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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.01 12:47:00 -
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In the April 30th course of PVP-DESTROYERS (an advanced PvP University class) we decided to play with a bubble. After a few catches of small ships and one caracal the enemy in Syndicate got wise to the bubble and decided to take it out. The enemy proceeded to warp in on the 13 destroyers students plus one AGONY member who showed up for the action in his Caracal. The enemy megathron was attacked and killed. In the meantime the rest of his fleet warped in to try to destroy us but the PVP-DESTROYERS students stayed focused (with the help of me repeating myself ... a lot ... I didnt know I said it that many times  ). The megathron blew up and we warped out.
Losses 1 Small Mobile Warp Disruptor, 4 Destroyers
Estimated isk lost: 11 to 12 mil.
Estimated isk killed: 40 to 50 mil.
The whole thing was filmed by Choran [AGONY] and was a magnificent display. It just shows the power of PLAYER training in PvP and that a small group of people that are well motivated and trained can destroy a much more powerful opponent.
It can be found on the AGONY unleashed web site in the downloads section. You will need a DIVX codec to see it. A free DIVX player can be found on www.divx.com.
These students are ready to unleash some agony on their enemies. My kindest salutes and regards go out to the following students, instructors and agony pilots:
Rells (AGONY) - Instructor
Rasql (HID) - Instructor
Ezrafrombrooklyn (AGONY) - AGONY Member flying with us.
deadmaus (BLKLS)
Safron Zy (CATY)
Zacxkiller (AGONY)
Tuang Pao (AGONY)
Albretch (AGONY)
Quutar (XENT)
Sever Aldaria [ITO]
Killmall187 (A)*
catherda (BLKLS)
Vasco Lokarn (UKC)
You all did an EXCELLENT job and this was the kill of the week. You remained cool under fire and threat from a multiple BS force and did your job perfectly.
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Posted - 2006.05.01 14:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Dark Shikari
Destroyers may be gimped, but anyone who thinks they're gimped enough that a mega could take on 14 of them deserves to die 
Watch closely, he had 4 friends includign 3 more BS. He thought he could take us out before we did anything to him. AGONY does not disengage and just safespot when outnumbered like many others.
Originally by: HippoKing
i just wish it had been heikki
That wouldnt have been nice. At any rate we had people outside smartbomb range and he would have had 0 cap left.
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Posted - 2006.05.01 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Destroyers may be gimped, but anyone who thinks they're gimped enough that a mega could take on 14 of them deserves to die
Meh i could kill 14 destroyers in my ishtar no problem, especially 14 pilotted by relatively new players
**Blaring Klaxon**
**SLAM** <sound of breaking machinery>
Sorry .. that annoying Klaxon you just heard was the smacktalk detector. Please resume your seats and continue with what you were doing ...
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.01 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 01/05/2006 17:28:04
For those new to the game, here is the glossary:
Blob:
What the victim calls a fleet of ships they get killed by because they were unprepared or underestimated their opponent.
Zerg:
See 'blob'
"Unless they are fitted with ECM":
A common phrase said by people who dont want to use ECM because you will kill them.
"I could take you in my XXX easy.":
See Smacktalk.
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Posted - 2006.05.01 19:21:00 -
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You can devise a setup to kill anything in the game so the whole "i can kill with ... " is pointless. The question is not what can you devise to kill us but whether you actually DID fit that and what the result was. When I encounter things we cant kill I decline the engagement. When I encounter things we can kill, I engage. That isnt anything other than simply playing smart.
If you can always have perfect intel on your enemy, you will crush him.¦However, life and this game dont work like that. If you get intel on us we go elsewhere or do somethign else, forcing you to always adapt.
So ... bring out the smartbombers.
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Posted - 2006.05.01 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 01/05/2006 22:02:15
An ishtar would be hard but a fleet could do it. I teach them tactics against drone ships. Your drones would get diced like onions in a japaneese chef's kitchen. Once that is done we have all the time in the world to kill you. You might kill about 4 or 5 but unless you could kill 7 or 8 before we got your drones we would still have plenty of DPS to kill ya. Your guns would be useless. Remember you may be able to tank 1100dps ... but for how long? Certainly not as long as we can dish it out.
