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Pew Terror
Green Associates
TITANS.
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Posted - 2014.03.21 18:34:00 -
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If you found a cheaper shop, buy from the cheaper shop.
It's not like your account only works with "UK PLEX".
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Usagi Toshiro
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.21 19:06:00 -
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In the US each state sets its own Sales tax, usually between 6% and 9% for most commercial items. (Many states also have an income tax.) Some states, such as New Hampsire and Montana, do not have sales tax. In those states what you see advertised you pay at the counter. (NH gets you on property taxes though, wicked high rents/mortgages.)
I don't think the prices need a review but an added layer of transparancy explaining any applied tax would help to clear this up.
o7
Trolls are like stray cats.
If you feed them they multiply.
Please do not -áfeed the trolls. |
Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.21 19:13:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:It was definitely a culture shock for me when I visited the US, and found out that the prices on the shelves wasn't the price you get charged because you add tax after (disclaimer - this was Miami, no idea if that's the same rules everywhere). How do you guys live like that? I'm good at maths, but it seemed really wierd to have to do sums in your head to figure out what you actually are going to be paying.
I actually prefer it this way; it serves as a constant reminder of how much of our money the government takes. This is something more people should conisder every time they step into a voting booth.
Believe me, the US government would be drastically different today if instead of having our income tax directly deducted from our paychecks, everyone had to write out a check for the full amount each year. A lot of people don't care enough about politics to get involved, but as soon as you point out how much of their money is really going to the government, they start to care real quick!
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.03.21 19:20:00 -
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Hoshi Sorano wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:It was definitely a culture shock for me when I visited the US, and found out that the prices on the shelves wasn't the price you get charged because you add tax after (disclaimer - this was Miami, no idea if that's the same rules everywhere). How do you guys live like that? I'm good at maths, but it seemed really wierd to have to do sums in your head to figure out what you actually are going to be paying. I actually prefer it this way; it serves as a constant reminder of how much of our money the government takes. This is something more people should conisder every time they step into a voting booth. Believe me, the US government would be drastically different today if instead of having our income tax directly deducted from our paychecks, everyone had to write out a check for the full amount each year. A lot of people don't care enough about politics to get involved, but as soon as you point out how much of their money is really going to the government, they start to care real quick! /off-topic soapbox
And everybody would default at year end because keeping money is too hard for some people. Tax right on the paycheck is a sure way to make people able to pay their taxes.
On topic : Go ***** at Amazon as they are the ones setting the prices like that, not CCP. |
Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.03.21 19:32:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:It's because the US dollar is worth three small rocks or a pair of smelly socks lately.
Let me introduce you to something called a "Peso"... |
Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.21 19:37:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Hoshi Sorano wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:It was definitely a culture shock for me when I visited the US, and found out that the prices on the shelves wasn't the price you get charged because you add tax after (disclaimer - this was Miami, no idea if that's the same rules everywhere). How do you guys live like that? I'm good at maths, but it seemed really wierd to have to do sums in your head to figure out what you actually are going to be paying. I actually prefer it this way; it serves as a constant reminder of how much of our money the government takes. This is something more people should conisder every time they step into a voting booth. Believe me, the US government would be drastically different today if instead of having our income tax directly deducted from our paychecks, everyone had to write out a check for the full amount each year. A lot of people don't care enough about politics to get involved, but as soon as you point out how much of their money is really going to the government, they start to care real quick! /off-topic soapbox And everybody would default at year end because keeping money is too hard for some people. Tax right on the paycheck is a sure way to make people able to pay their taxes.
Oh, I won't disagree wtih that, and that's one major reason why it won't change. I'm just saying that if more people were aware of what they were really paying, it would make a difference in the way they involved themselves in their government. I just know too many people who only pay attention to the couple hundred dollars they have to shell out at tax time, or who get excited about a refund (which is money that belonged to them the whole time, but which the government had use of for a year interest-free).
And now I'm really veering off topic, and straight into the ditch.... sorry for the detour, I hope you fastened your seatbelts!
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1016
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Posted - 2014.03.21 20:04:00 -
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Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:It's because the US dollar is worth three small rocks or a pair of smelly socks lately. Let me introduce you to something called a "Peso"...
