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Amerame	Posted - 2006.06.27 01:00:00 - [181] Originally by: dnfgnfgnfgn So on the one hand, I say 'congrats' for being interesting. On the other hand, however, 'stop pretending', there is only one reason you're still in the North. We perfectly know where we stand, and we knew from the start that we could not compete with D2 in PoS warfare. We do not pretend to be better than D2 by being able to live in Venal, we have not even at any point try to "claim" Venal. Yet we though that this game would be boring if your only opportunity to get in 0.0 when you form a new alliance was to pledge loyalty to BoB / D2 / LV&Co / ASCN. It would be unfortunate if you HAD to, but as you mentionned CCP provided us with a game mechanism that allow to practice 0.0 day to day life and alliance warfare without fearing to be completely wiped out in 2 days by one of the largest alliance. TCF wish to remain policaly independant and free. If we are to discuss with other alliances it will be on equal footing or nothing. Now you might argue that the reward in conquerable 0.0 are too low compared to NPC 0.0 and I would certainly agree with that, but drasticaly changing the sovereignty system in NPC 0.0 would simply make it if not impossible, at least much harder for any new alliance to start operating in 0.0. How many leading corporation in Eve started by operating in NPC regions ? Maybe you had no other choice at that time, but still, that's the proper way to learn how to operate in 0.0.
Amerame	Posted - 2006.06.27 01:05:00 - [182] Oh, and by the way if we are besieged by D2 it's precisely because we started to seriously threaten their allies in Venal with our fleets and that we started to attack PoS with capital ships. It looks like it's fine with D2 as long as we stay in the south of Venal but they probably seriously doubt the capabilities of the alliances they put in charge of the surrounding regions to deal with our fleets by themselves.
Jancen Sykes	Posted - 2006.06.27 01:34:00 - [183] Originally by: Amerame Originally by: dnfgnfgnfgn So on the one hand, I say 'congrats' for being interesting. On the other hand, however, 'stop pretending', there is only one reason you're still in the North. We perfectly know where we stand, and we knew from the start that we could not compete with D2 in PoS warfare. We do not pretend to be better than D2 by being able to live in Venal, we have not even at any point try to "claim" Venal. Yet we though that this game would be boring if your only opportunity to get in 0.0 when you form a new alliance was to pledge loyalty to BoB / D2 / LV&Co / ASCN. It would be unfortunate if you HAD to, but as you mentionned CCP provided us with a game mechanism that allow to practice 0.0 day to day life and alliance warfare without fearing to be completely wiped out in 2 days by one of the largest alliance. TCF wish to remain policaly independant and free. If we are to discuss with other alliances it will be on equal footing or nothing. Now you might argue that the reward in conquerable 0.0 are too low compared to NPC 0.0 and I would certainly agree with that, but drasticaly changing the sovereignty system in NPC 0.0 would simply make it if not impossible, at least much harder for any new alliance to start operating in 0.0. How many leading corporation in Eve started by operating in NPC regions ? Maybe you had no other choice at that time, but still, that's the proper way to learn how to operate in 0.0. nice post full agree
Kendar	Posted - 2006.06.27 06:42:00 - [184] Linkage ^^
Fred0	Posted - 2006.06.27 08:49:00 - [185] Edited by: Fred0 on 27/06/2006 08:50:19 Originally by: Amerame Oh, and by the way if we are besieged by D2 it's precisely because we started to seriously threaten their allies in Venal with our fleets and that we started to attack PoS with capital ships. Do you honestly believe that yourself? It was not oh they are threatening us. It was more oooh they have capital ships not in docking range now maybe they will fight. Unfortunately they are now all within docking range again and nothing is at stake.
Gozmoth	Posted - 2006.06.27 09:42:00 - [186] Originally by: Fred0 Do you honestly believe that yourself? It was not oh they are threatening us. It was more oooh they have capital ships not in docking range now maybe they will fight. Unfortunately they are now all within docking range again and nothing is at stake. I sincerely think that nobody believes anymore the tcf-doesnt-fight-and-hides-in-station story anymore. Sorry.