Originally by: Cotton Tail
While your're perfectly accurate in saying that a mega is not a match for 14 destroyers... your dps numbers are a little... high? Or am I just a nub who can't get his destroyer to do 1100dps?
The FLEET can do that damage, not a single ship.
Originally by: Evil Sulu
While I personally don't think that Rell's school teaches anything that a player can't learn on his/her own with a few good forum guides and a few weeks of experimentating with T1 frigs, anytime new PVPers get out and shoot something other than a roid its a good thing.
Not one person has ever been anythign but delighted at the pvp courses and felt their money well spent. Reading and messing around is one thing but until you back that up with flight time and personal instruction, you are still behind the curve massively.
Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
Mind you, I probably don't need to go on the course now I've seen the video. The main point of the curriculum seems to be "kill the ship" (with a secondary point of "stay out of the bubble"). 
I never realized how much I repeat myself but I have some untrained pilots with me and we are fighting a battleship with 3 more warping in. I didnt want them to panic and warp out or change targets or anything. And I wanted to save as many ships as possible.
So now I know I dont need to rpeat myself so much.
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Posted - 2006.05.01 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 01/05/2006 22:12:13
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Got to give credit when credit is due. Rells is helping the community by giving T1 pilots, T2 mentalities. A kill is a kill, a loss is a loss. Difference is lvl 10s can kill one level 60.
I am also sending Wierchas to your PvP university soon. 
/me hides from Wierchas.
Be glad to have them. I recently was in a frigate fleet where we took on a tech 2 fitted prophecy and killed it. Whereupon he smacked in local that he killed 12 ships and we only got 1. Of course we killed 15 times more isk than we lost.
Its not the kill count, its the isk count. We lost 4 or 5 ships to that mega but we came out far ahead.
AGONY is now for hire by those exortionist corps.
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Posted - 2006.05.01 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 01/05/2006 23:11:00
Originally by: Sever Aldaria
PS: I never thought destroyers were quick enough to get past a 70+ goonfleet.
I was wrong.
That was rather funny.... "Nice fleet, I think we will avoid it."
Rather like being the Road Runner.
Beep Beep.
Edit: Thanks to all students for the compliments.
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Posted - 2006.05.02 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Wattish
Dont let people water down your kills guys :) good job.
Much love to rells for doing this <3
Heh .. smacktalk never bothers me. The thread has already served its purpose magnificently.
One thing I do love about goon is that you guys are good sports and dont smack.
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Posted - 2006.05.02 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 02/05/2006 09:26:24
Edited by: Rells on 02/05/2006 09:25:42
Originally by: Outa Rileau
TBH this sounds very nublish to me... compared to your numbers, adn the fact that it's a mega, he should have died and you shouldn't ahve suffered that many losses.... NUBS! haha
Originally by: Terrak2
It doesn't take balls to attack someone 14v1. Usually, it barely takes co-ordination. Say 'Mega is primary' and the mega will die.
1) Deja Thoris knows a HELL of a lot more about PvP than you do.
2) If you think you can go with an uncoordinated, unskilled fleet of 14 light ships and just take out a battleship, you are a moron.
3) You and your buddy quoted above are either blind or didnt watch closely. There were 3 other battleships, 1 cruiser and a couple of small ships that warped in maybe 15 seconds after the fight started.
4) The players in the gang stayed cool under fire in an intense sitation when VASTLY outnumbered and outgunned, and made a kill in a situation when half the people in the game that think they are hot stuff would have failed to engage. Most people in the game would have safe spotted and logged when they had destroyers and 5 BS, a HAC and several other ships were in local.
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I am PROUD of my students and their guts. You sir, and those like you, are just trolls. You think you can own us? Come do it. We fight in Syndicate as EVERYONE knows. If Deja Thoris and her crew doesn't hand your arrogant, boasting ass to you, we will.
Contraband, Third Front Alliance, Goonfleet, S******dly and OSS I respect. I know they are damn good, some of the best in the game. You are just a forum rat with a big mouth that will NEVER back it up; a rat without even the guts to post with your main.
Pathetic.
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Posted - 2006.05.02 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Is Rells engaging in a bit of shameless self promotion? No doubt.