Just introduce your friend to mine "Iranian Rial". |
Real Serious PVPer
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.21 20:18:00 -
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Prob due to the weekend roam I have planned in EU TZ this Friday and Saturday. Happens a lot to be honest.
Once word gets out I'm on a roam then plex spikes.
-áSerious about being serious- Putting the "P "into PVP one fight at a time.
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Koun
Atomic Astrometrics Inc.
0
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Posted - 2014.03.21 21:11:00 -
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The people who say this is only because of VAT should do the math, would mean you pay almost 50% VAT and it's nowhere near that high anywhere in the EU. Really don't see how that's supposed to explain anything? |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
487
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Posted - 2014.03.21 21:14:00 -
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ZippyDoDo wrote:Currently on amazon from CCP...
US customers only - 6 x PLEX - $104 = -ú62
UK customers - 6 x PLEX = -ú90
For those bad at math that's a difference of -ú28
This needs reviewing.
If only there was some way to buy stuff from Amazon while pretending to live in the US, thus being able to play in Dollars...
Oh **** did I say that out loud? 
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Rhiannon Marius
Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited
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Posted - 2014.03.21 22:29:00 -
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Koun wrote:The people who say this is only because of VAT should do the math, would mean you pay almost 50% VAT and it's nowhere near that high anywhere in the EU. Really don't see how that's supposed to explain anything?
Amazon may also be passing on other expenses to customers. Things in Europe tend to be more expensive then in the US so Amazon may have higher operating costs in the EU. Griping to CCP is silly anyway as Amazon is a third party retailer and after they buy the PLEX from CCP it's up to Amazon how much they charge, so complain about Amazon prices too Amazon. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
557
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Posted - 2014.03.21 22:32:00 -
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ZippyDoDo wrote:Currently on amazon from CCP...
US customers only - 6 x PLEX - $104 = -ú62
UK customers - 6 x PLEX = -ú90
For those bad at math that's a difference of -ú28
This needs reviewing.
Not sure where CCP keeps its bank accounts. What's the price when you convert dollars or pounds into Icelandic krona? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20178
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Posted - 2014.03.21 22:44:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Not sure where CCP keeps its bank accounts. Not on Amazon, that's for sureGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Hells Merc
mUfFiN fAcToRy
The Marmite Collective
21
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Posted - 2014.03.22 04:44:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:
Amazon set their own PLEX prices, not us. We have no control over them.
With regards to the difference in price, Chribba is correct.
In the EU, both Amazon and CCP have to display prices inclusive of VAT, however when we sell in the US, we do not have to display sales taxes that may apply on a State or Federal level., and taxes vary drastically from State to State.
What is this "vat" ? sales tax?
Oregon not born and bred but living here and liking it exponentially more when people whine
about such things. |
Rhiannon Marius
Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited
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Posted - 2014.03.22 04:49:00 -
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Hells Merc wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:
Amazon set their own PLEX prices, not us. We have no control over them.
With regards to the difference in price, Chribba is correct.
In the EU, both Amazon and CCP have to display prices inclusive of VAT, however when we sell in the US, we do not have to display sales taxes that may apply on a State or Federal level., and taxes vary drastically from State to State.
What is this "vat" ? sales tax? Oregon not born and bred but living here and liking it exponentially more when people whine about such things.
Value added tax. Kinda works like sales tax. |
Thead Enco
Killing is Business
Get Off My Lawn
108
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Posted - 2014.03.22 04:57:00 -
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ZippyDoDo wrote:Currently on amazon from CCP...
US customers only - 6 x PLEX - $104 = -ú62
UK customers - 6 x PLEX = -ú90
For those bad at math that's a difference of -ú28
This needs reviewing.
"Murica!"
-á"A Lannister always pays his debts."
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Emiko P'eng
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Posted - 2014.03.22 15:35:00 -
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Othran wrote:Unfortunately the VAT excuse is bollox as Amazon UK do not pay VAT in the UK on digital purchases. They pay VAT in Luxembourg. Nor in fact do CCP pay VAT in the UK if you purchase PLEX directly from them. Nor do they pay VAT on monthly subs in the UK. Anyone want to try some more nonsense excuses for UK peeps being ripped off? Do try to make more of an effort though, the "tax" excuse has been done to death dozens of times  From the EU Customs & Taxation site
"Importation of goods
Electronically supplied services, provided by suppliers established in a third country to non-taxable persons (B2C) established in the EU, must be taxed at the place where the customer resides or has a permanent address [Article 58 of the VAT Directive]
Example 44: If a private person residing in Sweden makes use of a Japanese on-line library, Swedish VAT will have to be paid on the amount the Japanese company charges.]"
