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Vigdis Thorisdottir
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.13 23:57:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:Nova Fox wrote:wasnt it like 20% found WiS agreeable and majority of the newest players dont mind wis? Perhaps. But I'm not sure if that's an accurate number without some data to base it on.
No less accurate than "99%", I'd guess..... :) |
BugraT WarheaD
Astromechanica Federatis
22
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Posted - 2011.11.14 08:07:00 -
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Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:Nova Fox wrote:wasnt it like 20% found WiS agreeable and majority of the newest players dont mind wis? Perhaps. But I'm not sure if that's an accurate number without some data to base it on. No less accurate than "99%", I'd guess..... :)
I think that there's no real statistic on here  |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
263
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Posted - 2011.11.14 10:45:00 -
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CCP has lots of good ideas and good potential for WiS. Once they get rid of NeX/Aurum influence to WiS they will be free to implement alot of the ideas they had before. With the Nex/Aurum everything you do will be based on what the system can provide and not what the market/players can provide.
If they remove the straightjacket they imposed on WiS they can make it a usefull, fun and active element in the sandbox where many things like manufactring, research, etc can be "optimised" by players. Just like any other MMO that has that kind of stuff. (jewellery making = implant production, crafting=research/production/repair/creation of clothing).
Linked witht he minerals out of space and the resources from PI those station that have acces to the best mix of planets/corps/minerals/transportation would grow into hubs of activity.
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Lord Wamphyri
Starside Lost
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Posted - 2011.11.14 11:25:00 -
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It's all very easy to throw around figures like '99%' but you have to remember that a lot of players never use the forums. Granted there were a lot of people who so say unsubbed and/or shot the jita statue but how many more just went about their daily business?
I'm one of those who is eagerly awaiting WiS. Even with the return of Ship Spinning I've left my CQ active. That's not to say I want development on FiS to stop in favour of WiS, I don't - even though FiS has been the main focus for the majority of EVE's lifetime, but that's not the point here.
Sometimes you want to just kick back and relax while still being part of the EVE universe. For me at the moment that means sitting in station with chat windows open. Hopefully when WiS is expanded upon this will open up a whole new level of interaction.
Personally I'd love to see things like mini games available on a station promenade, like the holographic biplane game in the first Star Trek movie, or maybe the simulator idea in Wing Commander. I know a variant of one game - the name escapes me - was in the first ambulation demo. (The one involving capturing squares)
There is so much potential in WiS.
It's not about not liking the spaceship part of EVE, it's about being immersed in the complete SciFi simulator that has always been the goal of CCP. WiS is just another step in this direction. It's very easy to throw around tired memes about going to other games but they're not EVE.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.14 13:15:00 -
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Angeliena wrote:We, the 99%'ers of EVE do NOT want to see WiS developed at the expense of FiS FULL STOP!
I have had enough of the 1%'ers demanding EVE devs focus away from FiS and core game mechanic improvements towards building unimportant features:
Space Pets are not important
Space station homes are not important
Space station furniture is not important
Space Barbies are not important
The 99%ers have spoken. We have had "Occupy Jita"
First of all, speak for yourself. You're not the voice of the Eve community.
Secondly, it wasn't 99% of the Eve community. Nor was it 75%. Or even 50%. The percentage is closer to 20%, and that's a generous estimation. There was about 50 K players online and maybe 10 k max did the emo-rage protesting.
Thirdly, nobody is demanding Eve Dev's to focus away from FiS and core game mechanic improvements. But if you really want to talk about some unimportant features, there's a few in your list below.
Angeliena wrote:CCP has heard our voice and has now focused on bringing us good things like:
New session change timer tweaks,
New Tier 3 BC,
New T2 mods,
New POS fueling,
Hybrid balance,
Time dilation,
New ship fitting screen,
Return of ship spinning,
New ship skins,
Capital rebalance etc.
These are the important things and thanks to the voice of the 99%'ers CCP is now listening and is delivering up the goods.