Gilty as charged. But this post wasnt really written for any of the people that posted on it. You and I both knew that of course. 
One of our students in a Basic class got the final on a dominix and i dont think he will ever delete that killmail. We dont do magic, we just show newer players that they ARE relevant and that they CAN do something about those shooting at them. We show them that they dont have to be sheep anymore.
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Posted - 2006.05.02 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon
1) Wrong. De ja is a noob
GJ Rells, It was nice seeing you guys burling round syndicate. You should arrange some training fights with OSS, as I know they'll be up for it.
Ahh well we have those sessions sometimes. Not exactly planned though.
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Posted - 2006.05.02 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Congrats on the kill.
May I ask what the setup on the destroyers was? Just curious.
They were fitted according to the Hydra Principle.
Originally by: Cerridwehn Odessa
Good job and good for you for teaching them.
But of course let them know that it won't always roll out like that, have to be smart about it ^^. It's entirely possible that 1 ship could destroy all of that.
Under the same conditions in the same situation, the outcome would always be the same. Smart bombs wouldnt have helped him as there were only 2 pilots using blasters and thus close enough to get popped.
Originally by: madaluap
i killed a tech 2 fitted harpy with a trasher, where i my medal 
While he was AFK Im sure. It woould take an AFK puilot or one with a serious brain injury if he couldnt kill a dessy with a harpy 1 on 1.
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Posted - 2006.05.02 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 02/05/2006 23:15:38
Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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As a student that has payed and played all 3 of AU's PVP classes, IMO all 3 lessons were quality and well worth the cost. Yours was just a waste of my time.
As an alt who's payed and played all 3 of AU's PVP classes, IMO all 3 lessons were of horrible quality and not worth the cost. Important peices of information missing and the misconception of numbers for superiority versus using your brain was common.
Really? What information was missing specifically? How did the basic, frigspec and destroyer classes proceed from start to end? What did you fight and who is the name of the alt?
Personally I think you are full of natural fertilizer. I dont mind piracy but you are just a bloody liar.
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Posted - 2006.05.02 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Again, that isn't tactics. That isn't teaching them how to survive. That's teaching them that joining goonfleet for the sheer numbers must be the only way to win a fight.
Likely this was a "How to fly in a gang" lesson. More advanced lessons would be taught with two craft (instructor/student) with interceptors/AFs/cruisers. At least thats what I would do...
One on one pvp in Eve is half luck that you have the right ship setup at the right time and encounter the right opponent in the right setup at the right time. Duels prove nothing because they are contrived. You cant arrange for your opponent to show up in what you can kill.
Part of the lesson is to fly in a fleet and equip the fleet properly. Unlike many others on this thread, I dont need to pump up my balls with a bycycle pump to try to look good. AU PvP University stands on its reputation as does AGONY. We provide a service at a fee and have so many people lining up to pay that we have to sometimes bump them to a future class. Our students enjoy the course and tell their corpmates which come to us.
The pirates would like to keep all of our students hiding in the systems just sheep to their piracy. Unfortunately for them that isnt happening. The pirates are primarily motivated out of trying to not only pirate in game but also on forums. Some of them dont even deserve the title pirate. One poster in this thread at least deserves only the title "liar". We have had students that have said "I havent run from a pirate since I took the course" and that has GOT to be irritating to the pirates.
But they will sit there blinking in space, thinking they are all hot stuff because they can hit unarmed haulers, barges and newbies and call themselves leet pvpers. It makes me laugh.
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Posted - 2006.05.02 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 02/05/2006 23:35:21
Edited by: Rells on 02/05/2006 23:33:34
Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 02/05/2006 23:21:20
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What did you fight and who is the name of the alt?
Right, because that trick always works. You and your cunning, shifty ways. You almost had me blurt it out.  Quote:
I dont mind piracy but you are just a bloody liar.
I'm a liar because you didn't run security checks on who was entering your lessons? For shame.
You are a liar because you wont answer the questions about the content of the course and the hidden posts. None of which would give away your "alt".
I dont mind pirates in the least. Liars are just pathetic and beneath contempt.