Exus	Posted - 2006.06.27 09:59:00 - [187] Originally by: Gozmoth I sincerely think that nobody believes anymore the tcf-doesnt-fight-and-hides-in-station story anymore. Sorry. ok now prove something, you have the number and the pvp experience. why moving all your stuff from the south if its only to live again in NPC stations... just want to discover some new areas ? btw, with kali, there will be new regions, maybe you could have a place here. but in Venal, I dont think so, there is enough people. so, please, go away, camping stations is boring for both sides. work on your standings or feel the boredom... zzz i have some paint II in my cargo if you want to have something to do while docked, i have green, blue and yellow color, feel free to eve mail me ! Im selling also some PlasmaScreen II for watching the world cup. cheap !
Geralt Rivia	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:28:00 - [188] Originally by: Gozmoth Originally by: Fred0 Do you honestly believe that yourself? It was not oh they are threatening us. It was more oooh they have capital ships not in docking range now maybe they will fight. Unfortunately they are now all within docking range again and nothing is at stake. I sincerely think that nobody believes anymore the tcf-doesnt-fight-and-hides-in-station story anymore. Sorry. yah sure, i believe every TCF alt Take example from colsup, they don`t smack,they don`t flame,when they post its mature. Good to see old friends stay at their values
DeadDuck	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:48:00 - [189] Originally by: Gozmoth Originally by: Fred0 Do you honestly believe that yourself? It was not oh they are threatening us. It was more oooh they have capital ships not in docking range now maybe they will fight. Unfortunately they are now all within docking range again and nothing is at stake. I sincerely think that nobody believes anymore the tcf-doesnt-fight-and-hides-in-station story anymore. Sorry. Believe me you should ...
Deva Blackfire	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:52:00 - [190] Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Gozmoth Originally by: Fred0 Do you honestly believe that yourself? It was not oh they are threatening us. It was more oooh they have capital ships not in docking range now maybe they will fight. Unfortunately they are now all within docking range again and nothing is at stake. I sincerely think that nobody believes anymore the tcf-doesnt-fight-and-hides-in-station story anymore. Sorry. Believe me you should ... Guess i really need to install fraps...
Shadowsword	Posted - 2006.06.27 11:07:00 - [191] Originally by: Geralt Rivia Originally by: Gozmoth Originally by: Fred0 Do you honestly believe that yourself? It was not oh they are threatening us. It was more oooh they have capital ships not in docking range now maybe they will fight. Unfortunately they are now all within docking range again and nothing is at stake. I sincerely think that nobody believes anymore the tcf-doesnt-fight-and-hides-in-station story anymore. Sorry. yah sure, i believe every TCF alt Take example from colsup, they don`t smack,they don`t flame,when they post its mature. Good to see old friends stay at their values Just in passing, Gozmoth isn't an alt, he just doesn't have "show alliance" and "show corp" in his forum settings... ------------------------------------------ Don't make War, War is messy. Make love instead, so your kids will do the War part for you.
Shadowsword	Posted - 2006.06.27 11:20:00 - [192] Originally by: Exus Originally by: Gozmoth I sincerely think that nobody believes anymore the tcf-doesnt-fight-and-hides-in-station story anymore. Sorry. ok now prove something, you have the number and the pvp experience. why moving all your stuff from the south if its only to live again in NPC stations... just want to discover some new areas ? btw, with kali, there will be new regions, maybe you could have a place here. but in Venal, I dont think so, there is enough people... Why Venal? In short, because it was a hot spot. Our alliance was just newly formed, our corps had never cooperated together before, and our first joint opTration has been the 200-man gang that went in Venal for the first time. We needed some place to learn to work together and acquire experience. We could have chosen a nice, cozzy spot, a region where we'd have been relatively left in peace and started mass mining/hunting, but guess what: alliances that choose the easy way are doomed. Their military muscle will atrophy, as their pvpers leave that alliance for another where there's more action, and sooner or later, they'll be invaded. It's what happended to the old FA. So we choosed a spot where we'd have a lot of hostiles, to keep us on our toes, and follow a NBSI policy. We can't spend much time hunting or mining, but it dosen't matter. As for NPC stations, we didn't have much choice to begin with. Concquerable stations means POS warfare, and POS warfare means lots of Dread, which we don't have yet. ------------------------------------------ Don't make War, War is messy. Make love instead, so your kids will do the War part for you.
