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Bullet Monkey	Posted - 2006.05.02 12:05:00 - [1] Just got a bunch of mails from my agents telling me they'd be moving, including the ones in gasp Hageken. Has this been planned for a while? Don't recall hearing anything about it.
bongomen	Posted - 2006.05.02 13:11:00 - [2] yes wtf 1 month no flying for these agents , move the agents please asap
Sable Moran	Posted - 2006.05.02 13:22:00 - [3] Originally by: Bullet Monkey Has this been planned for a while? Don't recall hearing anything about it. Read this. ----- Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene 5, Moon 4, Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Ammo at affordable prices.
Angelic Resolution	Posted - 2006.05.02 13:22:00 - [4] **** oath not again. First the move from Isaziwa to Hageken (Which took about 2 or 3 weeks) and now they're all being moved again...
Nocturnal Avenger	Posted - 2006.05.02 13:29:00 - [5] Arrrghhh - I have 10.0 with both agents. Since they have both offered me a mission, I seriously hope it won't affect my standing when I am unable to either accept or decline the missions before they run out of time... A bit of warning would have been nice.
Angelic Resolution	Posted - 2006.05.02 13:32:00 - [6] Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger Arrrghhh - I have 10.0 with both agents. Since they have both offered me a mission, I seriously hope it won't affect my standing when I am unable to either accept or decline the missions before they run out of time... A bit of warning would have been nice. Petition it.
Deimos Ares	Posted - 2006.05.02 14:07:00 - [7] Letting a mission lapse does not affect standing. It does count as declining a mission, though, so don't go back to that agent and decline a mission withing 4 hours after having let one lapse.
Nocturnal Avenger	Posted - 2006.05.02 14:10:00 - [8] Originally by: Angelic Resolution Petition it. Worked like a charm
Waenn Ironstaff	Posted - 2006.05.02 14:34:00 - [9] Can we expect Blood Raiders agents to be moved as well? Somewhere closer to Khanid space? :)
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.05.02 14:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Waenn Ironstaff Can we expect Blood Raiders agents to be moved as well? Somewhere closer to Khanid space? :) You mean out of their home region? No. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Static Universe	Posted - 2006.05.02 15:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Deimos Ares Letting a mission lapse does not affect standing. It does count as declining a mission, though, so don't go back to that agent and decline a mission withing 4 hours after having let one lapse. Actually, I let a mission offer expire two weeks ago and got a standing loss to both the corp and the agent. Reason: "Mission Offer Expired" Transaction text: "This standing penalty was incurred for not accepting a mission" It was not a storyline either.
Wizerud	Posted - 2006.05.02 19:27:00 - [12] Indeed it does affect standing. If you have a mission listed in your journal as "Not Accepted" you have to go back to the agent you got it from and refuse it if you don't want to do it. In fact you have to go back to them if you want to accept it too.
Dotar Sojat	Posted - 2006.05.03 02:59:00 - [13] As far as I'm concerned I support moving the agents, but I'll go even farther and say that I would love to see ALLlevel 4 agents moved into low security space (0.1 to 0.3). I find that a large portion of the people currently running level 4 missions lack the skill's to be doing them in the first place. Move them to low security, let the player pirates weed out the sick and weak. We have a population problem with mission runners, all that is missing are the natural checks and balances that assure that only the strong survive. What we will end up with in these low security level 4 agent systems will be only the best pilots and the boldest pirates, separate the wheat from the chaff... Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes ...and all I got was this lousy t-shirt
Dunhill 1	Posted - 2006.05.03 12:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Dotar Sojat As far as I'm concerned I support moving the agents, but I'll go even farther and say that I would love to see ALLlevel 4 agents moved into low security space (0.1 to 0.3). I find that a large portion of the people currently running level 4 missions lack the skill's to be doing them in the first place. Move them to low security, let the player pirates weed out the sick and weak. We have a population problem with mission runners, all that is missing are the natural checks and balances that assure that only the strong survive. What we will end up with in these low security level 4 agent systems will be only the best pilots and the boldest pirates, separate the wheat from the chaff... wtf? okay tell you what, you get tons of gd guy buddies and go and protect the AGENT runners who choose NOT TO DO PVP in low sec then m8, for free, because it's the right thing to do. yes I'd like more agents in low sec BUT WAY MORE in >0.4 as well pls.
