quite absurd that ppl realise that they got scammed, when they are told to have "absolute faith" in the scammer.

I am in Jita most of the time and has over 2k plus scammers blocked and there are hundreds of new ones every day (truth be told, Jita is the cesspool of eve), but hey, if you don't want to play their game or listen to them then block. I think its funny people still fall for all the same old scams over and over agin

Well I think the OP has a point. CCP can just ban people they don't perceive as healthy for the community. They choose not to purely as a means of maximizing subscription amounts.

I've unsubscribed for 6 months and counting as a result; spend an extra few hours a month grinding to make the ISK instead. I have no issue throwing $500 a year at this game as I play it often enough, but I can't support High School Online when the principals aren't expelling anyone. Hopefully other people do the same; unsubscribe and list the reason as, "mistreating people in your game has no repercussions".

Maybe when they have to fire another 20% of their staff, they'll realize they need to actually do something.

Well, yes.

The best scams play on the fact that for a number of people, greed overrides good sense. I'm not sure what CCP can or should do about that.

Yeah. Go out in March Madness, clothesline a driving point-guard, and as his bench clears (heading in your direction) turn to the ref and tell him that. "It's just a game." THEN, find a good dentist to get those new caps. "It's just a game."

I'll tell you who says "It's just a game." Idiots. But, then, if you can figure out how to keep an idiot quiet, let us know. Nobel might even invent a special prize just for you.

*Grabs her nine-mil and heads out for football practice.*

some ppl cant realise that morals are not for situation and dont vanish when theirs a game in the middle. it sux

Yeah. Go out in March Madness, clothesline a driving point-guard, and as his bench clears (heading in your direction) turn to the ref and tell him that. "It's just a game." THEN, find a good dentist to get those new caps. "It's just a game."

I'll tell you who says "It's just a game." Idiots. But, then, if you can figure out how to keep an idiot quiet, let us know. Nobel might even invent a special prize just for you.

*Grabs her nine-mil and heads out for football practice.*

Yeah. Go out in March Madness, clothesline a driving point-guard, and as his bench clears (heading in your direction) turn to the ref and tell him that. "It's just a game." THEN, find a good dentist to get those new caps. "It's just a game."

I'll tell you who says "It's just a game." Idiots. But, then, if you can figure out how to keep an idiot quiet, let us know. Nobel might even invent a special prize just for you.

*Grabs her nine-mil and heads out for football practice.*

Is clotheslining people in basketball within the rules of the game? It's not as far as I know, doing so is not even part of the game, so the "it's just a game" argument is moot.

In Eve however pretty much anything goes, if CCP are fine with it then it's within the rules of the game, and thus part of the game. We can therefore rightfully claim that despite the tears that it's just a game, because we've abided by the rules in effect.

The naivity of the victims his unbelievable for me, however pulling ppl out into to TS and out of EvE got me upset. I even see then fun part in it, but doing that for -hours- and then blaming the victims further at their websides is quite a lot.

So is that still EvE?

In Eve however pretty much anything goes, if CCP are fine with it then it's within the rules of the game, and thus part of the game.

Thats my Point:
In EvE
This is pulled out of EvE and commpletly handled in TS and thats not fine anymore.
TheMittani got kicked for his drunktalk.

This guy humiliations got so far, i would be afraid to get my real name in the open RLif i would be him.
Thats what i mean, the "game" has to stop.

Be evil in eve but leave it there.

into teamspeak and torture those people for 4-5 hours, i think CCP tolerates quite heavy missbehaviour.
The scam is...

...it was only a matter of time before someone got plastered enough to take it a little too far.

How can you be a victim of giving someone else your money?

Could you perhaps explain how you think CCP are to control what goes on in out-of-game tools like Teamspeak.

I hear this quite often when bad behaviour is beeing excused in chats and postings.
Well, yes, thats true, but even the participation in Online Games has repercussions in RL. Yes it IS a game, but real People are sitting on the other side of the monitors playing this game. Being connected to the characters in game.
What am i up to?

EvE is EvE a place where people can scam, gank, grief. Steal your trust and assets and ruin years of (real lifes) work.
You should know that when you play the game.

