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Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
108
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:00:00 -
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Like the Stabber before him...
I think the Zealot deserve 25 m3 of drone bay and 25 of bandwith.
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Alundil
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
430
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:51:00 -
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Why must every ship have drones? The zealot is fine without them. Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival |

Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1118
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Posted - 2014.03.18 05:08:00 -
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Alundil wrote:Why must every ship have drones? The zealot is fine without them. except amarr is the DRONE race, we need more drones and missiles, lasers are too hard tor ebalance, people will be happier if we just swap everything into missiles, drones, and neuts. |

Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
326
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Posted - 2014.03.18 05:22:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Alundil wrote:Why must every ship have drones? The zealot is fine without them. except amarr is the DRONE race, we need more drones and missiles, lasers are too hard tor ebalance, people will be happier if we just swap everything into missiles, drones, and neuts. which is ironic because everyone also complains that missiles and drones suck.
Eve players are a finnicky bunch |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
108
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:11:00 -
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As big fleet ship the zealot is ok. but in small gangs, or solo, the lack of drones and the fact it doesn't have hight utility slot give no option to fair escape. So 5 small drones or a high utility would be great.
[Zealot, Pulse X2] Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Adaptive Nano Plating II Damage Control II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Medium Energy Burst Aerator I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
1662 m/s no drones a 45s autonomy without the Medium cap booster.
It is a joke.
[Omen Navy Issue, O-X1233] Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
For comparison... less dps but 1m 24 of autonomy, and 2291 m/s of base speed... |

Gigan Amilupar
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
194
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:19:00 -
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Rowells wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:Alundil wrote:Why must every ship have drones? The zealot is fine without them. except amarr is the DRONE race, we need more drones and missiles, lasers are too hard tor ebalance, people will be happier if we just swap everything into missiles, drones, and neuts. which is ironic because everyone also complains that missiles and drones suck. Eve players are a finnicky bunch
I'm actually annoyed by the fact that the Amarr do so many things. Min do projectiles/missiles, Cal do missiles/hybrids, Gal do drones/hybrids, so it would stand to reason that Amarr should do energy weapons/drones. Instead we have all these missile boats in the mix (and keep in mind this is coming from someone who likes missiles well enough).
Edit: Also, I see no problem with the zealot being better for gangs and the ONI being better for solo. |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1072
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Posted - 2014.03.19 06:21:00 -
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I want to see more ships without drones. You want to fly a ship with drones, then pick one with a drone bay.
If you think the drones on the Omen make it superior to the Zealot, then stop complaining and start paying less for your ships. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |

Catherine Laartii
Knights of Xibalba
108
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Posted - 2014.03.19 07:26:00 -
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I agree with this, as any ninny in a frig with a TD and logpoint can pin one down and there's not a damn thing outside of good fits and fancy flying that can save them.
I was utterly bewildered when they gave the Sacrilege a drone bay over the Zealot, especially considering the Omen's largish drone bay... |