Shadarles	Posted - 2006.05.03 18:20:00 - [15] You don't get a larger player base by forcing every single player to go to low sec space. All the more carebearish players will quit if that happens... and I gaurantee you that you want the population to keep going up. The more players in the game the more money CCP makes and the more people they hire to update the game. As well, the more players there are the better the economy works. If you want more people to go to low sec space then the rewards should simply be greater, which they already are. If that doesn't get enough people to head out there, then they need to increase the rewards slightly to pull more out there. MMORPG's work best on balancing all styles of gameplay, not forcing people to play a particular way.
Dotar Sojat	Posted - 2006.05.04 00:53:00 - [16] Not real concerned with growing the number of concurrent users, not even interested in any further expansions (my money is on CCP totally blowing the 4th of July holiday). I'm interested in stability, many others like myself have been playing 3 or more years now and are ready for a non-beta version of EVE. Hey I'm an extremist, if you have the skills to level 4 solo then you should damn sure stop hiding in high security stroking your precious mods and get out there and mix it up. Here's a few more of my extreme views, albeit off topic... No bookmarks No warp core stabs No insurance No implants No POS in "secure" space No patching on weekends or Holidays Just say yes to consensual combat arenas, I'll meet you there. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes ...and all I got was this lousy t-shirt
jaffro	Posted - 2006.05.04 06:52:00 - [17] Ok so lets see if I understand this properly... Popular agents cause system congestion, which causes lag, which borks the server...? Last time this was an issue, the popular agents were relocated. Did this not just result in the mission runners following the agents, and then next thing you know... the lag is back, but now it's in the systems the agents were moved to? Now it's happening again, and certain mission runners have lost access to their favourite agents for a few weeks... what do they do while they wait? They find other agents and move to other systems... like the one I'm currently in, which has been getting laggier and dodgier every day for the last few weeks (motsu). So am I missing something, or is this just going to keep happening, until the hardware is actually capable of sustaining the amount of players that can sometimes occupy certain systems? Makes about as much sense as the idea some ccp bright spark had to make us all stop outside stations after undocking, resulting in annoying traffic jams that bounce us into ships and stations, which can be a downright pain in the arkonor.
Angelic Resolution	Posted - 2006.05.04 14:08:00 - [18] Originally by: jaffro Ok so lets see if I understand this properly... Popular agents cause system congestion, which causes lag, which borks the server...? Last time this was an issue, the popular agents were relocated. Did this not just result in the mission runners following the agents, and then next thing you know... the lag is back, but now it's in the systems the agents were moved to? Now it's happening again, and certain mission runners have lost access to their favourite agents for a few weeks... what do they do while they wait? They find other agents and move to other systems... like the one I'm currently in, which has been getting laggier and dodgier every day for the last few weeks (motsu). So am I missing something, or is this just going to keep happening, until the hardware is actually capable of sustaining the amount of players that can sometimes occupy certain systems? Makes about as much sense as the idea some ccp bright spark had to make us all stop outside stations after undocking, resulting in annoying traffic jams that bounce us into ships and stations, which can be a downright pain in the arkonor. S I G N E D.
Father Weebles	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:12:00 - [19] Edited by: Father Weebles on 04/05/2006 15:13:52 Originally by: Dotar Sojat I find that a large portion of the people currently running level 4 missions lack the skill's to be doing them in the first place. Rgr that. Last night this one guy's birthdate was March 11 and was already flying a raven...i was born Feb 16 and Im still flying a battlecruiser doing lvl3s (completed The Score lvl4 last night just for kicks :o)
DrakeStone	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:30:00 - [20] They are NOT moving both level agents to the same place, they are separating them, so NO, it won't still be a problem.