Oh and incidentally, no, we dotn run security checks. We dont care if pirates join the course. Not even if alts join the course. If they pay their fee then that is fine. In the wolfpacks they cant do any harm except to themselves. If you QUICKLY sign up for PvP Basic on the 14th and then take the next frigspec and then destroyers class you might have an answer to my questions in about six weeks. Maybe someone on this thread wotn notice the date difference.
If you try to hack my site, on the other hand, I will call the police. The real police that is.
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Posted - 2006.05.02 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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If you try to hack my site, on the other hand, I will call the police. The real police that is.
Is that a threat?
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Posted - 2006.05.03 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: fmercury
Edited by: fmercury on 03/05/2006 00:09:29
Originally by: Malka Badi'a
That's teaching them that joining goonfleet for the sheer numbers must be the only way to win a fight.
She would rather we teach them how to fly in front of her with cargos full of megacyte and no guns so her 6 stabbed bs can have a challenging fight and be leet.
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Posted - 2006.05.03 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jhonen Senraedi
Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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As a student that has payed and played all 3 of AU's PVP classes, IMO all 3 lessons were quality and well worth the cost. Yours was just a waste of my time.
As an alt who's payed and played all 3 of AU's PVP classes, IMO all 3 lessons were of horrible quality and not worth the cost. Important peices of information missing and the misconception of numbers for superiority versus using your brain was common.
Ah You probably went there to learn how to PvP and are just too ashamed to admit it.....
Until she answers my questions about the course content everyone will know she is just a liar. Nothing more.
Thanks to all the PvP University students that have replied to this thread. Im glad you all enjoyed the course and had fun and you are welcome to fly with AGONY any time you want. Just dont let people goad you. Fight the enemy on YOUR terms, not theirs.
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Posted - 2006.05.03 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Easy Kill
Good job on the Mega kill Rells and co.
I saw your gang floating about when me and a friend were out looking for targets. Having been in a few T1 frigate/destroyer gangs I know how deadly they can be so we decided not to engage. You guys nearly got my Jag and my friends Eagle.
Keep up the good work, more active PvPers means more people willing to give a good fight, regardless of what ship they fly.
You guys are fun to fight. No smacktalk and great pilots. Be happy to fight you guys any day ... well except when you guys have those 100 ship fleets . Im telling my pilots "Wait .. dont do anything ... let the lag calm down." when we jump in . And Im honored we catch as many forum thugs as you guys do.
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Posted - 2006.05.03 13:59:00 -
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The mods decide what is spam, not you.
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Posted - 2006.05.03 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Wan
Originally by: Miyau
Originally by: Mary Wan
Even flying in a small gang, unless you're lead (and especially if your lazy like me) you dont do anything cept target and activate modules.
You badly need to take one of these PvP basic lessons Mary. :)
Yea, seriously I could be totally wrong here and you guys could be getting quality PVP instruction ( )
So tell me, what exactly do you do in one of those gangs other than targetting and activating mods?
Take the course and find out.
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Posted - 2006.05.04 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 04/05/2006 17:34:13
Originally by: Rain Finale
There have been over 100 players attend PVP University classes at least. (Can you give me a more accurate figure Rells?)
BASIC: 139 including students currently paid for this weekend. (Though I havent been home to do enrollment)
FRIGSPEC: 46 in 3 sessions
DESTROYERS: 13 in 1 session
This doesnt count AGONY members.
And yes, the reason I had to cap enrollment is Ventrilo slots.
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Posted - 2006.05.04 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kadrush
link for the site plz
Click on my sig.
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Posted - 2006.05.04 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: deadmaus
Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
kill a domi with destoryers and ill think your good, killing a ship that probably has only long range stuff on isnt to impressive
err the Domi there warped out just before he went pop.
The Domi JUMPED away, not warped. Drones currently dont cause aggro timer.
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Posted - 2006.05.05 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bacchuss
Originally by: Kyguard
Wow, I'm surprised you're actually causing people to be jealous of you Rells , at least its good to see the Goons understand you from experience.
Ignore the idiots and keep up the good work
yea, we are all jealous idiots
Well since Kyguard and I are posting with our mains and you arent, that makes you chicken. So I dont know about jealous but you definitely are a coward.
Post with your main otherwise sum(respect, you) = 0.
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