Some one missed the news bulletin.

Working as intended and working well... War is a ***** isnt it?

The more pain neut RR monkies like the OP suffer the better.

Thats fine, thats nothing to do with my issue m8. My issue is why can all those other alliances now shoot me?

neut rsb to be exact. I dont have an issue with it, think to be honest its a good thing, prob should not allow it at all in my opinion, rather than just shut it off. Thats not my issue

if it was a change when this one happened fine.. but at least tell people, cant remember this being in before, of so then hey, but bit annoyed if it was a stealth change,

Not sure if this is right, if it is its silly. Or maybe its recently changed.

But i remote booster a player, the player shoots one war warget. My agression timer goes up (fair enough) but now I am aggressed to ALL the alliances/corps that player is at war with!!

Surely thats not right? how can all those alliances now be allowed to shoot me, if the player I was rsbing only shot 1 of them?

neut rsb to be exact. I dont have an issue with it, think to be honest its a good thing, prob should not allow it at all in my opinion, rather than just shut it off. Thats not my issue

if it was a change when this one happened fine.. but at least tell people, cant remember this being in before, of so then hey, but bit annoyed if it was a stealth change,

In general, if you use any assistance module on a target, you receive ALL aggression flags that your target has for 15 minutes. Thus if your target is at war, you become subject to all the same wars.

How is that working as intended? How can you be agressed to EVERY other alliance and corp the OTHER player is at war with? when you have not commited or assisted in any kills towards those OTHER alliances?

Because you are assisting a person that all those people are at war with. Exactly how it should be, now stop crying.

In general, if you use any assistance module on a target, you receive ALL aggression flags that your target has for 15 minutes. Thus if your target is at war, you become subject to all the same wars.

Wasn't that how it used to work? Assist someone at war and all his enemies are all of a sudden your enemies?

It has always worked like this. The only recent change was the fact that we turn off assistance modules (and provide a warning) when your target commits an act of aggression or crime while you are already assisting them. This is to prevent the following situation:

1. Player A joins fleet with player B
2. Player B asks player A to assist him
3. Player A starts assisting player B
4. Player B asks his friend, player C (who is not in player B's corp), to drop a can
5. Player B steals from his friend player C and receives a theft flag
6. Player A also receives the theft flag due to him assisting player B, but player A receives NO warning
7. Player C blows up player A and player A has no idea why

This is all well and good for people who are incapable of paying attention (read incursion runners), but this change has introduced several problems that can end up being quite costly. For example:

1. Player A and player B are both in Guardians and have set up a cap chain.
2. Player C engages player D (WT, random aggression, etc).
3. Player B starts repairing player C.
4. Cap transfer from Player A to player B shuts off because player B has gained aggression, potentially causing Player C to explode, due to RR running out of cap (if player A doesn't notice, of course...not entirely unlikely if player A is an alt).

Clearly, there should be an option to turn off this warning and to prevent the modules from turning off for those of us who understand aggression. From my initial testing, it seems that having the warning for stealing from a can turned off does this, but there has been so much inconsistency in how long it takes for this warning to kick in and stop modules (the entire time the target is still receiving RR, mind you) that I have not been able to confirm this. Can a Dev/GM confirm whether this is true?

From my initial testing, it seems that having the warning for stealing from a can turned off does this, but there has been so much inconsistency in how long it takes for this warning to kick in and stop modules (the entire time the target is still receiving RR, mind you) that I have not been able to confirm this. Can a Dev/GM confirm whether this is true?

Move to null sec. All of this is moot there.

Sounds like a good change to me

This is all well and good for people who are incapable of paying attention (read incursion runners), but this change has introduced several problems that can end up being quite costly. For example:

1. Player A and player B are both in Guardians and have set up a cap chain.
2. Player C engages player D (WT, random aggression, etc).
3. Player B starts repairing player C.
4. Cap transfer from Player A to player B shuts off because player B has gained aggression, potentially causing Player C to explode, due to RR running out of cap (if player A doesn't notice, of course...not entirely unlikely if player A is an alt).

Clearly, there should be an option to turn off this warning and to prevent the modules from turning off for those of us who understand aggression. From my initial testing, it seems that having the warning for stealing from a can turned off does this, but there has been so much inconsistency in how long it takes for this warning to kick in and stop modules (the entire time the target is still receiving RR, mind you) that I have not been able to confirm this. Can a Dev/GM confirm whether this is true?