Gozmoth	Posted - 2006.06.27 11:22:00 - [193] Edited by: Gozmoth on 27/06/2006 11:23:17 Originally by: Geralt Rivia yah sure, i believe every TCF alt It is not because my settings was not showing my corp/alliance, that i am an alt. :)
Geralt Rivia	Posted - 2006.06.27 11:25:00 - [194] Originally by: Gozmoth Edited by: Gozmoth on 27/06/2006 11:23:17 Originally by: Geralt Rivia yah sure, i believe every TCF alt It is not because my settings was not showing my corp/alliance, that i am an alt. :) Was too lazy to check ingame, soz for calling u an alt
Gozmoth	Posted - 2006.06.27 11:29:00 - [195] Originally by: Geralt Rivia Was too lazy to check ingame, soz for calling u an alt No problem ! Just be sure to warn me when you will be in Venal ! I will show you how fast i can dock !
Doc Punkiller	Posted - 2006.06.27 12:08:00 - [196] Edited by: Doc Punkiller on 27/06/2006 12:12:08 Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Gozmoth Originally by: Fred0 Do you honestly believe that yourself? It was not oh they are threatening us. It was more oooh they have capital ships not in docking range now maybe they will fight. Unfortunately they are now all within docking range again and nothing is at stake. I sincerely think that nobody believes anymore the tcf-doesnt-fight-and-hides-in-station story anymore. Sorry. Believe me you should ... Guess i really need to install fraps... Dont play this... you know, and everyone know that at a station you can dock if you know that you could not handle ennemy camp. Razor have done that, D2 have done that, we have done that. Yesterday, while beeing camped we attacked the station camp and guess what ? The ships disapeared from overview but no ennemy can left inspace... omg docking exploit !!! So, stop hypocrisy... (and, not for you specifically, but stop dropping can at undocking spot, this is real exploit)
Harisdrop	Posted - 2006.06.27 13:18:00 - [197] TCF is for real. The origanal post was in april. They are still here. Venal is a hotspot and it will only get hotter. We all must live with an eye over our should. Venal should become the festering groud of all limbo corps/alliances. I invite all that have anything to prove to prove it here. PVP really.
Khayman33	Posted - 2006.06.27 13:49:00 - [198] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Gozmoth Originally by: Fred0 Do you honestly believe that yourself? It was not oh they are threatening us. It was more oooh they have capital ships not in docking range now maybe they will fight. Unfortunately they are now all within docking range again and nothing is at stake. I sincerely think that nobody believes anymore the tcf-doesnt-fight-and-hides-in-station story anymore. Sorry. Believe me you should ... Guess i really need to install fraps... Me too , sry ...
Khayman33	Posted - 2006.06.27 14:03:00 - [199] Originally by: Harisdrop TCF is for real. The origanal post was in april. They are still here. Venal is a hotspot and it will only get hotter. We all must live with an eye over our should. Venal should become the festering groud of all limbo corps/alliances. I invite all that have anything to prove to prove it here. Yes we are still here and make kill ( we love it and live for it ! ) , some people think this is easy to make an alliance and form non-experienced pilots, make logistic things , etc ... when you are surrounded by enemy It sure we can t face D2 for the moment ( oups sorry D2 , RAZOR , GUARDS , GA , some corps in venal )but the time will change , and your speech will change if you do not want to remain blind men.
