Our way of life, and in order to continue to be Champions Of Freedom and Democracy depend on these types of organizations.

We depend on them amongst many other organizations within the government, not solely. Which is why they were created in the first place. let us not forget the Defeat of Luminaire which spurred the creation of the Black Eagles to create an "Emergency Integrity Commission" which would ensure that the nation's military leadership not only had the aptitude to lead their forces to victory, but that they met the high moral standards of the Gallente Federation while doing so.

Why are we taking a GP story so seriously? O.o

We depend on them amongst many other organizations within the government, not solely. Which is why they were created in the first place. let us not forget the Defeat of Luminaire which spurred the creation of the Black Eagles to create an "Emergency Integrity Commission" which would ensure that the nation's military leadership not only had the aptitude to lead their forces to victory, but that they met the high moral standards of the Gallente Federation while doing so.

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We depend on them amongst many other organizations within the government, not solely. Which is why they were created in the first place. let us not forget the Defeat of Luminaire which spurred the creation of the Black Eagles to create an "Emergency Integrity Commission" which would ensure that the nation's military leadership not only had the aptitude to lead their forces to victory, but that they met the high moral standards of the Gallente Federation while doing so.

High moral standards? You don't have any idea how morbidly hilarious that is.

If you could see some of the reports documenting their actions, your opinion of them would change for the worse. Unfortunately, not only are those reports either classified or declassified but censored to the point of uselessness, they're also from some of the agencies diametrically opposed to the Black Eagles. So that's even less reason for you to believe the validity of them.

What I can do is suggest you watch the news more closely in the coming months. It's only a matter of time, really.

Clearly News stations have no propaganda behind them. That is always FACTUAL information. Ill be sure to tune into the gutter press. I can appreciate your opinion on this matter, however are you relying on the news to get your facts?

The identity of contractors supplying ships, and equipment should remain undisclosed to the public eye due to security reasons, as should budgeting specifics.

I believe you are mistaken on this, yes the organization was created in response to traitors but it was an integrity commission. That is clearly defined in the history books.

There is clear definition to what the organization is and why it was founded.

In fact where you say my description is wrong, was pulled directly from the same source your provided for the ALLEGED defector. Thats selective sourcing. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Black_Eagles

All of the folks listing actions taken by the Black Eagles are completely wasting their time. The fact is, rumors are simply rumors, hearsay is simply hearsay. Those such as Mornay were nothing but unknown individuals interviewed by journalists. Nothing they have said has ever been verified in any way. He told a story, people listened. There's no way of knowing if it was true.

The simple fact of the matter is that intelligence agencies cannot properly function with public oversight and the actions of the Black Eagles, whatever they may or may not be, do not have noticeable detriment on the lives of Federation citizens. Our daily lives continue on as normal with the SDII currently functioning as it is - and if that functioning helps preserve that daily life, it surely could no longer do so if it was open to public scrutiny. Uncomfortable truths and unsettling actions are handled by every government so their average citizen doesn't have to. Freedom is attained through security.

And you have to ask, why would these people start rumors in the first place? They're identities are hidden. Agent Mornay is just a pseudonym and most defectors don't even give a false name. Clearly they are not trying to gain popularity or money from these stories. So the only other reason they would start talking is because their stories might have some merit.

Are you not a little concerned that their power could be abused? How long will it take before being "a threat to the Federation" moves into supporting differing political parties? Saying "seditious" things? Hell it's probably started already. I used to be a staunch supporter of the Black Eagles, but then I started to think about an old and ancient totem.

"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither"

What's the point of defending ourselves from an enemy, if we become our own enemy?

Clearly News stations have no propaganda behind them. That is always FACTUAL information. Ill be sure to tune into the gutter press. I can appreciate your opinion on this matter, however are you relying on the news to get your facts?

Our way of life, and in order to continue to be Champions Of Freedom and Democracy depend on these types of organizations.

The bottom line is unwarranted speculation and fear mongering does no service to anyone.
There is no evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that our intelligence services have subverted freedom, or attempted to do so.
The nature of their activities are on the vanguard of the defense of our Federation.

I never said that they didn't have agendas behind them. I just said watch the news; you'll see enough when the stuff behind the curtains start blowing up, literally and figuratively.

And no, I'm not relying on the news. I spent eight years serving as an intelligence officer and counterintelligence officer for both Ishukone Watch and Caldary Navy before becoming a capsuleer. I know what the Black Eagles are doing not only because I worked on teams working in opposition to the Gallente but I also had the access to files on their histories and the things they've done around the State and the Federation. They're in the Republic and Empire also; every hole in security they find they'll slither into and try to exploit.

They're in the Republic and Empire also; every hole in security they find they'll slither into and try to exploit.

Look at what happened in the State. The Provist were hailed as heroes! By the time the Caldari people realized they were anything but heroes, protestors were being gunned down, political adversaries were vanishing, and the media was completely Provist controlled.

Wether or not there is evidence that it happened is irrelevant. The very notion that it could happen should be enough for concern. The fact that so many people are content with "Nothing to see hear! Move along!" as the official answer to these issues is absolutely horrifying.

Look at what happened in the State. The Provist were hailed as heroes! By the time the Caldari people realized they were anything but heroes, protestors were being gunned down, political adversaries were vanishing, and the media was completely Provist controlled.

"But the Caldari kicked them out eventually! We'll do the same if the Black Eagles get abusive!" You begin typing, thinking you've turned my argument around. No.

The Caldari think differently than us. As long as the beer keeps flowing and the strippers keep dancing, the fickle Gallente people will neither notice nor care.

Did they not teach you how to make an inference on things in school, kid? Or you just practicing while waiting for your cheerleader outfit to arrive?

Again, take the rumors and alleged reports for what you will. Whether you believe it or not. Whether there is a plentitude of evidence or none whatsoever. It doesn't matter.

No organization in the Federation should have the power to do literally whatever they want. Doesn't matter if they are here to save or oppress us.

Yeah, let's just allow these institutions that are already flawed from the point of view of our democracy and legal system's base principles, besides being potentially abusive, continue working until there is some kind of abuse and violation of such principles that's so evident that it can't be denied or covered up, despite circumstantial evidence that such abuses are already occurring, for us to do something about it.

Seems like a good idea.