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KSUDruid	Posted - 2006.04.28 02:37:00 - [151] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse im sry, dirtnub, but i heard u on ts (when u were d2) and ur sick anti-bob passion isnt healthy. maybe taking a break wouldnt be to bad... ROFL I'm gonna hafta go against my normal rhetoric and spot Woody +10 Cool Points for that burn. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL10) Katana
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.04.28 02:40:00 - [152] Im not going to feed any BoB trolls (cause tbh there are enuff of them). Im just trying to be fair and honest. --------------------------------
Nelson Vandermark	Posted - 2006.04.28 02:43:00 - [153] Originally by: Muffin Menace Originally by: Nelson Vandermark I have been unable to retrieve some mails from the opposing forces database, because the programmer is not supporting a quality product You do realise that all ships are now added to the database and have been since the before the war started. Muffin Menace, Please reread my post and review the action which you took with your reply. -
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.28 03:09:00 - [154] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Baun Originally by: oDDiTy V2 If you knew what sort of industrial backing we have within BoB, you'd realize that that 140 mil "lost profit" per HAC is pennies ;) Besides, we're the best in the game at losing HAC's. You gotta suck real bad to lose more than we do ;) Well if you are really tying up one of each HAC BPO on internal production then the lost profit is considerable. Again the strength of that model is that the corporation is bearing the loss instead of the individual players. So you are somewhat right to claim that relatively speaking the loss of a single HAC is less significant to a BoB player who is given the HAC by his corp then to someone who buys it. But the actual value of the asset lost IS the same in either case. I'm sure we've been through this before, we make so much isk off our other industry that the HACs are there purely for corp, it's not money lost, it's money saved. Its money saved for your members and money lost by your corporations. This isn't an argument about whether having HAC BPOs makes it easier for you to field more HACs (thats obviously true), but rather than the loss of a HAC for you is still comparable to the loss of a HAC by anyone else. It seems that you believe that the loss of profit caused by producing HACs solely for internal use is worth it because it allows your members to use HACs more often. This may be true and you are in a better position to judge that but its important to separate that argument from the argument about whether killing a BoB HAC is comparable to killing a HAC from someone who bought it on the market. The answer is that the value of the asset destroyed is exactly the same and the difference between the two situations is who bears the cost for losing the asset. I hope this was sufficiently boring for everyone. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.28 03:12:00 - [155] Originally by: Raid Edited by: Raid on 28/04/2006 02:27:08 Originally by: Blacklight I'm sure we've been through this before, we make so much isk off our other industry that the HACs are there purely for corp, it's not money lost, it's money saved. Its oportunity cost.. regardless of it you need the money or not its still money thats lost. Thats all he means.. edit: we do the same thing with smaller t2 ships.. we could make tens of billions off them but we sell it at cost to the corp simply becuase its money individual members dont have to spend... uhhh wow I guess I could have said that in many fewer words :P The Enemy's Gate is Down
Wizie	Posted - 2006.04.28 03:15:00 - [156] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Dirtball In delve I fear imp I do not fear bob due to never engaging unless at a gate with 10+ on the other side or with 10+ in local. <- Period Dont listen to all the propaganda from the same peeps that have been whoring the forums for years now no matter what corp they are in. If bob says I dont belong in this thread check you killboard and search for dirtball. If bob was in no danger from imp they would not have war dec'd them. <-Period im sry, dirtnub, but i heard u on ts (when u were d2) and ur sick anti-bob passion isnt healthy. maybe taking a break wouldnt be to bad... Didn't you quit alliance politics? All the blue? All the pos crap? Oh wait.. you are back right where you started.
