISS with more, but thats not the point is it.
Which is the richer alliance? Who has the most diverse industrial activity? Who can hurt who the most?
I think we all know the answer to those questions.
Oh noes! ISS is the only alliance that has tech II BPO's and lots of isk! We're all doomed!
"Oh noes! What happend to your ship Lt?"
"Damn ISS blew a hole in it with an isk cannon!"
"An isk cannon?"
"Yea, they stuck a wad of isk up Krackerjack's butt and he farted. Damn wad went right through the shields and armor. The bridge smells to high heaven."
"How is that possible from a fart?"
"Well, you know Krackerjack. He's full of hot air so...."
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Kristoffer
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:53:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Krackerjack
Edited by: Krackerjack on 27/04/2006 17:27:35
edit: and the ISS killboard shows they have killed vastly more isk than you since the MC contract started... haha
You sir are totally and utterly insane.
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Valkazm
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Posted - 2006.04.27 20:04:00 -
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i love how the iss corps were not informed and then excuse there ship loss like iss just made that as a diversion im sure all the ones that lost there ships in empire will like the iss mastermind thinking
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.27 21:15:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Raid
Theres nothing like blowing up a ship then having the pilot buy another one back from you. We also enjoy the roids in and around Calico.
Pfft. Sell them back the fittings of the ship they just lost to you. At inflated prices.
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:18:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Kristoffer
Originally by: Krackerjack
Edited by: Krackerjack on 27/04/2006 17:27:35
edit: and the ISS killboard shows they have killed vastly more isk than you since the MC contract started... haha
You sir are totally and utterly insane.
Well have you seen the ISS killboard? I have.
They are pounding Curse Coaltion from an ISK damage perspective.
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Hoshi
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:59:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Krackerjack
Well have you seen the ISS killboard? I have.
They are pounding Curse Coaltion from an ISK damage perspective.
In that case I think they are not posting all their losses, in the last 5 days we have killed almost 150 ISS ships including 13 battleships.
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Hehulk
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Posted - 2006.04.28 00:10:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Krackerjack
Well have you seen the ISS killboard? I have.
They are pounding Curse Coaltion from an ISK damage perspective.
In that case I think they are not posting all their losses, in the last 5 days we have killed almost 150 ISS ships including 13 battleships.
Mind evemailing me a link? I've got access to the ISS board so it's be interesting to see both, as most alliances suck at posting loss mails, ime.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.28 00:37:00 -
[65]
We have access to the ISS board as well... and its FULL of red... you guys lose more ships than any two other large alliances combined.. A fair ammount of those are to our hands.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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WereWatchingEverything
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Posted - 2006.04.28 00:39:00 -
[66]
Edited by: WereWatchingEverything on 28/04/2006 00:39:18
http://cursed.griefwatch.net/
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Hehulk
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Posted - 2006.04.28 00:49:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Krackerjack
Well have you seen the ISS killboard? I have.
They are pounding Curse Coaltion from an ISK damage perspective.
In that case I think they are not posting all their losses, in the last 5 days we have killed almost 150 ISS ships including 13 battleships.
I hate to nit-pick, but your boards are missing some kills too. Someone mind asking ghostintheshell what happened to his brutix? or his pod? Cause they ain't up yet 
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.28 01:06:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Hehulk
I hate to nit-pick, but your boards are missing some kills too. Someone mind asking ghostintheshell what happened to his brutix? or his pod? Cause they ain't up yet
No killboard is 100% accurate.. I can point out ships that havnt been posted on the V and ISS boards as well... but that doesnt really make a difference in the long run.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Atandros
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Posted - 2006.04.28 01:06:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Hehulk
Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Krackerjack
Well have you seen the ISS killboard? I have.
They are pounding Curse Coaltion from an ISK damage perspective.
In that case I think they are not posting all their losses, in the last 5 days we have killed almost 150 ISS ships including 13 battleships.
I hate to nit-pick, but your boards are missing some kills too. Someone mind asking ghostintheshell what happened to his brutix? or his pod? Cause they ain't up yet
Hm...and while we're at it I'd like them to ask Alex Wraith what happened to his Dominix, pod and Kestrel as well.
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.28 07:31:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Krackerjack on 28/04/2006 07:35:21
Originally by: Raid
We have access to the ISS board as well... and its FULL of red... you guys lose more ships than any two other large alliances combined.. A fair ammount of those are to our hands.