But:
When i see a certain scammer calling him "the only legit ISK doubler" i see someone who takes people out of eve, forces them into teamspeak and torture those people for 4-5 hours, i think CCP tolerates quite heavy missbehaviour.
The scam is, that you want to double the ISK you are told that you "won a bonus round", but only after you already sent the money. You are told the bonusround is won by beeing the 100thd double job, which is a lie.
legit? does the bio explain the won "bonus round"?
quite absurd that ppl do not realise that they got scammed, when they are told to have "absolute faith" in the scammer.
Absolute faith? in eve?
more absurdity, to continue you have to come into ts, give all assets to trusted ppl in the chat and give your API keys away.
After that, those victims do almost everything "voluntarily" since they have everything given away and rules are made up like the guys like.
New Eden is a harsh world, but this isn't a part of EvE anymore. EvE is abused to torture naive gamers for hours and force them to give up their dignity. The "Game" at that moment happens in RL and EvE is just a Tool for abuse.

Some ppl have such a major social misalignement, that even CCP shouldnt tolerate or overlook.

Thats what i am talking of.
When will it be to far?

Victims of their own greed and naivity.
As i said absurd:
In EvE asking for absolute faith?
What?
Give away *all* my assets and my ingame info on rules that havent been merly specified to have "faith"?
Thats stupid.

However:
If you are violating someones dignity so deeply, you create a lot of out of game hatred.

I am not talking of absolute control, but if cases get known and documented CCP should take a careful look.
But i see, you agree, TS is "out of Game (EvE)"

Thats my Point:
In EvE
This is pulled out of EvE and commpletly handled in TS and thats not fine anymore.
TheMittani got kicked for his drunktalk.

This guy humiliations got so far, i would be afraid to get my real name in the open RLif i would be him.
Thats what i mean, the "game" has to stop.

Be evil in eve but leave it there.

But when the scams get very complex and no longer are about the ISK ... when they involve humiliating the player out of game, or feature out-of-game websites (such as the EVE-Bazaar.com scam), and DEFINITELY when they involve posting RL pictures, that's when I believe CCP needs to step in and shut the behavior down. Large, wide strikes with the ban hammer heartily encouraged.

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The only people violating the contestants dignity in Eroticas games is themselves. Blaming Erotica for their own greed and naivety doesn't alter the fact that they volunteered to take part, and that they only need to disconnect, or say no initially to absolve themselves of being a greedy git.

Jonah, let's be clear - you're one of "those people" we don't come out and name when talking about scammers, trolls, and the like.

Using a person's failing to draw out the humiliation is not an excuse. It's a clear cut example of sadism.

Greed is bad. Stupidity is bad. Sadism is worse.

Malicious intent is where most societies draw the line between "slap on the wrist" and "federal offense".

Welcome to the age of misguided mothering.

Also, post on your main.

Whilst a good point, it doesn't alter the fact that it takes two to tango, and that the person being greedy and stupid is just as much to blame as the person taking advantage of their stupidity and greed.

This is honestly one of the worst analogies I have ever seen.

Essentually you are compairing a physical game with a virtural game... Which there is no comparison.

This is an attempt at social fascism.

You have no business dictating to other people how they should behave.

I have no interest in killing your ships.
The purpose of posting on your main is to show benign and sincere intent, which you do not by shitposting on trash alt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Having an Oppinon is no "fascism" and you have to show me, where i "dictated" something.

I get this more often when somebody doesn't like my arguments and have no real arguments against them.



You tell me this ALT is less sincere and benign then my other ALTS?
From the contents its clearly anything else than a "shitposting".

On the other hand i have seen it more than once, that ppl get harrased in Eve for their opinions. My ALTS are an investmend and have to be protected.


A lot of people in Eve that ask for sincerity, look foward to exploit it.

Agree with OP. CCP should have clear boundaries of what is acceptable and what is not. Though I don't think they should concern themselves with what happens on Teamspeak they should concern themselves if that behavior is then linked back to EvE.

Right now I think EvE's reputation is extremely poor. The general consensus of the non-EvE gaming community is EvE is full of griefers, exploiters and gankers and CCP encourage (Hulkageddon as an example) such behavior.