To the 1%'er "Space Barbie" lovers who want CCP devs to waste their time on WiS, We Say NO.
If you can not live without space housing then leave EVE and go play Final Fantasy 15 or Ever Quest 1, 2, 3 and hang out with the other snark and Grumpkin lovers!
This message has been brought to you by the Abaddon WiS now campaign
As I said above, you don't speak for the Eve community and it wasn't 99%. More like 20% which just happens to be a very loud vocal minority.
All the 'Important' things you listed is not new content. Most of it is just 'Fixes' that should have been done years ago. The only 2 things in your list that could be considered 'New' would be the T3 Battlecruisers and ship skins. Unfortunately those still don't add any new game content.
Also there are no new T2 modules, T2 items are created by players through invention. There has been some hinting of missing Faction/Deadspace modules that are already in the item database being seeded into the game. Module icon graphics on the UI is whats being changed or rather reverted back to original. They will still show the enhanced graphics on the info box and preview as well as on the ships.
By the way, you forgot to add Engine Trails, Nebula graphics, Ship buffing / balancing to your list. I believe there's a few other things being implemented as well pertaining to Docking range, suicide ganking, FW, PI, etc.
In case you didn't realize this, CCP's new direction of 'focusing on what makes EVE great', is mostly about fixing, balancing and hopefully finishing existing game content. Mainly it's more like a facade, a temporary 'Placebo' to placate a loud vocal minority.
Anyway, I'm pleased to inform you that CCP's vision for Eve Online has always been from the very start to create a Science Fiction Virtual Reality Universe. FiS is only one aspect of that. WiS is another aspect of that. CCP has stated over and over, time and time again, that is their vision and the direction they are going with Eve Online.
Referencing WiS as 'Space Sims with Space Barbies' and stating that it doesn't belong in Eve Online denotes an immature closed minded viewpoint. With that being said, you've made your point. You don't like the idea of WiS which is fine. Instead of trying to derail this thread, just turn off station environment and go fly spaceships. |
BugraT WarheaD
Astromechanica Federatis
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Posted - 2011.11.14 16:46:00 -
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I'm sure i've said that arguing for pro or con isn't the subject ^^ |
BugraT WarheaD
Astromechanica Federatis
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:55:00 -
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Sorry for Bumping this thread, but i'm thinking of something ... Is there anyone who knows if CCP told us if we're going to interact with Dust Marines through WiS ? |
Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
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Posted - 2011.11.16 12:34:00 -
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Personally I do not mind if they continue with WiS or scrap it because I will enjoy either more WiS content or FiS content, but I liked your post because of your typing style! ;D Everyone needs more smilies and less rude comebacks.
Keep up the good work capsuleer!
Ferox #1 |
BugraT WarheaD
Astromechanica Federatis
30
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:43:00 -
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It's certainly due to my way of french-thinking a text before writing it done ! I can't help it, to hard to think in english 
Thank Kietay, come visit my CQ one day  |
Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
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Posted - 2011.11.17 02:38:00 -
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French... real French or French Canadian? >_> IT MATTERS
Ferox #1 |
Nypheas Azurai
Azimuth Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.11.17 03:22:00 -
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Angeliena wrote:We, the 99%'ers of EVE do NOT want to see WiS developed at the expense of FiS FULL STOP!
Thinking yourself the 99%: asinine. full stop.
No one knows who's for WiS or FiS because the issues are not fully separable (except for the die-hard lesser clods who think the game is solely about one thing). I don't think we can put any sort of credible percentage on it because there's no reliable way to tally the userbase, except to say a lot of people do want to see WiS and not at the expense of anything else other than EVE sinking into stagnancy.
Common Fallacies:
EVE is only about FiS
FACT: the existence of everything from markets to PoS to industry disproves this. EVE is a multi-faceted game, it's about time WiS became one of those facets
FiS suffered because of WiS
FACT: FiS *and* WiS suffered because of WoD and DUST. CCP rightfully shifted work away from these projects, but wrongfully thinks its now ok to throw the baby out with the bath water and neglect their distant cousin: WiS in EVE.