Faust Revis	Posted - 2006.04.28 03:18:00 - [157] I am sorry to inform all of you, but in accordance with Band of Brothers Propaganda Laws; Imperium is a dead alliance and has not, and does not reside within Aridia. It no longer exists and is of no importance. Reference Id: 60 fvc\|< '/0v\|2 531f 808 This forum whroing/smacking stuff from everybody is worse and more redundant than back when Joshua Calvert patrolled these forums..."shivers"
Shogun Chaos	Posted - 2006.04.28 03:18:00 - [158] If they wardeced us they must hate us... i feel special
Sop0r	Posted - 2006.04.28 03:34:00 - [159] Edited by: Sop0r on 28/04/2006 03:35:19 nice forum war, hf guys ! [edit:faust !!! /hug ;b]
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.04.28 03:43:00 - [160] Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 28/04/2006 03:43:29 Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Dirtball In delve I fear imp I do not fear bob due to never engaging unless at a gate with 10+ on the other side or with 10+ in local. <- Period Dont listen to all the propaganda from the same peeps that have been whoring the forums for years now no matter what corp they are in. If bob says I dont belong in this thread check you killboard and search for dirtball. If bob was in no danger from imp they would not have war dec'd them. <-Period im sry, dirtnub, but i heard u on ts (when u were d2) and ur sick anti-bob passion isnt healthy. maybe taking a break wouldnt be to bad... Didn't you quit alliance politics? All the blue? All the pos crap? Oh wait.. you are back right where you started. i feel sorry for you cause u were never rly up to date and fate --------------------------------

Wizie	Posted - 2006.04.28 04:07:00 - [161] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 28/04/2006 03:43:29 Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Dirtball In delve I fear imp I do not fear bob due to never engaging unless at a gate with 10+ on the other side or with 10+ in local. <- Period Dont listen to all the propaganda from the same peeps that have been whoring the forums for years now no matter what corp they are in. If bob says I dont belong in this thread check you killboard and search for dirtball. If bob was in no danger from imp they would not have war dec'd them. <-Period im sry, dirtnub, but i heard u on ts (when u were d2) and ur sick anti-bob passion isnt healthy. maybe taking a break wouldnt be to bad... Didn't you quit alliance politics? All the blue? All the pos crap? Oh wait.. you are back right where you started. i feel sorry for you cause u were never rly up to date and fate I'm sorry but its hard to keep up with someone who changes so often. From whining about 5 stabbing to fitting stabs on Vagas yourself. Moaning about BOB having naps, while having more blues than BOB by far. Crying about blobs/no fun fights while being the least fun alliance to fight with. Begging BOB for a NAP so you could fight ASCN, then moaning to BOB for napping others to gain an upper hand.
Dirtball	Posted - 2006.04.28 04:50:00 - [162] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse dirtnub Looks like my conscience is gone about shooting old allies.
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.04.28 05:14:00 - [163] Hey! This thread is about us killing VC and IMP, please stay on topic. Start your own post about D2 damn it... :P Fear the Ibis of doom!
Rattman	Posted - 2006.04.28 05:39:00 - [164] Originally by: Baun If the corp could sell HACs you use for 200mil then it is losing the 140mil profit it could have made. The benefit to having the BPO is that you can supply your pilots with alot of HACs without paying market price and the cost of doing so is losing out on the money you could be making if you sold them. The good thing about this though is that the cost of losing the ships falls mostly on the corp instead of the individual players and the corp can more easily cope with not getting the profit from selling the ships than the players can in losing the extra cost they have to pay at market price. I disagree, the value of the hac is situational, if my corp has a HAC bpo and is selling em to members only, ie no selling to general market, the value of that HAC is the cost to make it. If someone not in the corp buys a HAC for triple what it cost a corp to make it, then thats the value to them. You talk about loss in profits, if my corp didn't have to or doesn't sell them to the general market then loss of profits immaterial. By not selling into the market you are resicting the supply of HAC's to unfriendly and there by having an economic effect. Some will be better off, they may have a HAC bpo and be able to sell it to general market for more, the majority will be worse off as they have to pay more for thier HAC's. Many corps are getting to the point where a few billion here or there is of no real signicance. Guessing BOB would be one, by selling to members only, assumption that bob members are taking the majortiy if not all the production of HAC's. They are pushing up the price all over the universe and having a greater overall effect. If BOB started flooding the market with HAC's then they are taking ISK from thier member they probably dont have a real use for. As well as cheapening prices of HAC's to hostiles Thats my 0.02 ISK worth I am not a complete idiot, some parts are missing