So they might be registered in Luxenbourg but if they deliver your 'Electronic supplied Services" or PLEX to you in the UK then UK 20% VAT is what they have to charge!! |
Jason Station
A Better Corp Name
5
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Posted - 2014.03.22 16:44:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:It was definitely a culture shock for me when I visited the US, and found out that the prices on the shelves wasn't the price you get charged because you add tax after (disclaimer - this was Miami, no idea if that's the same rules everywhere). How do you guys live like that? I'm good at maths, but it seemed really wierd to have to do sums in your head to figure out what you actually are going to be paying.
Sales taxes are just a plain mess. The state you are in will have a sales tax, but individual cities or even areas within cities can have additional sales taxes (downtown Minneapolis for example). In addition different items have additional (or no) taxes. Alcohol has additional taxes, but clothes are generally not taxed for example. If I recall Arizona had an addition tax for car rentals and such to pay for a stadium when I was there last. In places along state borders people will often commute to the lower taxed state, but that will not work for buying a car as it is taxed to the home state. One thing they are still working on is trying to tax internet sales, but that is still being fought over.
TLDR: Basically you are screwed and live with it.
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Serene Repose
Saanen Freight Service
1141
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Posted - 2014.03.22 16:57:00 -
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Uh. What's a -ú?
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20186
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Posted - 2014.03.22 17:31:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Uh. What's a -ú?
The symbol derives from a capital "L", representing libra, the basic unit of weight in the Roman Empire, which in turn is derived from the Latin name of the same spelling for scales or a balance. The pound became an English unit of weight and was so named because it originally had the value of one tower pound (~350 grams) of fine (pure) silver. The same origins give us the livre, lire, lbs, and all kinds of GÇ£poundsGÇ¥.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2014.03.22 18:27:00 -
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ZippyDoDo wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Crap. Stumbled onto the Amazon.com forums again.
I really need to watch where I click. Valid issue which if has been posted before, obviously has not been addressed.
No one forces you to live in Vat-land, or forces you to shop at Amazon for that matter.....Do they?
CCP: "We know what's best for the game, so you can't have any options....." |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks
Executive Outcomes
1059
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Posted - 2014.03.24 00:32:00 -
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Chribba wrote:In EU they need to add VAT so that's why.
/c
Even when the UK's VAT rate was 20% if all the US prices are non-inclusive of sales tax etc and it is -ú62 then the VAT inclusive price would have been -ú12.40 giving you a total price of -ú74.40 which is still below -ú90.
It's like when the eve subscription gave me the choice of paying $10 a month or Gé¼10 a month. I complained to a GM at the time when they gave me my "welcome to EVE" chat, they gave me some reason for not being able to accept payments in -ú but I can't remember what it was.
I'm sure if I asked Amazon and they actually responded they would tell me the price reflects what CCP charges them plus the "going market prices" or some rubbish, and CCP will say Amazon sets the prices so it's nothing to do with them (which doesn't answer the question because they could sell them to Amazon US for -ú60 and sell them to Amazon UK for -ú80 and Amazon would still "set the price").
Unless CCP tells us exactly how much they sell PLEX to Amazon US and UK for (which they won't, and why should they?) I'm just going to assume it's just another instance of companies selling things cheaper in the states than here. Maybe CCP is to blame in this specific instance, maybe it's Amazon, regardless though it happens all the time so I font know why the OP isn't used to it.
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy
Caldari State
164
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Posted - 2014.03.24 02:36:00 -
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Purchasing all digital products through a US proxy using a virtual credit card registered to a US address so I don't get bummed by companies that can't ******* count = winning. imho. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith
Against ALL Anomalies
227
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Posted - 2014.03.24 02:43:00 -
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The United Kingdom and the rest of the country of Europe being a colony of the United States, they have to pay a tariff to their liege nation,USA.
They'd try to rebel, but we know everything about them.
They try to pretend that they're offended, but they're relieved their big brother is here to look out for them.
Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2927
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Posted - 2014.03.24 04:58:00 -
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Closed for a quick clean.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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