In terms of legitimacy, CCP's reputation is mud, devs giving out items illicitly to their friends (T20), devs and alliances in game playing together, devs and alliance leaders being friends, devs...

Its a shame because EvE is fundamentally a pretty beautiful game, abeit with lots of bugs and no focus on fixing those, which has been let down by CCP since Oveur left.

Using a person's failing to draw out the humiliation is not an excuse. It's a clear cut example of sadism.

Greed is bad. Stupidity is bad. Sadism is worse.

Malicious intent is where most societies draw the line between "slap on the wrist" and "federal offense".

Everyone has an opinion.

Its when you try to argue your opinion should be enforced over the autonomy of others, that it is fascism.

That is what your posts have been here.

Posting on this trash alt indicates you wish to avoid accountability.
Its convenient to sling crapnlike a monkey at others, when you are disguising yourself, eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

EvE has still enormus Potential, i can see no other MMO like it right now. It has a working Universe, a big Market and is driven by its strong community. EvE is not only a game, its like a social experiment, where CCP is very careful in handling the flow of the events.

In my Oppionion, some stuff should at least be watched.
Did you know that CCP checks chats for suiccide messages?

I'm going to nitpick here, Godwins law refers to a variant of fascism, the variant it refers to was quite racist in outlook and dictated that all but the master race should be either subservient or eliminated. For an Eve comparison think of the Amarr Empire Lore and its attitude towards the Minmatar.

Fascism itself revolves around the state, and the aggrandisement of the state through jingoism, it's also a good deal less racist than it's unmentionable variant. A reasonable Eve comparison would be the Caldari state, simply because corporatism is a form of fascism.

If you're going to bring up Godwins Law and Fascism in the same post, please make sure you know the difference between the abomination Godwins Law refers to and fascism itself.

The remark about her being "facist" was made before she interjected "Godwin's Law". You have to keep the order straight. In the context of the conversation, she was clearly stating that Godwin's law was proven correct, why she linked it.

It's really unfair of you to then flip the context into the opposite direction and state that because she called out some one else's injecting facism as really her own.

I'm going to nitpick here,

If you're going to bring up Godwins Law and Fascism in the same post, please make sure you know the difference between the abomination Godwins Law refers to and fascism itself.

Indeed you are.


Thank you, i am well educated considering German History on one side and fascism on the other. However the intention was to invalidate or at least dimish the value of my expressed oppinon.

Oh and by the way, did you know:
First Article of the German "Grund Gesetz" (constitution)
"Die W++rde des Menschen ist unantastbar"
"Human dignity shall be inviolable"

Having lived in Germany for the best part of my youth, and having held dual German/UK nationality for many years, yes I was aware of that, if you're referring to the Grundgesetz f++r die Bundesrepublik Deutschland I

am also aware that prior to 1949 that document didn't exist.

EvE is as close to the real world as you can get.

Which means it's perfectly acceptable to apply real world morality and ethics to people's choices in game.

If you do bad things in EvE, you're a bad person.

Which means it's perfectly acceptable to apply real world morality and ethics to people's choices in game.

If you do bad things in EvE, you're a bad person.

I'm not sure I understand what you are getting at...

I don't get the recent influx of these topics. EvE is as close to the real world as you can get. People will exploit you, abuse you, steal from you, and kill you, at the drop of the hat. Most don't because they are scared of the consaquences.

The Alliance panel, TM crossed the line, he was beign stupid. He paid for crossing the line. I had zero issues with him when I met him in vegas, I was on his team for EvE online: Corruption. Its not ccp's job to tell you that this isk doubling is a scam. The players should know better. And even if ccp cracked down on this, people would just change what they were doing. But then even would not be the game we love. So if you honestly don't know how to say no, have no idea where the white x is, or dunno how to press alt +f4 then eve is not the game for you. Grow some skin, stop whining, and stop being stupid.

I dunno why people stopped using block and ignore features and whine when they get bullyed anywhere online. Never made since to me. Press red x, right click and block, or go do something else. sheesh

This has been your bitter vet rambling for the day.