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.28 06:01:00 - [165] Edited by: Baun on 28/04/2006 06:03:43 Originally by: Rattman Originally by: Baun If the corp could sell HACs you use for 200mil then it is losing the 140mil profit it could have made. The benefit to having the BPO is that you can supply your pilots with alot of HACs without paying market price and the cost of doing so is losing out on the money you could be making if you sold them. The good thing about this though is that the cost of losing the ships falls mostly on the corp instead of the individual players and the corp can more easily cope with not getting the profit from selling the ships than the players can in losing the extra cost they have to pay at market price. I disagree, the value of the hac is situational, if my corp has a HAC bpo and is selling em to members only, ie no selling to general market, the value of that HAC is the cost to make it. If someone not in the corp buys a HAC for triple what it cost a corp to make it, then thats the value to them. The primary assertion is not really debatable. There is an oppurtunity cost of giving HACs away at cost to corp members. The oppurtunity cost is what you could have made by selling it on the market. The value of the HAC IS the market value because the introduction of an individual HAC into the market doesn't change the price. This idea that the value of a HAC is the same regardless of where the HAC came from is the truth, you can't "disagree" with it. Quote: You talk about loss in profits, if my corp didn't have to or doesn't sell them to the general market then loss of profits immaterial. How is it immaterial? You could have sold the HAC on the market. Simply because you CHOOSE not to does not change the value of the HAC. If I own a piece of land which increases in value over time, even if I am not going to sell the land under any circumstances, the value of the land is still determined by its market price. This can be easily seen in the amount of property tax you have to pay for it. I don't want to draw the analogy out too much because this is such a simple concept. Quote: By not selling into the market you are resicting the supply of HAC's to unfriendly and there by having an economic effect. Some will be better off, they may have a HAC bpo and be able to sell it to general market for more, the majority will be worse off as they have to pay more for thier HAC's. Right well we can speculate on the effect of isolating a HAC BPO from the market. In this case, the HACs are worth a bit less than the market value because if BoB were selling them then there would be increased supply and lower prices. This, however, is a relatively moot point given the relatively inelastic nature of the HAC market. Quote: Many corps are getting to the point where a few billion here or there is of no real signicance. Guessing BOB would be one, by selling to members only, assumption that bob members are taking the majortiy if not all the production of HAC's. They are pushing up the price all over the universe and having a greater overall effect. If BOB started flooding the market with HAC's then they are taking ISK from thier member they probably dont have a real use for. As well as cheapening prices of HAC's to hostiles Its true that isolating the supply from the market increases the market price (to some extent) but this has almost nothing to do with the discussion. Unless BoB were selling a significant proportion of their HACs on the open market, the value of each individual HAC IS the market price. This is to say that considering the market value of a single new HAC added to the market is higher per item then the market value of MANY HACs added to the market. Simply because they decide they don't need the income of many HAC BPOs (income which is significant, however superfluous, for any body in the game, no matter what they claim) does not mean that they are not losing money by not selling. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.04.28 06:06:00 - [166] Edited by: Mochalatte on 28/04/2006 06:11:34 what i love is how bob comes up with rebutles that we own hac bpos so we don't mind losing them.or the we wanted to lerooy so thast why we did it.we lost those two dread on purpose just to get a fight.sadly i watch as others use the same excuses you guys spew.omg we knew it would be a leroy etc.Also to act like you guys don't forum *** or smack people its laughable at best.im sure if someone did the math bob memebers posting would about equal all other posts.so forum * yes.when someone says something of bob like almost in unisson on ts or something they flock to the forums and thread to spam it.to the point you have other bob saying omgyoudontbeleive me?then some other bob repeat the same stuff so it seems crediable.then on the afct of you pvp if its anything like 2 months ago when there is one bob wanting a fight believe there is 20 more in system ss or on the other side of the gate ready to warp in.i would begin to think all these gusy do for kills is traps.though being bob forum smacker and ***s they are juicy targets so people want to take that chance for a lone 1v1 battle to find soon after there are 8 other bob on top of him.so keep on talking your bullstuff its funny to those that know.