Yeah, lots of red in the form of T1 frigates, and lots of T2 ship kills. As I said, ISK wise they are winning.
Number of ships lost is hardly important when they deliberately suicide T1 ships for the insurance and kill your T2 ships at the same time.
For example, last night I see 6 CC kills totalling about 30m ISK damage, and a couple of T1 frigate losses totalling... well, nothing.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.28 12:23:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Krackerjack
Edited by: Krackerjack on 28/04/2006 07:35:21
Originally by: Raid
We have access to the ISS board as well... and its FULL of red... you guys lose more ships than any two other large alliances combined.. A fair ammount of those are to our hands.
Yeah, lots of red in the form of T1 frigates, and lots of T2 ship kills. As I said, ISK wise they are winning.
Number of ships lost is hardly important when they deliberately suicide T1 ships for the insurance and kill your T2 ships at the same time.
For example, last night I see 6 CC kills totalling about 30m ISK damage, and a couple of T1 frigate losses totalling... well, nothing.
Come on dude... your not going to spout garbage like that with a link to our killboard a few posts above
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.28 12:43:00 -
[72]
Raid, you know as well as I do that getting a few T1 kills off a sprawling industrial alliance is not difficult. Your stats are unimpressive, to say the least, compared to what other wardeccers have achieved against the ISS.
My points all stand - this war is hurting you far more than its hurting the ISS, its like water off a ducks back to them. I hear they camped you guys into Doril last night? Makes a change I suppose, you've done it in KDF enough times.
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Kylor
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Posted - 2006.04.28 13:12:00 -
[73]
Kracker wrote:
Quote:
My points all stand - this war is hurting you far more than its hurting the ISS, its like water off a ducks back to them. I hear they camped you guys into Doril last night? Makes a change I suppose, you've done it in KDF enough times.
"Camped" is a bit of a stretch. After the call went out to log in main character in Curse to agress both ISS and LV fleets that were there I parked the alt and switched. I barely had time to log in and get set for Doril before you guys were headed at high speed back to KDF.
Perhaps you should say you "visited" one of the stations in Doril. I had to log onto the kill board to see if anything actually happened as it was over so fast. Seems ISS killed a guy in a raptor that was undocking with your 20+ ships. Now local showed 34 ships when I logged in and ISS were already at the utopia gate on their way out with 20 of them. What exactly were they leaving for? Perhaps the prospect that we were logging into Curse to put this "camp" of theirs to the test?
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.28 13:26:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Krackerjack
Raid, you know as well as I do that getting a few T1 kills off a sprawling industrial alliance is not difficult. Your stats are unimpressive, to say the least, compared to what other wardeccers have achieved against the ISS.
My points all stand - this war is hurting you far more than its hurting the ISS, its like water off a ducks back to them. I hear they camped you guys into Doril last night? Makes a change I suppose, you've done it in KDF enough times.
I have personally killed 6 ISS battleships in the last 36 hours so please... save it.
This little discussion we're having about kills and loses is getting stupid. We know whats going on, you know whats going on.. end it there.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.28 13:32:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Krackerjack on 28/04/2006 13:32:56
Originally by: Raid
I have personally killed 6 ISS battleships in the last 36 hours so please... save it.
This little discussion we're having about kills and loses is getting stupid. We know whats going on, you know whats going on.. end it there.
Again, Raid, you are choosing to miss the point.
YOU stated that wars are not about ship losses. ISS don't care how many ships you kill, that is par for the course, you do it anyway so it makes no difference.
The difference now, is that you guys are running scared out of curse and moveing out to empire in a bizarre dispursal act. How long is that going to last before people get bored?
ISS are spread all about EVE anyway, thats the way they are structured, to do the same thing yourself, means you leave your home territory. And for what? Some lowly T1 ship kills ISS can easily afford to replace.
This isnt a war about ship losses, its about disrupting your activity.
I'm told the ISSN left Doril last night because they got bored. CC were docked up and smacktalking - always a sign of weakness and lack of leadership I might add.
Face the facts: You are losing this war, and no matter what you do, you will never be able to hurt ISS more than they can hurt you.
