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Hairpins Blueprint
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Posted - 2014.03.25 07:28:00 -
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i think that after all plex is the one item that should not be speculated on the market ...
idea is easy, BAN buy orders on plex, and restrict amout of plexs you can buy to 3 per account per 30 day's.  |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
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Posted - 2014.03.25 07:37:00 -
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What possible purpose could this serve?
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:03:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:What possible purpose could this serve?
less speculation on plex price YO |
Rowells
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:07:00 -
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bad idea is bad. Just because plexes are getting more expensive doesn't mean we need to control the prices. It's the natural flow and ebb.
Also means no more 50 plex noobship kills either |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:18:00 -
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Rowells wrote:bad idea is bad. Just because plexes are getting more expensive doesn't mean we need to control the prices. It's the natural flow and ebb.
Also means no more 50 plex noobship kills either
can agree, would it be natural to pay 100$ for 1 L of water just because some one have money to take over total control? |
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:29:00 -
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The price of plex may rise, but the price of a monthly subscription does not. CCP will intervene to lower plex prices if and only if the high in-game price leads to a decrease in real-world profits.
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Hairpins Blueprint
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:34:00 -
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Swiftstrike1 wrote:The price of plex may rise, but the price of a monthly subscription does not. CCP will intervene to lower plex prices if and only if the high in-game price leads to a decrease in real-world profits.
it's not about " lower plex prices" it's about less market speculations.
people buy plex for $ to get isk, and people spend isk to get game time. and thats cool. but there are people that buy plex to for isk to get isk ... and that not cool at all, because they lift the prize a lot and dry up the market ... |
Nevyn Auscent
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:53:00 -
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Plex prices are rising because of increased demand without increased supply. It's that simple. There are several factors recently which have increased demand.
Market speculators are simply anticipating larger demand without larger supply and can end up getting stung if a large plex sale happens. |
HandelsPharmi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:14:00 -
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3 Plex per account per 30 days? you are kidding me...
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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:25:00 -
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Pony up the cash for a subscription already, sheesh...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:58:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:What possible purpose could this serve?
So we can prove for the millionth time in human history that price controls lead to disaster.
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Skydott
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:22:00 -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation
just a matter of time it goes above billion
Humble yourself
BEST way stop speculation remove plex from game and close it donate shop. Reduce subscribe payment and remove plex . Rise number of playing ppl. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:50:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:What possible purpose could this serve? So we can prove for the millionth time in human history that price controls lead to disaster.
we don't control the prize .... just the amount of the plex you can buy.
no one said you can sell plex for more than 400m all right? just that you can't buy all the plex off the market just to make isk on it.  |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:53:00 -
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Skydott wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation
just a matter of time it goes above billion
Humble yourself
BEST way stop speculation remove plex from game and close this donate shop. Reduce subscribe payment and remove plex . Rise number of playing ppl.
there is nothing wrong with the plex it self, it's very cool. if it would be removed from the game i guess i and a loot of other people would stop playing the game.
and the RMT market would come back in full force. |
nia starstryder
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:11:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Pony up the cash for a subscription already, sheesh...
not everyone can afford to pay for the game with real money. IF we cant play using game money, the game is too expensive and we will have to quit.
AS a merchant, I was able to get my plex with using a trial account. there were several other ways that could happen in the past, many of which are not possible at the current cost.. IF the cost of the plex goes up much more, that will be impossible for newbie players to do so. THAT could cost ccp players. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:52:00 -
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nia starstryder wrote:not everyone can afford to pay for the game with real money. IF we cant play using game money, the game is too expensive and we will have to quit.
AS a merchant, I was able to get my plex with using a trial account. there were several other ways that could happen in the past, many of which are not possible at the current cost.. IF the cost of the plex goes up much more, that will be impossible for newbie players to do so. THAT could cost ccp players.
Yeah, thats true, but the OP's suggestion is not the way to go about it. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:13:00 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:i think that after all plex is the one item that should not be speculated on the market ... idea is easy, BAN buy orders on plex, and restrict amout of plexs you can buy to 3 per account per 30 day's.
Long live the free market!
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Lidia Caderu
Harbingers of Chaos Inc
The East India Co.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:12:00 -
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As I've said before - create global market for PLEX. Not region based, but global one for whole universe. Might slower price rising. |
Cathy Mikakka
Schroedingers Fluffy Kitty Asylum
Ravens Misfits
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:32:00 -
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nia starstryder wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Pony up the cash for a subscription already, sheesh... not everyone can afford to pay for the game with real money. IF we cant play using game money, the game is too expensive and we will have to quit. AS a merchant, I was able to get my plex with using a trial account. there were several other ways that could happen in the past, many of which are not possible at the current cost.. IF the cost of the plex goes up much more, that will be impossible for newbie players to do so. THAT could cost ccp players.
Only insane person would do that. Flipping burgers pays more.... |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:36:00 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:Swiftstrike1 wrote:The price of plex may rise, but the price of a monthly subscription does not. CCP will intervene to lower plex prices if and only if the high in-game price leads to a decrease in real-world profits. it's not about " lower plex prices" it's about less market speculations. people buy plex for $ to get isk, and people spend isk to get game time. and thats cool. but there are people that buy plex to for isk to get isk ... and that not cool at all, because they lift the prize a lot and dry up the market ...
Damn capitalists.
We need a revolution clearly.
Money at its root is a form of rationing.