WiS cannot be developed in tandem with WiS - it's one or the other
FACT: CCP is in the business (the business we put them in) to do just that. Every year they come out with (for better or worse) two expansions; expansions that are developed *alongside* and in tandem with the core of the game including FiS. CCP is capable of working on both, unless they allow the playerbase to think they're not.
We already have our expansion this winter: Crucible
FACT: Crucible represents a long-standing list of changes that were planned and requested but neglected over several years. While they are a substantial set of fixes and updates, the amount of "new and expansive" content (not updated, retextured or improved) is limited to a handful of ships, and not nearly on the order of what we can expect from an expansion that comes only twice a year (that last part is opinion, but I hope you share it, otherwise we set the bar pretty low).
The rest is opinion. It's my opinion CCP recognizes the disgrace that was Incarna, and knows that they are in debt to the playerbase for a proper expansion. However they cleverly believe they can pull off a mega patch that should have been incrementally introduced over the years to serve as this expansion, offering false penance to FiS at the expense of everything else including the future of their game. This is wrong, FiS should not be an either-or with WiS, but an inclusive-and.
While it's true they need time to refocus on FiS, they at least owe us the respect as peers in EVE to lay us out a plan for its future, the future of WiS, and more so than just "maybe sometime later". |
Crystal Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
29
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Posted - 2011.11.17 04:01:00 -
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On #3 to me the UI we had was always basically the wired in UI of our pod. Immersion wise all that data is being fed to us by our pod computer which is interfacing with our ship.
So yes, when we leave our pod how are we getting those displays, are they on the inside of my glasses 
I would also like to see ships where we walked in the ships and it takes like 5-xx players to fly it and man all of its systems.
To go with that I'd like to see a contract type for hourly labor: Ships Gunner Wanted
New players could get a job on a ship. |
Arya Greywolf
Tasty Beverage
3
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Posted - 2011.11.17 04:12:00 -
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BugraT WarheaD wrote: Environement...
This is really bugging me, I can't help it. It's spelled environment, with no e between n and m.
Good post and ideas though... As long as they keep absolute and primary focus on FiS > WiS.
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BugraT WarheaD
Astromechanica Federatis
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Posted - 2011.11.17 11:35:00 -
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Kietay Ayari wrote:French... real French or French Canadian? >_> IT MATTERS
Real French 
JAMBON BEURRE FROMAGE PUTAIN, LA BOURSE OU LA VIE ?
Arya Greywolf wrote:This is really bugging me, I can't help it. It's spelled environment, with no e between n and m.
Good post and ideas though... As long as they keep absolute and primary focus on FiS > WiS.
Sorry ... French word in an english text 
But yes, as long FiS is being improved, developped and enhanced, WiS could (must !) leave its life too.
Quote:I would also like to see ships where we walked in the ships and it takes like 5-xx players to fly it and man all of its systems.
To go with that I'd like to see a contract type for hourly labor: Ships Gunner Wanted
Don't sure about this. Capsuleers were as gods on a starship, so multiples capsuleers in a ship is at best strange, at worse a heresy. But taking Dust marines in a new ship class like landable ships for transferring them from a point to an other should be nice.
Never forget that capsuleers get in pods before getting in their ships, they don't have something like a CIC ;)
Btw, i'd like to read devs about this matter of immersion in Incarna. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.11.17 11:47:00 -
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I'm sure the first step in getting WiS gameplay would be having netcode, being able to render more than 1 avatar in real time and generally making the Carbon engine less utter s*** in every way.
Once you get past the technical hurdles (and keep in mind, its been about 4 years to get to this point for Carbon, the last 2 years using the majority of CCP's resources), you'll have to find somebody who can convince the coke loving Vikings not to put microtransactions all over it. |
BugraT WarheaD
Astromechanica Federatis
32
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:45:00 -
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Yes but reworking the UI before presenting this to the players would have been nice [:/] |
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