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Lt Hole
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Posted - 2006.04.28 14:42:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Krackerjack
Face the facts: You are losing this war, and no matter what you do, you will never be able to hurt ISS more than they can hurt you.
That's too bad because I was having a ball.
Oh Krackerjack, you're always good for a laugh.
Thanks man.
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hass
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:04:00 -
[77]
yes.. i am a banama ! fear me.. ok ?
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:34:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Krackerjack
Again, Raid, you are choosing to miss the point.
YOU stated that wars are not about ship losses. ISS don't care how many ships you kill, that is par for the course, you do it anyway so it makes no difference.
The difference now, is that you guys are running scared out of curse and moveing out to empire in a bizarre dispursal act. How long is that going to last before people get bored?
ISS are spread all about EVE anyway, thats the way they are structured, to do the same thing yourself, means you leave your home territory. And for what? Some lowly T1 ship kills ISS can easily afford to replace.
This isnt a war about ship losses, its about disrupting your activity.
I'm told the ISSN left Doril last night because they got bored. CC were docked up and smacktalking - always a sign of weakness and lack of leadership I might add.
Face the facts: You are losing this war, and no matter what you do, you will never be able to hurt ISS more than they can hurt you.
uh HELLLLLLO???
Are we reading the same thread here? Did I bring up the topic of killboards and isk lost or did you? (post #57)
You suggest we're losing more isk via ship loses than you are.. im responding by saying we arnt and providing facts to back that up. Now your coming back and say that ships loses dont win wars... so WHY would YOU bring it up in the first place?
Are you arguing for the sake of arguing? or are you actually going to respond to the points we are making. I say something, you respond by saying no thats not true but provide nothing in the way of facts other than your word, or second hand information.
You say a war against ISS can never be won. Then what is your definition of a war that is won? Are we even trying to destroy the ISS alliance? Your argument is based on the assumption that you know exactly what the reasons for a war are and that you know exactly how everyone is operating and exactly how much isk the individual corporations and its members have.
You know what they say about assumptions right?
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:43:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Krackerjack
CC were docked up and smacktalking - always a sign of weakness and lack of leadership I might add.
one more thing... this quote right here, is the funniest thing ever. ISS combat consists of sitting outside the station in docking range then docking when enough hostiles come into system. To quote mongo... yap yap yap
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:44:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Raid
uh HELLLLLLO???
Are we reading the same thread here? Did I bring up the topic of killboards and isk lost or did you? (post #57)
You suggest we're losing more isk via ship loses than you are.. im responding by saying we arnt and providing facts to back that up. Now your coming back and say that ships loses dont win wars... so WHY would YOU bring it up in the first place?
Are you arguing for the sake of arguing? or are you actually going to respond to the points we are making. I say something, you respond by saying no thats not true but provide nothing in the way of facts other than your word, or second hand information.
You say a war against ISS can never be won. Then what is your definition of a war that is won? Are we even trying to destroy the ISS alliance? Your argument is based on the assumption that you know exactly what the reasons for a war are and that you know exactly how everyone is operating and exactly how much isk the individual corporations and its members have.
You know what they say about assumptions right?
Raid, you make me laugh.
You're such a naughtly little nublet. I'm going to have spank your botty if you don't start behaving.
PS - ISS 4tw \o/
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Mynas Atoch
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:46:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Kylor
"Camped" is a bit of a stretch. After the call went out to log in main character in Curse to agress both ISS and LV fleets that were there I parked the alt and switched. I barely had time to log in and get set for Doril before you guys were headed at high speed back to KDF.
Perhaps you should say you "visited" one of the stations in Doril. I had to log onto the kill board to see if anything actually happened as it was over so fast. Seems ISS killed a guy in a raptor that was undocking with your 20+ ships. Now local showed 34 ships when I logged in and ISS were already at the utopia gate on their way out with 20 of them. What exactly were they leaving for? Perhaps the prospect that we were logging into Curse to put this "camp" of theirs to the test?
Sorry we missed you, mate. I'm sure both sides would have loved a test, and "LV" too who were looking for a rumble and were disappointed to discover us already there. We dropped by and sat outside for a while, but it seemed a bit pointless with only six or so of you in-station, and a couple loose in the system. If we had known you were logging more on we would have waited longer. With hindight, one of your guys said something about that, but it was before and after so much bollox that I didn't give it any credibility. My mistake 
Yes, we outnumbered your people, but we always come up with inferior ships so that didn't seem to me a big deal. Some of your guys came down later, and we made a POINT of only getting into T1 frigs'n'stuff so we could get an engagement, but sadly we couldn't catch up with you.