Catherine Laartii
Knights of Xibalba
108
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Posted - 2014.03.19 07:30:00 -
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Gigan Amilupar wrote:Rowells wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:Alundil wrote:Why must every ship have drones? The zealot is fine without them. except amarr is the DRONE race, we need more drones and missiles, lasers are too hard tor ebalance, people will be happier if we just swap everything into missiles, drones, and neuts. which is ironic because everyone also complains that missiles and drones suck. Eve players are a finnicky bunch I'm actually annoyed by the fact that the Amarr do so many things. Min do projectiles/missiles, Cal do missiles/hybrids, Gal do drones/hybrids, so it would stand to reason that Amarr should do energy weapons/drones. Instead we have all these missile boats in the mix (and keep in mind this is coming from someone who likes missiles well enough). Edit: Also, I see no problem with the zealot being better for gangs and the ONI being better for solo.
Amarr are the master race, and have been been spacefaring for 2000 years. Deal with your great, golden racist overlords and you might have the good fortune to be a well-to-do slave for them in the next life.
That being said, ONI swapping range for tracking would be ideal, and having the zealot get a 50/75 m3 drone bay would be perfect. |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1072
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Posted - 2014.03.19 07:36:00 -
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Catherine Laartii wrote:I agree with this, as any ninny in a frig with a TD and logpoint can pin one down and there's not a damn thing outside of good fits and fancy flying that can save them. So a frigate with a good fit shouldn't be able to tackle a cruiser that doeesn't have a good fit? Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
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Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2014.03.19 07:45:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I want to see more ships without drones. You want to fly a ship with drones, then pick one with a drone bay.
If you think the drones on the Omen make it superior to the Zealot, then stop complaining and start paying less for your ships.
Laser ships are so dependant of their capacitor that there is no way to fly them witout a Capacitor Booster. Without drones they cannot do DPS when they are out of capacitor. Minmatars do not have this problem. They although all have drones. ECM drones may be the only way to save your ship against a lone Assault Fregate.
It is a matter of balance between races and class ships...
Cruisers Battlecruisers have drones. It is for them a question of survability against smaller ships. Even with them a good fregate player can take on a Cruiser or even a Batlecruiser in certain circumstances... So let the Heavy Assault cruisers have the same chances.
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Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2014.03.19 07:52:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Catherine Laartii wrote:I agree with this, as any ninny in a frig with a TD and logpoint can pin one down and there's not a damn thing outside of good fits and fancy flying that can save them. So a frigate with a good fit shouldn't be able to tackle a cruiser that doeesn't have a good fit?
In fact almost all fregates can tackle a Zealot. It is not really matter of good fit. No Medium laser can track a frig orbiting it. As it doesn't have High utility, only 3 medium slots, and no drone it just cannot take distance to shoot. |

Luwc
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
75
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Posted - 2014.03.19 08:10:00 -
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sorry fellow goon friend.
but **** drones...
The zealot is fine.
You just dont know how to use it. |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2014.03.19 08:35:00 -
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Luwc wrote:sorry fellow goon friend.
but **** drones...
The zealot is fine.
You just dont know how to use it.
So fine that we don't see any zealot on the fields ;-)
Of course, in armor fleet with an AB and a lot of Logies, this ship is not so bad...
[Zealot, Pulse X3] 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Adaptive Nano Plating II or (Overdrive Injector to up the speed to 1502 m/s) Damage Control II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II
10MN Microwarpdrive II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II (or Tracking Computer II in fleet)
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
This one could be cool if its speed was not 1335 m/s and an align time of 10.6s
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2940
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Posted - 2014.03.19 09:06:00 -
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Zealot doesn't need a cap booster. Oh god. |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2014.03.19 09:51:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Zealot doesn't need a cap booster.
If you fly it in AB fleet, that is true.
But in other cases, like almost all laser ships, a cap booster is needed.
If you have an armor repairer, a MWD, and Lasers, i don't see another choice than having a cap booster. |

Abyss Azizora
Ominous Holding
83
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Posted - 2014.03.19 09:52:00 -
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Well hell has finally frozen over, because... I agree with the goon on this one. It does need at least a 25m3 dronebay. |

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2940
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Posted - 2014.03.19 10:40:00 -
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Cardano Firesnake wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Zealot doesn't need a cap booster. If you fly it in AB fleet, that is true. But in other cases, like almost all laser ships, a cap booster is needed. If you have an armor repairer, a MWD, and Lasers, i don't see another choice than having a cap booster.
Yeah, but local rep fits don't suit the hull. If it doesn't work, why force it? The way I see it, the Zealot is a small gang / fleet boat and should be brick tanked with logi support (if you think you'll need it). You only need a cap booster if you're using local reps. MWD doesn't need a cap booster unless you're perma-running it, but why would you? Oh god. |