Ku'Gras	Posted - 2006.04.28 06:14:00 - [167] You are not our finanical advisors so if you wish to start a debate regarding how a corpration should spend it's revenue go start your own thread about it and don't involve us. go away.
KamiCrazy	Posted - 2006.04.28 06:16:00 - [168] Baun, while I understand the basics of your arguement you have perceived some ideas incorrectly. The market value of a HAC is what the general market will pay for one. This is driven by demand. HAC prices would fall if BoB injected more HACs into the market. You argue that the price of a HAC would not change by introduction of a single HAC. This is true, however BoB is a HAC producer. We do not just make 1 HAC and stop production. Secondly. I know at least that RKK as a corp invests back into pvp production. We are not in the business of making isk. The value lost to us when an enemy destroys a HAC is the value each member personally places on the HAC. Probably around what each member pays for one. You can argue opportunity cost to the corp all you want but the other side of opportunity cost is the competitive edge the corp GAINED from giving our members cheap gear. This far outweighs the opportunity cost to the corp.
Ku'Gras	Posted - 2006.04.28 06:17:00 - [169] Originally by: FGxHalsey Try reading the rest of the replies before you post. If you dont know what you are talking about please dont post, it makes your whole corporation look poorly informed and a little silly. Highly comical _you_ are posting this after what you have posted in this thread.
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.28 06:25:00 - [170] Originally by: KamiCrazy The market value of a HAC is what the general market will pay for one. This is driven by demand. HAC prices would fall if BoB injected more HACs into the market. You argue that the price of a HAC would not change by introduction of a single HAC. This is true, however BoB is a HAC producer. We do not just make 1 HAC and stop production. Yes but the market price factors in the fact that your BPO is not producing for the public. In this sense, the market value of each individual HAC is still the market price. You are correct in asserting that if you switched to producing for the market that you would make less money than I contend you are losing. Of course, in that case, the amount of isk I would claim you are losing when a HAC is destroyed would fall just the same. There is an argument to be had about which amount one should account for in the loss of the HAC then, but there can be no argument that you are losing whatever the theoretical profit margin would be. Quote: Secondly. I know at least that RKK as a corp invests back into pvp production. We are not in the business of making isk. The value lost to us when an enemy destroys a HAC is the value each member personally places on the HAC. No, its whatever the HAC is worth. What you are saying might be emotionally correct, your individual members might not care about losing HACs but their ships still have a value dictated by the market. When they lose the ships they lose the market value (possibly adjusted as per the argument above). Quote: Probably around what each member pays for one. This is what a MEMBER of the corp loses, the corp itself loses the profit it could have made selling the ship when it gives it to the corp member for production cost. As I said, the model you are using is one that could be preferable if you want the corporation to bear the brunt of the loss instead of the individual. It doesn't change what the loss is. Quote: You can argue opportunity cost to the corp all you want but the other side of opportunity cost is the competitive edge the corp GAINED from giving our members cheap gear. Quite. What you are gaining for giving up the profit is that your members have an egde over other people whose corps do not essentially buy them HACs. Quote: This far outweighs the opportunity cost to the corp. Its a zero sum game. The corp pays the price in your case and the individual pays the price when a player loses a HAC he bought from the market. Your leaders must feel its worth it or they wouldn't use this model, but isk wise its a zero sum game. The Enemy's Gate is Down

Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.04.28 06:27:00 - [171] see how baun just pwned bobs excuse for hac losses.Yet bob still try to disagree with solid facts.following 3-4 bob posting right after.they are forum *****s or have a forum ts channel and call out when someone posts something hard to rebute.Baun ecomonics are solidly though out yours are based on ifs and wehaves or wedos.so give it up this whole we lose hacs because we have bpo stuff.no one but you cares what your cost on hacs are.the way you talk about it and defend it would bring someone to believe that it does hurt you as everytime someone mentions it your all over it.in my limited time i know one thing.its easier to lose a battleship in game now than it is a hac.so if you have the bpos and dun care then learn how to fly them correctly.