When an incursion runner dies due to old aggression rules, he wasn't paying attention. When a pvper dies due to new aggression rules, you need a crutch to avoid it. Gotcha.

When an incursion runner dies due to old aggression rules, he wasn't paying attention. When a pvper dies due to new aggression rules, you need a crutch to avoid it. Gotcha.

It's not exactly how it should be. If he also inherited all the associated timers, it would be exactly how it should beGǪ

How is that working as intended? How can you be agressed to EVERY other alliance and corp the OTHER player is at war with? when you have not commited or assisted in any kills towards those OTHER alliances?

I bet you're a marvelous co-worker.

It has always worked like this. The only recent change was the fact that we turn off assistance modules (and provide a warning) when your target commits an act of aggression or crime while you are already assisting them. This is to prevent the following situation:

1. Player A joins fleet with player B
2. Player B asks player A to assist him
3. Player A starts assisting player B
4. Player B asks his friend, player C (who is not in player B's corp), to drop a can
5. Player B steals from his friend player C and receives a theft flag
6. Player A also receives the theft flag due to him assisting player B, but player A receives NO warning
7. Player C blows up player A and player A has no idea why

Here's another fun one.

1. Player A remote sebos/RRs player B, who's at war with player C. Since player A assisted player B, player A has inherited aggression towards all of player B's war targets and corps/players he has aggression towards.
2. Player B shoots player C, thereby receiving aggression towards player C, which is counted as new aggression.
3. Player A's remote sebo/RR/assistance modules automatically deactivate and player A receives a warning about player B's shenanigans, even though player A already has aggression towards player C, via war dec aggression.

Feature working as intended...

Doesn't work that way. Player A already has aggression to Player C so no new flags are gained. Modules do not stop, pop-up happened during Step 1.

Next?

Tippia would make a great District Attorney.

I've done some further tests and confirmed that this is not the case - there is no way to disable this huge pain in the ass helpful warning. It would be greatly appreciated if the Devs could put in a check box allowing players to opt out of this warning, as well as the GCC RR warning, for our LS friends.

It would be greatly appreciated if the Devs could put in a check box allowing players to opt out of this warning, as well as the GCC RR warning, for our LS friends.

here is my problem

My corp (A, for simplicity) is at war with Corp B.

One of my guys flips a can of Corp C. Corp C gets aggro versus our guy. We are running a spider-tanking gang.

Because WE are at war with corp B, we get the message for helping OUR GUY with remote reps. CONCORD deems that helping my guy while at war, means Corp A cannot spider tank Corp A while at war, and with aggression against some other random dude.

The pop-up messages resulted in the death of our guy (a punisher took 40K damage, luls) and complete operational SNAFU. This is crappy and needs an opt-out tickybox. This does nothing to actually stop neutral RR in a war dec because we are fully aware we are at war with a 5 man corp which has vowed to do skill changes from now until eternity - but when we go out to pick trouble with others, we get nerfbatted by CONCORD.

Sorry, this is crap. GAYNINJAS is right - this needs an opt-out. CONCORD be damned with this crap - this is preventing people who consciously swap aggression via RR (the whole point of can baiting) from repping their own corpies. Let alone neutral RR.

In this case, when you are at a war, you'll cop pop-ups and module cycling halts if you attack neutral RR and have your own RR running. Sorry. if the schnitzel has hit the fan, you need to be able to run your reps and cap chains if you are aware of the risk.

Further - whenever we got aggro versus ANYONE, even in lowsec, we gained a 15 minute aggro timer versus our war targets. none of them were even signed in. How does this compute? if we RRed after the fight - even after GCC's and aggro had worn off, we also got timer vs the WT's.

CCP, you have borked this up majorly. I understand WHY you did it, but your execution was just crappy.

Not sure if this is right, if it is its silly. Or maybe its recently changed.

But i remote booster a player, the player shoots one war warget. My agression timer goes up (fair enough) but now I am aggressed to ALL the alliances/corps that player is at war with!!

Surely thats not right? how can all those alliances now be allowed to shoot me, if the player I was rsbing only shot 1 of them?

I am very happy now!

THANK YOU CCP!!!

I bet you're a marvelous co-worker.

How is that working as intended? How can you be agressed to EVERY other alliance and corp the OTHER player is at war with? when you have not commited or assisted in any kills towards those OTHER alliances?