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Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:07:00 - [1] My main concerns compiling this was keeping all current BSes useful as well as not making Tier 3 completely overpowered. Amarr get a Droneship that doesn't abandon the Amarrian Philosophy of War, Minmatar get a better alpha strike ship than the Tempest (although worse DPS) that can also shield tank better, Gallente get a BS sized Celestis, and Caldari get the Railboat that also isnt quite as much of a rock in space as other Caldari BSes. I am as always willing to make tweaks to the numbers provided they won't be unbalancing. Abaddon - Amarr Ship Bonus: 10% Large Energy Cap Need Reduction and 5% increase to Drone Hitpoints, Damage, and Velocity per level Slots: 8/4/8 [6 Turrets/0 Launchers] Powergrid: 22500 MW CPU: 550 tf Hitpoints: H 5500/A 6200/S 5100 Capacitor: 5250 Cargo: 700 m3 Drones: 250 m3 Mass: 112,500,000 kg Max Targeting Range: 69 km (7 Targets) Sensor: 23 RADAR Scan Resolution: 85 mm Sig Radius: 430 m Speed: 105 m/s Hurricane/Tornado - Minmatar Ship Bonus: 5% Projectile Damage per level and 5% Shield Resists per level Slots: 8/6/6 [7 Turrets/3 Launchers] Powergrid: 18500 MW CPU: 650 tf Hitpoints: H 5500/A 5100/S 6000 Capacitor: 4500 Cargo: 650 m3 Drones: 100 m3 Mass: 105,000,000 kg Max Targeting Range: 64 km (7 Targets) Sensor: 20 Ladar Scan Resolution: 90 mm Sig Radius: 360 m Speed: 130 m/s Aegis - Gallente Ship Bonus: 5% Hybrid Damage per level and 5% increased Remote Sensor Dampener Effectiveness and Accuracy Falloff per level Slots: 6/6/6 [5 Turrets/2 Launchers] Powergrid: 10000 MW CPU: 650 tf Hitpoints: H 6200/A 5500/S 5100 Capacitor: 4200 Cargo: 700 m3 Drones: 150 m3 Mass: 107,500,000 kg Max Targeting Range: 74 km (7 Targets) Sensor: 23 Magnetometric Scan Resolution: 85 mm Sig Radius: 440 m Speed: 115 m/s Albatross - Caldari Ship Bonus: 5% Hybrid Damage and 10% Hybrid optimal range per level Slots: 8/6/6 [6 Turrets/4 Launchers] Powergrid: 12500 MW CPU: 800 tf Hitpoints: H 5500/A 5500/S 6200 Capacitor: 4400 Cargo: 680 m3 Drones: 75 m3 Mass: 107,500,000 kg Max Targeting Range: 80 km (7 targets) Sensor: 26 Gravimetric Scan Resolution: 65 mm Sig Radius: 500 m Speed: 125 m/s Sov 2.1 T3 BS
Kurren	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:10:00 - [2] Edited by: Kurren on 27/04/2006 18:13:02 I'm sure you'll get flamed because the Gallente ship only has 6 highslots compared to everybody elses 8... maybe its just me though... The Gallente ship is like a nerfed Dominix while the Amarr ship gets 8 highs, tons more drone space, and damage bonuses for both drones and lasers... NEXT. --- --- --- --- SobaKai.com
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:11:00 - [3] I know, but there isnt really room for a merely better Megathron without killing the Megathron off. Sov 2.1 T3 BS
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:12:00 - [4] im pretty sure this as already been done by the devs. pointless exercise you have to much free time
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:14:00 - [5] hahaha look how much ammar and caldari owerpowered i will be nice Naughty - don't discuss moderation on the forums! - Cathath
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:15:00 - [6] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii im pretty sure this as already been done by the devs. pointless exercise you have to much free time Not much else to do till I go to work. Sov 2.1 T3 BS
Kurren	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Eximius Josari I know, but there isnt really room for a merely better Megathron without killing the Megathron off. I don't think you'll kill the megathron off, but if it happens... it happens. Nobody flies the Tier 1 cruisers anymore... or at least... not until they gave them mining output bonuses... if they even did that. I'm not saying turn the Mega into a mining BS, but maybe keep it to "par" with the Tier 3 while making the Tier 3 shift out the Dominix. You really can't show a "bias" of sorts when it comes to making things better. --- --- --- --- SobaKai.com
Solloeb	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:16:00 - [8] Christ bug off gimped ship worse then the tier 1 bs lol Originally by: Solloeb Right that cake is mine :p Mods first! - Cathath
Kurren	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:17:00 - [9] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii im pretty sure this as already been done by the devs. pointless exercise you have to much free time Dude! Your sig rocks! --- --- --- --- SobaKai.com
Sovy Kurosei	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:20:00 - [10] If the Gallente ship is going to be an EWar battleship then it should either have 7/7/6 or 6/8/6 for slots and maybe 100 or 150 more CPU at least. The Amarr battleship should have 10% increase to drone hitpoints and damage and will probably have eight turret slots judging from the concept art. Caldari battleship is probably going to have 8 turret slots judging from the concept art and instead of four launchers it should have one or two. Minmatar ship is okay I think. If it is ment to shield tank it would help to have the slot layout as 8/7/5 but that is just my two cents. ------------- Rules for ship combat. 1) Bring a ship. 2) Bring all your friends in ships. 3) Bring ammo. Bring the right ammo. Bring lots of it.