Kendar	Posted - 2006.06.27 14:58:00 - [200] Edited by: Kendar on 27/06/2006 14:58:21 ops
Exus	Posted - 2006.06.27 15:10:00 - [201] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Exus Originally by: Gozmoth I sincerely think that nobody believes anymore the tcf-doesnt-fight-and-hides-in-station story anymore. Sorry. ok now prove something, you have the number and the pvp experience. why moving all your stuff from the south if its only to live again in NPC stations... just want to discover some new areas ? btw, with kali, there will be new regions, maybe you could have a place here. but in Venal, I dont think so, there is enough people... Why Venal? In short, because it was a hot spot. Our alliance was just newly formed, our corps had never cooperated together before, and our first joint opTration has been the 200-man gang that went in Venal for the first time. We needed some place to learn to work together and acquire experience. We could have chosen a nice, cozzy spot, a region where we'd have been relatively left in peace and started mass mining/hunting, but guess what: alliances that choose the easy way are doomed. Their military muscle will atrophy, as their pvpers leave that alliance for another where there's more action, and sooner or later, they'll be invaded. It's what happended to the old FA. So we choosed a spot where we'd have a lot of hostiles, to keep us on our toes, and follow a NBSI policy. We can't spend much time hunting or mining, but it dosen't matter. As for NPC stations, we didn't have much choice to begin with. Concquerable stations means POS warfare, and POS warfare means lots of Dread, which we don't have yet. thats right Venal is hot because of you :) but wasnt you surrounded by reds also in your south NPC region ? you was on the wrong side also ! naped with RA if I remember correctly. maybe you was just borred. it will be the same here. it seems you like it, Im ok with it but you'll suffer a lot just because you'll be red to all great north entities for ever, 'cept POE so just have fun, and keep shooting me, we also need someone to shot at
Eutha Nathia	Posted - 2006.06.27 15:23:00 - [202] I canÆt understand the both part in this "war" -TCF made the choice come to live in Venal by the force and without NAP. (And with balls) Section XIII & Colsup have 3 years experience of pvp in guerrilla mode, alone against all the universe (S XIII in CA & RA vs All) & (Coslup in FA vs BoB) -D2 is one of the 4 major alliances in Eve, They have 10 proposals/day of corpo and alliances to join them! D2 said to all these pets to live in Venal and to make plug between their alliance and the rest of the universe. Currently the facts are like that! And that can continue 3 years before D2 manages to dislodge TCF of Venal I think that can be fun for D2 because they have some target to fight (when they donÆt come over numbered) I'm sure this is fun for TCF with the quantity of target, but maybe harder with the financial part. A little political work? D2 Give Venal (or a part) to TCF and cancel the NAP with these carbear alliances! TCF clear and protect the zone! Every body is happy (except the carbear which are useless) Maybe this is too hard for the 2 part to forget their rancour
Jancen Sykes	Posted - 2006.06.27 15:35:00 - [203] Originally by: Eutha Nathia Every body is happy (except the carbear which are useless) Damnit who told you that we arnt happy atm? That must have "rumpelstilzchen" told to ya. Okay back to serius. I think both mainparts got their reason why they are doing something and why not. So just live with these battles.
Eve Phobos	Posted - 2006.06.27 15:56:00 - [204] Quote: but wasnt you surrounded by reds also in your south NPC region ? you was on the wrong side also ! naped with RA if I remember correctly. maybe you was just borred. ... No it was the right side ; a lot of ennemies = a lot of fun. And we weren't bored about that ; leaving RA at this moment made us very sad 'cause the challenge was very fun. The only thing that make me sad is the incompatibility between "TCF official post" and "Smackless/Respectfull discussion" timeo ne veniat
arjun	Posted - 2006.06.27 15:58:00 - [205] such a solution was possible before tcf came to venal. just ask the neighbours if they can live with it and are willing to set blue standing. tcf didnt ask, invaded and allied with d2s enemies against d2. bad choice of sides. the other enemies are gone from the area mostly now. so a nice outccome is now pretty unlikely and every post here and every shot fired makes it even less likely.
Amerame	Posted - 2006.06.27 15:58:00 - [206] Originally by: Exus you was on the wrong side also ! naped with RA if I remember correctly. There is only one wrong side, the one you did not choose.
Beyond Horizon	Posted - 2006.06.27 16:36:00 - [207] Edited by: Beyond Horizon on 27/06/2006 16:37:49 To the guys who are claiming that TCF are cowards and bad pvpers: I just can't believe in what you are saying. When Section XIII was a part of Red Alliance I watched them fight and I can only say that they are great pvpers, if you don't believe me - check their stats: http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=search&type=corp http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=corp&name=Section%20XIII Make LOVE not WAR?! ^^ And stop this flame already =) UPDATE: linkage
Gozmoth	Posted - 2006.06.27 17:18:00 - [208] Edited by: Gozmoth on 27/06/2006 17:18:15 Originally by: Beyond Horizon When Section XIII was a part of Red Alliance I watched them fight and I can only say that they are great pvpers, if you don't believe me - check their stats: http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=search&type=corp http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=corp&name=Section%20XIII Actually i think you can simply link TCF killboard : http://www.tauceti-federation.com/killboard/ And yes Section XIII has a lot of very effective pvpers ! We learn a lot with them and I own them a lot of my 0.0 knowledge.
Fantome	Posted - 2006.06.27 17:18:00 - [209] Cheers Beyond Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.
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