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Wrench Head
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Posted - 2006.04.28 07:48:00 -
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Try this one... 3X Heavies, 2X NOS, 1x 10MN AB, 1X WEB, 3X ECM jammers on your Caracal...
Wait for him to get with 5K of you and then JAM, WEB AND FRY HIS ASSETS
Make sure your on TS while you fight. Nothing like hearing yelling and screaming when he pops.
Fraps it and post for all to enjoy
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Gericault m0id
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Posted - 2006.04.28 09:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/04/2006 21:48:07
No caracal should ever lose to a thorax, even starting at point blank.
The shields you have is simply too much for the thorax to get through before you shred the thing with Fury missiles. If the rax has a plate, its damage is going to be highly gimped.
5x heavy II
2x large shield extender II
Other stuff (jammers, hardeners, warp scrambler, webber)
RCU/PDU/BCS (whatever you need to fit + whatever you want)
If this is the I-Win setup I wonder why more Caracal pilots don't use it. I have yet to lose a Thorax to a Caracal. Haven't done any calculations but with 5 T2 meds and 4 neutron blasters with Void S you can do some serious damage and Caracals tend to run (maybe fitting a WCS gimps their setup?) + never been jammed by a Caracal.
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Hydrian Alante
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Posted - 2006.04.28 09:49:00 -
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If the Thorax comes close, you¦re dead.
If not, the Thorax will warp away.
On both szenarios you lose.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.28 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/04/2006 09:55:07
Originally by: Gericault m0id
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/04/2006 21:48:07
No caracal should ever lose to a thorax, even starting at point blank.
The shields you have is simply too much for the thorax to get through before you shred the thing with Fury missiles. If the rax has a plate, its damage is going to be highly gimped.
5x heavy II
2x large shield extender II
Other stuff (jammers, hardeners, warp scrambler, webber)
RCU/PDU/BCS (whatever you need to fit + whatever you want)
If this is the I-Win setup I wonder why more Caracal pilots don't use it. I have yet to lose a Thorax to a Caracal. Haven't done any calculations but with 5 T2 meds and 4 neutron blasters with Void S you can do some serious damage and Caracals tend to run (maybe fitting a WCS gimps their setup?) + never been jammed by a Caracal.
People do tend to be complete cowards and put WCS on a caracal. It does gimp the setup--two WCS means you can't fit an RCU, which means your tank sucks or your damage sucks. Even one WCS means no damage mod, as you need the last slot for the RCU!
People need to stop fitting WCS on ships worth 5-10 times less than a HAC.
You'd be surprised. Its mainly due to the fact that the bonuses just add up. +25% from kinetic damage bonus, +20% from fury missile damage bonus... and so on. Volley base damage is about 1500 on my Caracal with a T1 damage mod.
Originally by: Hydrian Alante
If the Thorax comes close, you¦re dead.
If not, the Thorax will warp away.
On both szenarios you lose.
If the thorax comes close, the Caracal wins. If it stays far away, its a ***** 
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Waragha
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Posted - 2006.04.28 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
I myself have been somewhat surprised at how well my Caracal has fared against Thoraxes. I would not doubt that there is a setup that can win, but it probably wouldn't be a PvP setup--no scrambler, etc.
There is a viable setup that will take it :) But of course if you get him jammed the whole fight you'd win. Then again he could be packing jammer drones and would get you jammed the whole fight.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.28 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Waragha
Originally by: Dark Shikari
I myself have been somewhat surprised at how well my Caracal has fared against Thoraxes. I would not doubt that there is a setup that can win, but it probably wouldn't be a PvP setup--no scrambler, etc.
There is a viable setup that will take it :) But of course if you get him jammed the whole fight you'd win. Then again he could be packing jammer drones and would get you jammed the whole fight.
I don't use jammers in 1v1s, generally. Its not usually allowed and/or fair.
In combat, I haven't used them much lately either as I don't have enough CPU to fit them 
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Angus McLein
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Posted - 2006.04.28 12:01:00 -
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At the moment I dont plan on using jammers because in the duel were having in a few days will be somple.
Hes got 5x heavy pulse lasers, a webber, 10mn AB, a jammer and some armor plates in lows.