Cpt Placeholder	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:22:00 - [11] hmm the gallente one looks like the best to me o.O
lofty29	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:26:00 - [12] The amarr one is out of the question. They will never make a droneship that is a- Not gallente (thatd be like making an amarrian projectile platform, or a gallente missileboat) or b- Has over 6 Highslots and 10k PG. The reasoning behind the second is that, well, imagine 8 Nos's, EW, and a biatching armor tank. --------------------------- Originally by: Oveur I see boobies! \o/
Sovy Kurosei	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:27:00 - [13] Originally by: lofty29 The amarr one is out of the question. They will never make a droneship that is a- Not gallente (thatd be like making an amarrian projectile platform, or a gallente missileboat) or b- Has over 6 Highslots and 10k PG. The reasoning behind the second is that, well, imagine 8 Nos's, EW, and a biatching armor tank. You mean the Arbitrator is of Gallente design!? I better train up Gallente Cruiser II then, double time. ------------- Rules for ship combat. 1) Bring a ship. 2) Bring all your friends in ships. 3) Bring ammo. Bring the right ammo. Bring lots of it.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:28:00 - [14] Post with your main then you have better argumentative credibility. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Sovy Kurosei	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:30:00 - [15] But this is my main Jenny. ------------- Rules for ship combat. 1) Bring a ship. 2) Bring all your friends in ships. 3) Bring ammo. Bring the right ammo. Bring lots of it.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Sovy Kurosei But this is my main Jenny. Talking about the OP... ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Kurren	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Post with your main then you have better argumentative credibility. What constructiveness does that have at all? People can post with whatever they want. If what they say is viable, its viable. He may just be new to the forums. Your picture showed up like that at one time. --- --- --- --- SobaKai.com
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Kurren Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Post with your main then you have better argumentative credibility. What constructiveness does that have at all? People can post with whatever they want. If what they say is viable, its viable. He may just be new to the forums. Your picture showed up like that at one time. Well, I wasnt outspoken when I was new. Even now, I am quite conservative in my comments. Just pointed that most ppl in this forum knowing what most are like, get annoyed with half-baked ideas from somebody quite new... Not being destructive here though and sorry if I had. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:43:00 - [19] These make no sense. First: We already KNOW that the Amarr, Caldari, Minmatar, and possibly Gallente battleships have 8 turret slots. Second: The Caldari battleship will be the slowest, not the second fastest. Within every single class, Caldari ships are the slowest. I do not know of a single exception to this. Third: The Minmatar ship will NOT have a shield resist bonus, that is Caldari. If anything, they might get a shield boost amount or shield boost cap use bonus. However, if the Gallente don't have an armor repair amount or cap use bonus, the Minmatar almost definitely won't have a bonus either. Fourth: Rumor has it that the Caldari battleship will be 8/7/5, not 8/6/6. Fifth: The Caldari one will most likely be named "Roc", and if not, probably something like "Shrike". The chances of "Albatross" are very slim, and it's a terrible name anyway. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sovy Kurosei But this is my main Jenny. Talking about the OP... This is my main. I'm selling Sobeseki Pawi next week. Sov 2.1 T3 BS
DARTHMAUL sith	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:46:00 - [21] i Think you will find the stats for the teir 3 bs have already been decided, i would post them but cant be bothered
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:49:00 - [22] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari These make no sense. I guess that's relative :p Quote: First: We already KNOW that the Amarr, Caldari, Minmatar, and possibly Gallente battleships have 8 turret slots. We KNOW nothing. Quote: Second: The Caldari battleship will be the slowest, not the second fastest. Within every single class, Caldari ships are the slowest. I do not know of a single exception to this. Does it matter? Why do Tier 3 BSes have to be so conforming? Quote: Third: The Minmatar ship will NOT have a shield resist bonus, that is Caldari. If anything, they might get a shield boost amount or shield boost cap use bonus. However, if the Gallente don't have an armor repair amount or cap use bonus, the Minmatar almost definitely won't have a bonus either. It's arguable of course I almost put the boost bonus rather than the resist bonus. Quote: Fourth: Rumor has it that the Caldari battleship will be 8/7/5, not 8/6/6. Rumor also has it that BoB runs CCP. Good thing rumors don't mean too much. Quote: Fifth: The Caldari one will most likely be named "Roc", and if not, probably something like "Shrike". The chances of "Albatross" are very slim, and it's a terrible name anyway. Albatross, assuming you know what it means, is better than those other two. Sov 2.1 T3 BS
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:50:00 - [23] Originally by: DARTHMAUL sith i Think you will find the stats for the teir 3 bs have already been decided, i would post them but cant be bothered Those are placeholders. Much like the Leviathon's stats were long before it was ever a Caldari Titan. Sov 2.1 T3 BS