We don't really have much experience at this station camping stuff ... if you need us to do it for longer and with greater numbers, I'll talk to the boss and see what we can arrange.
btw ... the market in those NPC stations you live in is shocking :( Though, if you want to point out anything you have on special offer, I'll be sure to look out for it.
Mynas Atoch
ISS Navy Task Force
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:47:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Raid
one more thing... this quote right here, is the funniest thing ever. ISS combat consists of sitting outside the station in docking range then docking when enough hostiles come into system. To quote mongo... yap yap yap
I guess you'd prefer it if all the nublet industrialist undocked and got ganked, but I guess they're not as stupid as you hoped.
The funniest thing - you can't dock
Unlike ISS in 'your' stations... because... oh noes, they're not actually your stations
PS - I hear ISSN have opened an office in one of the Curse stations... can you guess which one
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:48:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Krackerjack
Raid, you make me laugh.
You're such a naughtly little nublet. I'm going to have spank your botty if you don't start behaving.
PS - ISS 4tw \o/
Thats it? No more assumptions? Alright then i guess we're done here.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Raven Hyperbollic
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:53:00 -
[84]
Well this war is not hurting Paradox's Wallet or My wallet. I have not lost one ship Yet to the ISS since the war started and I must have popped at least 10.
All I hear about is ISS loss after loss. Yes we do take losses every party in any war does. But did you hear about the ceribrus worth a total of 1.25 bil the CC took down near tash Murkon the other night..
Thanks for the faction loot... I'm planning my Jovian holiday right now.
It's true about killboards, the only thing you can take for being right are the actual kill posts. Even I'll admit I don't like posting losses, who does?
Theres no sign where I am sitting the Curse Coalition is anything but in high spirits.
I think a lesson needs to be learnt by the ISk loving ISS... talk to your neighbours before hiring hostile forces to hit at them in their own territory.
I hope the ISS is learning this right now...
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:54:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Raid
Thats it? No more assumptions? Alright then i guess we're done here.
You're so hopelessly deluded there doesnt seem much point.
Your alliance is falling to bits, you lack strategic direction, you can only fight an industrial alliance (and even then you lose), and you choose to split hairs over ship kills.
Now bend over and get what you deserve
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:55:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Raven Hyperbollic
W
I hope the ISS is learning this right now...
This is pure comedy. You guys think killing an MC ship hurts the ISS.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:59:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Krackerjack
I guess you'd prefer it if all the nublet industrialist undocked and got ganked, but I guess they're not as stupid as you hoped.
The funniest thing - you can't dock
Yes we would love it if they all undocked at got ganked.
We dont want to dock in your otupost.
Quote:
Unlike ISS in 'your' stations... because... oh noes, they're not actually your stations
PS - I hear ISSN have opened an office in one of the Curse stations... can you guess which one
Nice you figured out how NPC stations work, congrats.
/me hands uncle kracker his award.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Lt Hole
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Posted - 2006.04.28 16:09:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Krackerjack
You just can't hurt them and they don't care what you say on this forum because you mean nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Your place in EVE is as a squatter in NPC stations. Nothing more.
Yet you feel the need to squeal and whine about us on the forums.
Yep, we're not hurting you at all.
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.28 16:13:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Lt Hole
Yet you feel the need to squeal and whine about us on the forums.
Yep, we're not hurting you at all.
You're another one who needs to be taught a lesson you won't forget - bend over and clench those cheeks... this is gonna get nasty
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.28 16:13:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Krackerjack
**lots of wild assumptions**
You're obviously not a PVP pilot and your obviously no where near as experienced in this game as i am. So I will chalk up your total lack of knowledge to those factors and end this discussion. You know where to find me.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Lt Hole
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Posted - 2006.04.28 16:14:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Krackerjack
Originally by: Lt Hole
Yet you feel the need to squeal and whine about us on the forums.
Yep, we're not hurting you at all.
You're another one who needs to be taught a lesson you won't forget - bend over and clench those cheeks... this is gonna get nasty
Use your agent, find me. Bring it.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.28 16:21:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Raid on 28/04/2006 16:21:27
Originally by: Butter Dog
*sigh*
CC, please ignore the smacktalking alt.