Using the pulses hes going to get jack damage.
his drone skills are T1 so the goes an extra 100dps....
and his tank will be broken by the time he reaches about 10km to me. (were starting at 30km lol...his mistake)
anywaus i tested a few missiles on him (he didnt now i was going to use the test on him later) and figured out which heavy missile did most damage to him so i average about 149-172dmg (for some reason it wont go below or above) so thats about 160x5= 750dmg a volley and in a good volley its 175x5 =875 per volley....
all these factors combines plus my 2 small drones = me winning
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nicmo
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Posted - 2006.04.28 13:49:00 -
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Same for all caldari ships really...you need to be out of webbing / NOSing range or you will always lose against a properly fitted RAX / Rupture / etc.
I'd recommend to setup for 18k range optimal, so fit a 20k scammer to stop em warping, EW, Shield extender and MWD or AB. In a realistic ganking / pvp setup you probably need a sensor booster too.
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fmercury
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Posted - 2006.04.28 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Waragha
Originally by: Dark Shikari
I myself have been somewhat surprised at how well my Caracal has fared against Thoraxes. I would not doubt that there is a setup that can win, but it probably wouldn't be a PvP setup--no scrambler, etc.
There is a viable setup that will take it :)
And I posted it :)
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Angus McLein
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Posted - 2006.04.28 13:58:00 -
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Im going to be at about 20 the whole time i think.
I have a 'yrpbet' (forget what its called) cruiser ab so im going to use that, 2 large T2 extenders and some other junk to finish him.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.28 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/04/2006 13:59:45
Originally by: fmercury
Originally by: Waragha
Originally by: Dark Shikari
I myself have been somewhat surprised at how well my Caracal has fared against Thoraxes. I would not doubt that there is a setup that can win, but it probably wouldn't be a PvP setup--no scrambler, etc.
There is a viable setup that will take it :)
And I posted it :)
I have fought a similar setup. It lost.
In real combat, the ideal numbers don't play out, in my experience.
I highly doubt your 11 seconds to break my shield, as the Deimos I fought took a good 30+ seconds to break my shield, and it was using two damage mods and void, and he had top skills for it. You're not taking into account tracking or resists (or passive recharge) in your numbers.
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Angus McLein
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Posted - 2006.04.28 14:09:00 -
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My tank wasnt broken by a pvp fight against megathron for 20 seconds...(until he started using torps :P ) but i highly doubt thoraxes will be using torps.
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Kye Kenshin
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Posted - 2006.04.28 14:16:00 -
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Somehow it just doesnt seem right that a cruiser can fit a full rack of t2 weapons plus 2 BS sized t2 shield extenders and end up with more shield hp then most tier 2 BS.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.28 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/04/2006 14:18:42
Originally by: Kye Kenshin
Somehow it just doesnt seem right that a cruiser can fit a full rack of t2 weapons plus 2 BS sized t2 shield extenders and end up with more shield hp then most tier 2 BS.
It does seem right... because your low slots are full of fitting mods.
If you assume a disruptor/webber, you only have one midslot free and one lowslot, and thats if you use an RCU2.
That means you can fit a BCS + hardener or power diag + jammer. And thats about it.
You can do exactly the same as I have described on a Moa or any other cruiser. It just means you'll have to gimp your setup with 1 or more RCU2s.
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Cuebick
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Posted - 2006.04.28 14:23:00 -
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Its good to only have one Dark Shikari ingame.. otherwize we would have a lot of trouble with those nasty Caracals! 
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fmercury
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Posted - 2006.04.28 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: fmercury on 28/04/2006 14:40:35
Edited by: fmercury on 28/04/2006 14:36:07
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/04/2006 13:59:45
Originally by: fmercury
Originally by: Waragha
Originally by: Dark Shikari
I myself have been somewhat surprised at how well my Caracal has fared against Thoraxes. I would not doubt that there is a setup that can win, but it probably wouldn't be a PvP setup--no scrambler, etc.
There is a viable setup that will take it :)
And I posted it :)
I have fought a similar setup. It lost.
In real combat, the ideal numbers don't play out, in my experience.
I highly doubt your 11 seconds to break my shield, as the Deimos I fought took a good 30+ seconds to break my shield, and it was using two damage mods and void, and he had top skills for it. You're not taking into account tracking or resists (or passive recharge) in your numbers.
The similar setup probably lost beacuse he didn't have a damage control, or didn't have good skills, or any number of reasons.
also, 11 seconds before resists, 34 seconds after. By the sounds of it, i was right :)
i doubt tracking would be an issue since the thorax could just web you and sit still.
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Angus McLein
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Posted - 2006.04.28 14:41:00 -
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Well then you could jam the rax..too many variables
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