Pang Grohl	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:18:00 - [21] Originally by: Shadarles You don't get a larger player base by forcing every single player to go to low sec space. All the more carebearish players will quit if that happens... and I gaurantee you that you want the population to keep going up. The more players in the game the more money CCP makes and the more people they hire to update the game. As well, the more players there are the better the economy works. If you want more people to go to low sec space then the rewards should simply be greater, which they already are. If that doesn't get enough people to head out there, then they need to increase the rewards slightly to pull more out there. MMORPG's work best on balancing all styles of gameplay, not forcing people to play a particular way. Agents in low sec space already pay better. Moving more agents to low sec space will increase the rewards those agents give. Moving the agents to low sec space also has the added benefit of increasing player interaction, which will improve the health of the EvE economy, and incidentaly is why most people play EvE. It's not a matter of forcing anyone to do anything. It is a matter of rewarding those who actually get out there & take risks. Forum: A place where ideas come to prove their worth.
Tresh Keen	Posted - 2006.05.05 07:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Dotar Sojat Hey I'm an extremist, if you have the skills to level 4 solo then you should damn sure stop hiding in high security stroking your precious mods and get out there and mix it up. No, Running Missions and PvP are two diffrent things. Shure, i know a lot of PvP Player who like to pop missions runners. Originally by: Dotar Sojat Here's a few more of my extreme views, albeit off topic... No bookmarks No warp core stabs No insurance No implants No POS in "secure" space No patching on weekends or Holidays and - No player anymore. Then maybe you should buy X3.
Tresh Keen	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:00:00 - [23] Originally by: DrakeStone They are NOT moving both level agents to the same place, they are separating them, so NO, it won't still be a problem. it will, one of the agent will be near motsu, in a system where motsu mission runner sometimes have to go. Caldari Space has now 1 Area for mission runners - Motsu, before it was Motsu and Hage.. - I dont think that will work.
Dotar Sojat	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:24:00 - [24] Edited by: Dotar Sojat on 05/05/2006 12:26:25 I have found doing missions to be for the most part pretty boring. So I switched from command missions to security and internal security missions in low security systems. The benefits of this have been better rewards and loot in less crowded systems with a more adult population. Also much less lag from ridiculous police ships mindlessly orbiting and clueless people that undock and just sit there. Doing missions in lower security also gives me the added bonus of running into pirate characters for a pvp break from the monotony of missions. I find the pirate characters that live and work (that's right I said work) in lower security to be much more fun to pvp with and far more honorable than the mere gankers that lurk in other areas. On the whole I find lower security to be much more entertaining and rewarding. Hopefully this latest agent move will bring a few more adult, daring and skilled players to lower security areas. Maybe the diverse lifestyle in our lawless frontier will bring out of their shell many new and exciting characters that didn't realize that they really could enjoy pvp and the unpredictable nature of lower security. Just to clarify: The use of WCS denies victory to the winner. The use of bookmarks is fine, the copying of them however causes crushing lag. The wearing of expensive implants causes people to become timid and avoid confrontation. ~I guess I support insurance after all, if it wasn't for insurance I would probaly be flying a n00b ship forever due to my tendancy to step to the line and fight until my ship is out of control. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes ...and all I got was this lousy t-shirt
Doxs Roxs	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:09:00 - [25] The problem is that us noobs have about 3 years of training and money farming to catch up. Without the skills or the money how are we to compete in low security space? Dont get me wrong, I enjoy pvp in most games, but at the moment Its really a suicide for me since I lack the skills to compete versus much stronger opponents. The only thing we can do is to zerg the stronger opponents, and that is not always possible.
Altaree	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:14:00 - [26] The biggest problem seems to be two+ combat agents of the same level in the same station. Caldari mission runners have had this benifit for far too long. Being able to take two combat missions at the same level is one of the main reasons for all the congestion. StopThePop
DrakeStone	Posted - 2006.05.05 17:52:00 - [27] Originally by: Tresh Keen Originally by: DrakeStone They are NOT moving both level agents to the same place, they are separating them, so NO, it won't still be a problem. it will, one of the agent will be near motsu, in a system where motsu mission runner sometimes have to go. Caldari Space has now 1 Area for mission runners - Motsu, before it was Motsu and Hage.. - I dont think that will work. I guess I just noticed they were being separated, and I hadn't looked at the larger picture. Perhaps you are correct. We both hope you are not, I'm sure.

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