Luwc
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
76
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Posted - 2014.03.19 11:46:00 -
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Cardano Firesnake wrote:Luwc wrote:sorry fellow goon friend.
but **** drones...
The zealot is fine.
You just dont know how to use it. So fine that we don't see any zealot on the fields ;-) Of course, in armor fleet with an AB and a lot of Logies, this ship is not so bad... [Zealot, Pulse X3] 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Adaptive Nano Plating II or (Overdrive Injector to up the speed to 1502 m/s) Damage Control II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 10MN Microwarpdrive II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II (or Tracking Computer II in fleet) Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I This one could be cool if its speed was not 1335 m/s and an align time of 10.6s
Even shield zealots as anti frig support.
Armor Hacs
Sniper Hacs
you cant expect a ship to fit in every role...
Thats like bitching at my sacrilege for not beeing able to handle shield fleets.
The zealot has its niche. like every other ship.
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Vesan Terakol
Sad Face Enterprises
52
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Posted - 2014.03.19 12:39:00 -
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I want to comment on a point made above about a ship being not equally fit for solo and fleet ops. Well, maybe some sips are designed to work better in groups, not every hull should be good for all jobs, especially t2 hulls, that are supposed to be specialized. You might notice, that most t2 lack utility high slots - that being just one example. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4259327 - more suff in the Zero.Zero collection |
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Spr09
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2014.03.19 12:47:00 -
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I'm not seeing any reason to give it a drone bay. It does it's job perfectly if put into the right pilot's hands, no reason to give it a useless drone bay without any bonuses. Especially since the zealot is a sniper fit ship in fleets, having either 1 sentry out won't do much, or having 5 small drones out won't get there in time once you alpha everything. |

Meandering Milieu
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
17
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Posted - 2014.03.19 12:50:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Alundil wrote:Why must every ship have drones? The zealot is fine without them. except amarr is the DRONE race, we need more drones and missiles, lasers are too hard tor ebalance, people will be happier if we just swap everything into missiles, drones, and neuts.
Um wat...?
Gal is first drone race, best drone race. Master Drone Race Gallente reporting in. Pooper pained amarrian scrubs need to l2lazorz and stop stealing glorious freedom loving diverse egalitarian gallente drone technology.
Ok, sarcasm and jokes aside, why does every ship need a drone bay/bandwidth? There are plenty of ships without drone bays or with limited drone function. Seems like a balancing point and intentional. |

Alundil
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
433
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:33:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Alundil wrote:Why must every ship have drones? The zealot is fine without them. except amarr is the DRONE race, we need more drones and missiles, lasers are too hard tor ebalance, people will be happier if we just swap everything into missiles, drones, and neuts. Nope - my Gallentean fellows are the drone users. Hell until the blaster rework that was all we had to lay claim to. But having flown in many a Zealot fleet, they don't need drones. It's not the role that they were intended to fill.
And as for others mentioning cap issues, yes. It can happen, and I don't intend for this to sound rude but, learn to manage cap better. This ship isn't meant to perma mwd while you place a weight on the F1 butan and approach the anchor. vOv Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1074
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Posted - 2014.03.19 14:47:00 -
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Cardano Firesnake wrote:Laser ships are so dependant of their capacitor that there is no way to fly them witout a Capacitor Booster. I didn't know! And to think I've been flying Amarr laser ships for years now, blissfully unaware that in not having a capacitor booster I was doing something wrong!
Cardano Firesnake wrote:If you have an armor repairer, a MWD, and Lasers, i don't see another choice than having a cap booster. I made a Cyclone work with MWD and XL shield booster and without a cap booster, and that drained a lot more capacitor than your armor rep fit. Capacitor boosters are one of several ways to boost capacitor output.
Cardano Firesnake wrote:In fact almost all fregates can tackle a Zealot. It is not really matter of good fit. No Medium laser can track a frig orbiting it. As it doesn't have High utility, only 3 medium slots, and no drone it just cannot take distance to shoot. Yeah but a Zealot can tank any frigate, even a Gold Magnate. Also, I'd take the cap booster off and fit a web instead. Bam! Frigate dead, if it gets close enough to shoot. Unless it's a Merlin, but a Zealot could probably chase one of those down.
I just don't see the problem with a cruiser that cannot r+ápe frigates. I think the problem is more that most cruisers CAN r+ápe virtually every frigate they come across. It's not fair for frigates. But ultimately you just shouldn't be flying a Zealot alone in dangerous space. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2014.03.20 06:44:00 -
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Vesan Terakol wrote:I want to comment on a point made above about a ship being not equally fit for solo and fleet ops. Well, maybe some sips are designed to work better in groups, not every hull should be good for all jobs, especially t2 hulls, that are supposed to be specialized. You might notice, that most t2 lack utility high slots - that being just one example.
Yes but all other HAC have drones though except the Eagle... These ships are the less specialized T2 ships.
Perharps CCP should remove all the drones on these ships and really focus them on one specialized weapon system... But it is probably too late for that now and the Ishtar would be a big problem... |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1080
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Posted - 2014.03.20 07:14:00 -
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Cardano Firesnake wrote:But it is probably too late for that now and the Ishtar would be a big problem... It's not too late. HACs haven't been hit with the tiericide stick yet.
I say remove drone bays on all assault and heavy assault ships other than the drone ones, with the exception of the Deimos which gets a small drone bay because it's Gallente.
The assault ships should all have 4.5 weapon slots (4 bonused weapons and one utility high with alternate hardpoint available), and heavy assault should have 5.5 weapon slots. Or maybe 5 and 6 isn't too much. I haven't done the math on em but I''m thinking they should have more total weapon space than comparable tech 1 ships but lacking the drone bay to make up for it. Probably also good if they have no auxiliary weapons. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2948
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Posted - 2014.03.20 07:22:00 -
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HACs have been rebalanced already. Oh god. |

Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
292
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Posted - 2014.03.20 07:54:00 -
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Alundil wrote:Why must every ship have drones? The zealot is fine without them.
This!
Sure Amarr and Gallente are the "Drone Race" but why do have so many Caldari and Minmatar ships so many drones?
I think we should consider if some ships especialy Cruiser should only be able to use 3 drones at once, at the Moment all ships are like no drones or 5 small drones.
I really like my 3 salvager drones on my Maller btw. sure 5 would be cool but its a nice example how many drones we really need anyway. |

Spugg Galdon
APOCALYPSE LEGION The Obsidian Front
393
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Posted - 2014.03.20 08:34:00 -
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Zealot is already VERY good.
It's intended role is fleet work. Either small gang or large fleets. In this role it is obscene. Huge tank. Excellent projection and good damage.
If you're looking for a good solo HAC (specifically active armour) I would suggest trying the Deimos. That thing is friggin' amazing in that role. |

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1172
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Posted - 2014.03.20 08:53:00 -
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Rowells wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:Alundil wrote:Why must every ship have drones? The zealot is fine without them. except amarr is the DRONE race, we need more drones and missiles, lasers are too hard tor ebalance, people will be happier if we just swap everything into missiles, drones, and neuts. which is ironic because everyone also complains that missiles and drones suck. Eve players are a finnicky bunch
The suckiest of them all are lasers though... Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
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Reppyk
The Black Shell
549
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Posted - 2014.03.27 19:50:00 -
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Cardano Firesnake wrote:Like the Stabber before him...
I think the Zealot deserve 25 m3 of drone bay and 25 of bandwith.
Buy a nomen. Stop being bad. Thanks. I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. -áI AM A LOWSEC GANKER, HIGHSEC SCUM, NULLSEC BASTARD, WORMHOLE INVADER. Welcome to, welcome to, welcome to my scramble. GÖÑ |

Sintiar Loffwagea
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:03:00 -
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i didn't try to say about Zealot but in my opinion . Amarr is Laser/Drone and live far than other race. and Many of Amarrian lack of drone bay and bandwidth (it's even less than Mimmi) . and Minmi have many type of ammunition that can change game in pvp if they know what resist enemy lack , and look at Amarrian and Gallette both two have stick on 2 damage type . and both use capacitor . and so Mimmi is the race that lack technology but it's have Drone capacity that Amarrian. |
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