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.28 06:28:00 - [172] Originally by: Ku'Gras You are not our finanical advisors so if you wish to start a debate regarding how a corpration should spend it's revenue go start your own thread about it and don't involve us. go away. Completely unnecesary (though unsurprising) hostility. I am not telling you what you should be doing, I'm correcting the perception you are trying to project of what you are doing. And I might add that I am argumentative enough to have said this about anyone, allies included. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.28 06:29:00 - [173] Edited by: Baun on 28/04/2006 06:33:42 Originally by: Mochalatte see how baun just pwned bobs excuse for hac losses.Yet bob still try to disagree with solid facts.following 3-4 bob posting right after.they are forum *****s or have a forum ts channel and call out when someone posts something hard to rebute.Baun ecomonics are solidly though out yours are based on ifs and wehaves or wedos.so give it up this whole we lose hacs because we have bpo stuff.no one but you cares what your cost on hacs are.the way you talk about it and defend it would bring someone to believe that it does hurt you as everytime someone mentions it your all over it.in my limited time i know one thing.its easier to lose a battleship in game now than it is a hac.so if you have the bpos and dun care then learn how to fly them correctly. You need to learn how to use the return key. I am not "pwning their excuses". This is not a flame war, we need not insult each other. They are under a mistake impression and I am attempting to show them why its mistaken. They seem to believe the same thing about me (though in this they are wrong). Simply because we don't agree doesn't mean that we are required to insult each other. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Sochin	Posted - 2006.04.28 06:35:00 - [174] Originally by: Mochalatte see how baun just pwned bobs excuse for hac losses.Yet bob still try to disagree with solid facts.following 3-4 bob posting right after.they are forum ****s or have a forum ts channel and call out when someone posts something hard to rebute.Baun ecomonics are solidly though out yours are based on ifs and wehaves or wedos.so give it up this whole we lose hacs because we have bpo stuff.no one but you cares what your cost on hacs are.the way you talk about it and defend it would bring someone to believe that it does hurt you as everytime someone mentions it your all over it.in my limited time i know one thing.its easier to lose a battleship in game now than it is a hac.so if you have the bpos and dun care then learn how to fly them correctly. This is goddamn retarded. Why do we have illiterate moron alts criticizing our internal production policies? all of this talk about "opportunity loss" is ridiculous, and demonstrates how out of touch our enemies are with how BOB functions. Whatever "opportunity loss" we're suffering by keeping HAC production internal and cheap is greatly outweighed by the efficiency and convienance of being able to quickly provide members with new HACs are extremely low prices. We're not out to be big industrialists, we're out to provide for our war machine. Everything goes into that. Since theres a new thread every 2 weeks about how we're now supposedly "unbeatable", we're obviously doing something right. sig file must be less than 24000 bytes. Mail [email protected] for info - Cathath Nemo me impune lacessit*
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.04.28 06:37:00 - [175] Edited by: Boonaki on 28/04/2006 06:38:52 I think the state of the corp or alliance can be measured by their loss mails. If the alliance is losing tech 2 ships with officer mods and tech 2 gear. I think they're doing very well. If a corp or alliance is fielding tech 1 fitted cruisers and frigates with tech 1/named gear, then I would say one of two things. #1 They do not have the funding or logistics to back the war they are involved in. #2 They do have the money but are not dedicated enough to the war effort to put their isk into winning said war. You've all seen the guy with the navy raven in Jita, full officer mods. War time comes around he's in a Caracal. The second is the reason we get so many kills, every single member is willing to risk every ship they have, and use every single last isk they have, that is what we here in BoB call dedication. There are 3 things that in my opinion that win wars. Leadership - Strong leadership is the most important attribute in anything a corp or alliance does. It's also very important that all the members follow that leadership. Dedication - Kind of covered this above. ISK and logistics - Having the funding to bring the war to your enemy and being able to focus that funding into areas that they're required, ship loss, POS setup, POS sieges, fuel, etc. Master those "Principals of War" VC and IMP, you might actually be able to do some damage against us. Fear the Ibis of doom!