Alt - please stop it, you're not doing ISS any favours.
QFT
No more feeding this troll please.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.04.28 16:21:00 -
[93]
*sigh*
CC, please ignore the smacktalking alt.
Alt - please stop it, you're not doing ISS any favours.
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Lt Hole
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Posted - 2006.04.28 16:27:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Raid
Edited by: Raid on 28/04/2006 16:21:27
Originally by: Butter Dog
*sigh*
CC, please ignore the smacktalking alt.
Alt - please stop it, you're not doing ISS any favours.
QFT
No more feeding this troll please.
Butter Dog, I didn't know he wasn't ISS. My bad.
And Raid, I'll stop feeding the troll.
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.28 16:33:00 -
[95]
And since when could you say what I could or couldn't post, Butter Nub.
Rather than forum whoring maybe you could get the ISSN people into curse and give CC what they deserve. Or are you too scared
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Soumk
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Posted - 2006.04.28 16:51:00 -
[96]
Maybe ISS and CC should team up to kill Krackerjack. He seems to be trying to make things worse between them.
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Ender Fal
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Posted - 2006.04.29 04:04:00 -
[97]
ok, first of all, you have to look at who war deced on whom. technically ISS deced on CC, so you have to look at this situation and see if ISS is acomplishing whatever goal they had by declaring war. in my opinion, they are acomplishing whatever they set out. they have created a huge mess, something to talk about. i even think that not fully informing all of their members just plays one more role in this plan.
ISS will have 5 (FIVE) outposts up and running within a few weeks, if our assumptions are correct. now we all now how many billions of isk that requires to do one, let alone three at the same time. CC cannot possibly harm or interupt ISS's operations, they are simply too large and entirely too much money to shell out to its pilots. on the contrary, there have been considerably fewer CC seen in the KDF area over the past few weeks.
ISS knew that CC would declare back on them, so they hired MC to declare. this provokes CC to declare on ISS, which brings most CC into Empire for the easier kills. ISS did not fully inform all their memebers, this way CC will have more unsuspecting targets, enough to keep them happy. and everyone knows that MC is more compfortable in 0.0, so most are in that area, helping to shoo away the CC that come down.
bottome line: ISS is winning. why? because CC is where ISS wants them to be: out of the way.
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MrMorph
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Posted - 2006.04.29 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: MrMorph on 29/04/2006 11:05:14
Un-official cookie post (tm):
- There is no spoon.
Neither is there any:
- conspiracy
- pirates in ISSN
- Cookies in marginis
- Love in the air
- Chinese YEN in Sun Ra's pockets....or are those japanese....well....
and most of all, theres no blody coffee in my cup !
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Bo Billings
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Posted - 2006.04.29 15:49:00 -
[99]
Ender Fal wrote:
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ISS will have 5 (FIVE) outposts up and running within a few weeks, if our assumptions are correct. now we all now how many billions of isk that requires to do one, let alone three at the same time. CC cannot possibly harm or interupt ISS's operations, they are simply too large and entirely too much money to shell out to its pilots.
Although I can see the logic in what your saying and it may in fact have been a possibility for the ISS plan it would still be a waste of the isk. CC has no serious interests in the ISS outposts as Raid stated a few times. In the long run the outposts are actually beneficial to CC contrary to what most seem to think.
But lets go with the theory that we're out to get them. Consider the effort envolved in either capturing one that is already up or the round the clock surviellence in stopping one from going up. BIG time consuming efforts on both cases with lots of waiting around.
Now lets say, for sake of argument, we go through all this and manage to capture an outpost. What would you consider our prospects of holding it not only from ISS recapture but the pack of rabid isk eyed scavengers that would decend on what was left of it and us? If CC had any interest in outposts we would be much more likely to hire ISS to run one for us than to risk running it ourselves with enemies everywhere. With the cost and effort to capture one it would also be easier for us to buy and have one placed of our own.
Now lets say for sake of argument we go through all the effort to stop an egg placement. Ok, thats that day and that weeks worth of isk. What about next week? Does this then become our lifes work in eve? To park ships in this one area and do nothing but try to ensure everyone stays out for 24/7? If we wanted to play this conquest style of eve we wouldn't be in NPC owned Curse to begin with. The prospect would kill much of the CC off out of shear boredom.