When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
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King Rothgar
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:53:00 -
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Simply a matter of inflation tbh. The price of everything has gone up. It wasn't that long ago BC's cost 20M isk and an Abaddon cost 120M. I also remember 250M isk plexes and privately owned capitals (not super caps) being a rare thing. Hell, I remember the PL blob being 12 thannies because being able to field a dozen carriers was a really big deal at the time. Power creep and inflation are inevitable in any persistent game.
Why is this type of thing inevitable? Because no game company with any sense actually nerfs their player's grinding speed directly. Imagine how well it would go over if they suddenly said "mission npc's in high sec will no longer pay bounties, drop loot or tags." That would fix a major inflationary source. It would also cause such an enormous uproar and rage quitting that they would have to be exceptionally foolish to even propose it as an option publicly.
As an alternative, other sources of income are boosted to alter the balance between high/low/null/w-space. Level 5 missions pay around 15-20% more LP than they did when I first started running them. I make less raw isk per mission however once LP is cashed out. In fact, it used to take only 2-3 missions to buy a plex when I first started, now it's closer to 7-8. By paying out more LP, they actually nerfed lvl5 missions by devaluing the LP greatly. It did make faction mods and implants a lot cheaper however, thus more can afford them.
To counter this inflation in null, they keep adding items to game to improve the bounties there such as the new deployable structure. This in turns adds to inflation making high sec worth less in comparison. It also drives up the cost of everything since isk is worth less than it was before. Most major updates tune these things and every one of them that does adds more inflation.
Another major point is skill creep. The higher the average player SP, the faster the average player can accumulate raw isk and materials. This devalues both and as such, takes more of them to acquire things that are of a more limited or even fixed supply. This process will not end until the servers go offline. With that said, PLEX is not a speculator's dream. Yes, 4 years ago they cost 250M and today they are well over 600M. But you could also buy an Archon for 550M back then, Abaddons for 110M isk, an Ark for under 4B isk and a 1MN Gisti B-type MWD's for 7M isk instead of 70M or whatever they are now.
Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher. |
Lidia Caderu
Harbingers of Chaos Inc
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:26:00 -
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If CCP will not do something, i'll simply stop playing. |
Endovior
Osmosis Inc
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:18:00 -
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Market speculation, even of the 'simultaneous buy and sell order' variety, is not invalid. The market, too, is a PvP area. Buy orders provide instant gratification to those too lazy to sell their goods themselves and wait for their profit. By extension, sell orders are for those people in too much of a hurry to wait for their own buy orders to be filled.
Driving these two, of course, is the time value of money... the fact that you MIGHT be able to make more money later on by waiting for someone to buy your sell order, or save some money later on by putting up a buy order instead of buying from a sell order, is offset by the fact that if you do either of these, you will not have the money or the item you want right now. In that way, by providing market volume and organizing arbitrage, the competition of the speculators makes the market faster and more efficient for the 'right now' crowd. Neither is wrong.
Lidia Caderu wrote:If CCP will not do something, i'll simply stop playing. Thus does the market correct itself. More to the point, if you're the kind of player who wasn't paying CCP at all, and was only buying PLEX, CCP won't necessarily be sad to see you go; if you leave because PLEX prices go up, the mere fact that those prices are going up makes it clear that you're in a minority. |
Amarisen Gream
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Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:38:00 -
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i've tried to argue this point in another thread. The problem is two fold GREED, and inflation. You can't stop inflation, and the only way to kill GREED is by killing the people who harbor it.
The key factors people need to look at is the rate of inflation of the plex vs other things in game. Its going to get to the point where getting your monthly plex to feed your account will be more like a job, that takes a whole month, than something you can do in a few hours if your doing the right stuff in EVE.
Controling Plex would change this to the extreme, but would also have its own effects on the market.
It should work its self out after a few weeks to months, but not before the more causal players can't afford to plex their accounts, and can't afford RL funds to keep their accounts up...
xoxo
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Rowells
Unknown Soldiers
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:42:00 -
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As I am aware, CCP does inject its own Plexes into market when they think the supply is too low. They understand the importance of this item and keep an eye on it. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:21:00 -
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King Rothgar wrote:Simply a matter of inflation tbh. The price of everything has gone up..
not true ... man 90% of market is going down only plex keep stedy up because of market speculations.
you can buy a moros for 2b now -_- |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:23:00 -
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Rowells wrote:As I am aware, CCP does inject its own Plexes into market when they think the supply is too low. They understand the importance of this item and keep an eye on it.
i don't think they do it any more  and i understand that more isk for plex = happy CCP because people like to get more isk for the plex they drop on the market ....
but there are peope that dry the market up to make isk on it, it's cool for me to do it on any other item but not this one.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:30:00 -
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HandelsPharmi wrote:3 Plex per account per 30 days? you are kidding me...
way? you don't need any more do you? ....
it can be per 25 day's whot ever.
it's not about controling the price, it's about baning the "i buy all stuff of the market" button : | |
Hairpins Blueprint
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Posted - 2014.04.03 21:49:00 -
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i still think this is a good idea. before when you clould by gtc on forum, it was not posible to manipulate plex price ... it woyld be to hard.
But now it's easy : | and plex is out side game item, way the same rules should apply to it if it's way difrent :<
eaven 5 plex per 25 day's per account whot ever just not 1000  |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
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Posted - 2014.04.03 23:02:00 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:it's not about controling the price, it's about baning the "i buy all stuff of the market" button : |
AKA banning market PvP. I'd say ESO is that way ---> but I kinda like the game. GB2WoW. 
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