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2006.04.28 06:38:00 - [176] eh what a bizzare twist to this thread. anyways, Baun is right, their is an oppurtunity cost associated with losing a hac. The rest of the BoB guys are right as far as stating BoB is not effected overall losing out on said oppurtunity cost. The alts.... as usual they are retarded and latching on to anything they possibly can to villify anything we do. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.28 06:40:00 - [177] Originally by: Sochin Whatever "opportunity loss" we're suffering by keeping HAC production internal and cheap is greatly outweighed by the efficiency and convienance of being able to quickly provide members with new HACs are extremely low prices. We're not out to be big industrialists, we're out to provide for our war machine. Everything goes into that. This needs to be clarified. The argument is NOT about whether your system of producing internally is good or bad. Its just about the contention that losing a HAC is meaningless to you. The system is very good for your combat effectiveness (presuming HACs suppliment this) but even so, the value of the isk loss when someone kills a BoB HAC is the same as when they kill anyone elses' HAC. The only difference is who is taking the loss. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.04.28 06:43:00 - [178] TRUE SOMETIMES MY CAPS LOCK TURNS ON AND ILL BE DAMNED TO FIND IT A SECOND TIME.THE FACT STILL REMAINS YOUR COMING UP WITH GREAT GAME FACTS AND ECONOMICAL FACTS.YET YOU STILL GET 2-4 POSTING RIGHT AFTER YOU ALL TRYING TO ARUGE YOUR UNARGUABLE FACTS.EITHER BY THEIR MADE FACTS COMPARING WHAT THEY COULD OR DO DO.THEN OFC THE SMACKER RIGHT AT THE END TO TOP OFF THE BOB FORUM BRIGADE.SPAM,SPAM,SPAM,SMACK.I CALL IT PWNED BECAUSE THATS WHAT BOB SAY WHEN ONE OF THEM MAKES A GOOD FACT BASED STATEMENT IN RESPONSE TO SOMEONE ELSES STATEMENT.
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.04.28 06:44:00 - [179] Edited by: Mochalatte on 28/04/2006 06:45:35 YOU SEE MY FACTS PLAY OUT?3-4 BOB POSTING IN UNISSON. ROFL.EDIT* BTW PROHPET I THINK IT WAS ONE OF BOB THAT SAID YOU KNOW WHEN A MAN HAS LITTLE TO ADD TO THE ARGUEMENT WHEN HE HAS TO PICK ON PUNCUATION AND SPELLING TO GET HIS POINT ACROSS.
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.28 06:45:00 - [180] Originally by: ProphetGuru anyways, Baun is right, their is an oppurtunity cost associated with losing a hac. The rest of the BoB guys are right as far as stating BoB is not effected overall losing out on said oppurtunity cost. I hate to stretch any good will I seem to have stumbled upon but ...... What do you mean by "is not affected"? The affect is precisely the oppurtunity cost. Its certainly true that this loss is offset to some extent by other factors, but the isk affect (which is what prompted this discussion to begin with) is still the same. Of course, you can argue that since you have x level of wealth that the effect to you is smaller relative to the affect to others, but the absolute #s remain the same. Alright enough rambling. Night. The Enemy's Gate is Down



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