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.27 18:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Kurren Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Post with your main then you have better argumentative credibility. What constructiveness does that have at all? People can post with whatever they want. If what they say is viable, its viable. He may just be new to the forums. Your picture showed up like that at one time. Well, I wasnt outspoken when I was new. Even now, I am quite conservative in my comments. Just pointed that most ppl in this forum knowing what most are like, get annoyed with half-baked ideas from somebody quite new... Not being destructive here though and sorry if I had. Playing since April 8th 2004, and going strong Sov 2.1 T3 BS
Arkanor	Posted - 2006.04.27 19:06:00 - [25] Edited by: Arkanor on 27/04/2006 19:07:43 Originally by: Kurren Edited by: Kurren on 27/04/2006 18:13:02 I'm sure you'll get flamed because the Gallente ship only has 6 highslots compared to everybody elses 8... maybe its just me though... NEXT. That was my first thought, aside from the fact that the "Aegis" has the worst capacitor in the group, and its weapons require more capacitor than Minmatar to operate effectively. We already have a dedicated droneboat. /me laughs at the proposed powergrid for the "Aegis," thought this was supposed to be better than the others. As I don't play the others I can't comment accurately on those ________________________________________________ Originally by: Kadrush I want a Death Star to mine Veldspar Yes I made the pic before I saw this
Meeko Gloom	Posted - 2006.04.27 19:10:00 - [26] Edited by: Meeko Gloom on 27/04/2006 19:13:05 um the gallente one looks like ****... sry but I a better tank.... also having 2 less slots than everyone esle doesnt work in my book... try 7 6 7 and I might be happy -------------------------- Guns dont Kill People Drones Do
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.27 19:16:00 - [27] Originally by: Arkanor Edited by: Arkanor on 27/04/2006 19:07:43 Originally by: Kurren Edited by: Kurren on 27/04/2006 18:13:02 I'm sure you'll get flamed because the Gallente ship only has 6 highslots compared to everybody elses 8... maybe its just me though... NEXT. That was my first thought, aside from the fact that the "Aegis" has the worst capacitor in the group, and its weapons require more capacitor than Minmatar to operate effectively. We already have a dedicated droneboat. /me laughs at the proposed powergrid for the "Aegis," thought this was supposed to be better than the others. As I don't play the others I can't comment accurately on those I took into account the two existing racial BSes mainly. And the Aegis can fit and support 5 guns far better than the Dominix can fit and support 6. Sov 2.1 T3 BS
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.27 19:17:00 - [28] Originally by: Meeko Gloom Edited by: Meeko Gloom on 27/04/2006 19:13:05 um the gallente one looks like ****... sry but I a better tank.... also having 2 less slots than everyone esle doesnt work in my book... try 7 6 7 and I might be happy Even though you are borderline trolling, that might work. My concern was not making it overpowered by giving it those slots. Sov 2.1 T3 BS
Meeko Gloom	Posted - 2006.04.27 19:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Eximius Josari Originally by: Meeko Gloom Edited by: Meeko Gloom on 27/04/2006 19:13:05 um the gallente one looks like ****... sry but I a better tank.... also having 2 less slots than everyone esle doesnt work in my book... try 7 6 7 and I might be happy Even though you are borderline trolling, that might work. My concern was not making it overpowered by giving it those slots. 7 7 6 would aslo work to keep it more in the celestis school of design but that would upset me. Also we should have at less 15k pg on that thing with 6 guns and 3 missiles.god forbid it is a tier 3 and 10k wont cut it. and 125m3 will most likely be the drone bay not 150m3??... -------------------------- Guns dont Kill People Drones Do
Kurren	Posted - 2006.04.27 19:26:00 - [30] Originally by: Eximius Josari Originally by: Arkanor Edited by: Arkanor on 27/04/2006 19:07:43 Originally by: Kurren Edited by: Kurren on 27/04/2006 18:13:02 I'm sure you'll get flamed because the Gallente ship only has 6 highslots compared to everybody elses 8... maybe its just me though... NEXT. That was my first thought, aside from the fact that the "Aegis" has the worst capacitor in the group, and its weapons require more capacitor than Minmatar to operate effectively. We already have a dedicated droneboat. /me laughs at the proposed powergrid for the "Aegis," thought this was supposed to be better than the others. As I don't play the others I can't comment accurately on those I took into account the two existing racial BSes mainly. And the Aegis can fit and support 5 guns far better than the Dominix can fit and support 6. Yes, but the Domi is a drone ship... with drone bonuses. The Megathron is a gun ship... with gun bonuses. You've nerfed both of them technically, and threw it all into one ship. You make one or the other better... or combine their strengths to make one ship. Maybe an 8 highslot with gun and slight drone bonuses. Maybe not... it's better than 6 guns and no drone bonuses with a gimped drone bay. You've effectively turned it into a large cruiser. May as well give the ship a bonus to medium lasers, it's just as useless. --- --- --- --- SobaKai.com

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