I think your logic is sound on possibilities for ISS motives. But CC really wouldn't bother with a station or even station placement denial as the long term aspects just aren't practical or likely to be all that fun. That play style would destroy us long before any ship losses would.
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Djinn Mei
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Posted - 2006.04.29 22:53:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Djinn Mei on 29/04/2006 22:55:35
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Djinn Mei
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Posted - 2006.04.29 22:55:00 -
[101]
[cough]freighter convoys[cough]
Which of the following is likely to be the isk-boyze objective(s)
- destroy CC
- drive CC out of Curse
- drive CC out of NPC stations on Doril route
- prevent CC interfering with stations
- prevent CC interfering with freighters
- access to Doril route
- alliance
- nap
- trade
- access to angel stations for factional warfare
- access to angel agents in npc stations
- access to market in npc stations
- access to NPC refinery
- entertain MC
- personal
any others?
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Valkazm
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Posted - 2006.04.30 01:24:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Butter Dog
*sigh*
CC, please ignore the smacktalking alt.
Alt - please stop it, you're not doing ISS any favours.
oh he is doing me a favour building up my rage to go and kill loads of iss
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Athon NooB
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Posted - 2006.04.30 02:18:00 -
[103]
GF HF!
Very enjoyable to date.
Athon
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Ender Fal
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Posted - 2006.04.30 06:25:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Bo Billings
Ender Fal wrote:
Quote:
ISS will have 5 (FIVE) outposts up and running within a few weeks, if our assumptions are correct. now we all now how many billions of isk that requires to do one, let alone three at the same time. CC cannot possibly harm or interupt ISS's operations, they are simply too large and entirely too much money to shell out to its pilots.
Although I can see the logic in what your saying and it may in fact have been a possibility for the ISS plan it would still be a waste of the isk. CC has no serious interests in the ISS outposts as Raid stated a few times. In the long run the outposts are actually beneficial to CC contrary to what most seem to think.
But lets go with the theory that we're out to get them. Consider the effort envolved in either capturing one that is already up or the round the clock surviellence in stopping one from going up. BIG time consuming efforts on both cases with lots of waiting around.
Now lets say, for sake of argument, we go through all this and manage to capture an outpost. What would you consider our prospects of holding it not only from ISS recapture but the pack of rabid isk eyed scavengers that would decend on what was left of it and us? If CC had any interest in outposts we would be much more likely to hire ISS to run one for us than to risk running it ourselves with enemies everywhere. With the cost and effort to capture one it would also be easier for us to buy and have one placed of our own.
Now lets say for sake of argument we go through all the effort to stop an egg placement. Ok, thats that day and that weeks worth of isk. What about next week? Does this then become our lifes work in eve? To park ships in this one area and do nothing but try to ensure everyone stays out for 24/7? If we wanted to play this conquest style of eve we wouldn't be in NPC owned Curse to begin with. The prospect would kill much of the CC off out of shear boredom.
I think your logic is sound on possibilities for ISS motives. But CC really wouldn't bother with a station or even station placement denial as the long term aspects just aren't practical or likely to be all that fun. That play style would destroy us long before any ship losses would.
I agree with you that CC taking/fully disupting an outpost operation is highly unlikely, due simply to the fact of numbers. And that wasn't really my point. My point was just that ISS is seeking to have their lives just a bit simpler by keeping CC busy. And on that subject they also keep MC busy, to their advantage.
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Jenny Lee
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Posted - 2006.05.04 16:15:00 -
[105]
Not going to get involved with all the political rubbish on the whys and wherefores. NOR do I care for conspiracy theories etc... All good fun but really who does know whats going on!?
I can say is that from the point of view of someone who is out fighting everyday in 0.0 or empire with the rest of the CC guys - I am having the best time I have had in EVE since the days of the CA/Stain conflict.
If nothing else, ISS has given me a real joy in PvP again - one that was going stale sat in Doril camping the Sendaya gate.
I know I am not a diplo or anything but I speak for most of the CC combat pilots I fly with when I say "Thanks ISS" this is great fun - long may it continue!
ps. please don't bother to flame me - I ain't interested in replying - just wanted to let you know how I felt.
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