Considering in game isk can be turned into plex\Aur etc which is worth RL cash and using plex u may "pay" sub and considering there is some RL cash value to isk in EVE you point is invalid.

The perpetrators coerced the victim into an out of game context, by means of his (or CCPs) ingame assets.
What happened in that out of game context, is potentially illegal.

I don't think CCP wants its services being used as a means for individuals to perpetrate crimes against other players.
Infact much of the EULA and CCP's informal policy, including some key elements of the CSM constitution notably, explicitly forbid people using ingame assets against the people who are playing the game.

You also do not own any assets IRL. Your government can take them away and kill you if you try to stop them.

Right so next your gonna have to extradite people from the various countries that they are in to appear in a court case over some teamspeak nonsense. Yea good luck with canada sending anyone down the the states for that. Your a moron.

When brought to their attention CCP can and will inform the police of potential situations. There has been a recent case of someone woken up in the middle of the night by police due to suicide claims related to EVE.

If the action was illegal then Sohkar could inform the police. If the action was against civil law then Sohkar could contact his lawyer and seek monetary damages. I doubt that either of these things are going to happen, but they could, and the nature of the situation may lead Sohkar to win.

CCP's only options are to ban or penalize Erotica1. The EULA is broad and vague so that CCP has power in this sort of situation.

What's sadder is all of the people focusing only on what Erotica did, and completely ignoring the real life threats and racism of the so called "victim". Even worse are the people who are equating Eroticas actions with violent sexual assault and real world crimes.

Yes what he does can be considered distasteful, I'm on record as saying that I also find them distasteful, but they are not equivalent to real world crimes.

So Erotica1 offered in game items for out of game services. You sing for me and you will get all of these items back. That is RMT, which CCP dislikes with a passion.

Just because something happens outside of CCPs servers doesn't mean that they should ignore it.

No. Neither are cigarettes in most of the world. If I offered you 100,000 isk for a pack of cigarettes it would still be a banable trade. Don't get hung up on the acronym, your literalism won't help you with CCP.

And what punishment should the caller get?

Let me see if I can construct an analogy that is reasonably relevant and accurate to this:

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You are in a casino.
You hold in your possession a stack of the casino's chips.
You are entitled to use these chips, though they nominally actually belong to the casino establishment.

In the course of your activities in the casino, you are approached by a shady individual offering to double your casino chips.
You are such an idiot, that you believe this claim, and hand over your chips to the guy.
He is now, legitimately, holding your chips. You gave them to him. Sucks to be you.

This part of the story ends there, and represents the initial ingame events.
So far, this is all kosher and legit. No problems.

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The next part represents what happens OUT of the game, and is far harder to model on the analogy, but Ill try:

The same guy you gave your chips to, who is now holding your chips in HIS pocket, now informs you that in order for the rest of the your doubling to occur, you have to follow him out of the casino establishment, and into a dark alley.

This presents a real problem for you.
He is now legitimately holding your chips. You gave them to him. They are in his pocket.
You have no direct recourse to re-aquiring the chips, except to comply and follow him down that dark alley.
The only way that you can get them back, or have even a hope of getting them back, is to do as he says.

At this point you can either decline, and lose everything, or comply, in the hope that atleast you can get back your own stack of chips and the earlier latent promise of him doubling them is still being offered as an incentive.

The casino, however, does not allow customers to take their chips outside of the establishment.
So the other man deposits your chips, out of his pocket, at the casino door.

You then both leave environment that is the casino, as an establishment with its own set rules of conduct and security on its premises.

You follow him until eventually you reach a dark alley.

There, other shady men appear, and together, they begin demanding that you perform humiliating and demeaning tasks if you ever want to see your chips again. This continues for a full 2hrs and, because your wife is worried where you got to, she finds you in the alley with these men, being demanded to perform these humiliating tasks for return of your chips.

The men also record the entire activity for purposes of sharing with their "friends", for enjoyment.

All of this happened outside the casino, and the chips are still back in the casino.
They are still OWNED by the casino. The casinos rules have not changed in the meantime.

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Now onto the part of what should happen now:

Now, it is informed to the casino staff that there is somebody going around on their business premises offering to double the chips of other clients, pocketing those chips from them, and then taking the victims down a dark alley for 2hrs of recorded humiliation and demeaning on the false promise of returning those chips to them (which dont actually belong to either of the participants).

I, as the casino manager, upon hearing this, immediately blackball and exclude the shady people from ever doing this to my customers again. I do it for the protection of my customers, for the protection of my chips and for the protection of the reputation of my establishment.

Anyways, was worth an attempt. Take from it what you will.

Lets look at the RMT clause of the EULA and find that lovely spot where services are allowed!



Oh wait, it never says services are allowed. You may be referring to a common practice of CCP allowing people to send isk to certain people for EVE related services. That is CCP choosing not to enforce their EULA in certain circumstances. So far they have not made a definitive ruling on humiliating singing being an acceptable service.

It does make it clear that you cannot offer to transfer in game items. But that is too broad! Well obviously CCP has written it broadly so that they can ban people when they want to. The whole question of banning comes down to whether CCP wants to ban, not whether they can find part of the EULA to ban them with.

For my part I will consider Erotica1 to be involved in offers (although probably not transfers) of in game items in trade for humiliating singing for his sick pleasure.

Singing on coms is part of EVE if the goal is an in game advantage (better fleets).
Chewing someone out on coms is part of EVE if the goal is an in game advantage (better fleets).
Humiliating someone on coms is part of EVE if the goal is an in game advantage (better fleets).

Once you have all the stuff, their API, and IP address you have everything from them. It's time to show some good sportsmanship and not try to prolong the humiliation and pain for your amusement. Play EVE the internet spaceships game, not Teamspeak the creepy humiliation game.

i think this thread is a great way to judge how many people would love themepark eve vs those of us that came explicitly not to be handheld.

Sorry, I am not playing your "I cannot see it game." I showed you the offer of in game items in return for services. If you childishly pretend to not see it then I am not going to continue to engage you.

Good humor although I don't think I like the creepy humiliation game in either format. I guess if you want that sort of thing you can always give money to Erotica1!

yeah things tend to get longer when i get excited.

The ultimate payout might be a roundhouse kick to the face from some random aggrieved loony at Fanfest.

As has enforced **** **** with a *****-****** wrapped in sandpaper

My theory is ero wants to give his victims something of that he gets in school everyday. Some kind of psychological stress compensation or a light form of asperger maybe.

Oh God, I'm about to defend Salvos Rhoska... THIS is how bad this is. Still, here goes.

Salvos did not say that he wanted someone to kick E1 in the face, just that he'd laugh and/or applaud 'if' someone did.

Not at all. I'm pretty sure all of the words I used were English and two syllables or less. I'd be happy to explain any that are beyond you.

I dont think even in your country people are arresting for laughing or applauding.

Singing contest?

I don't think your internet is working if what you got directed to was a singing contest because that sure isn't what I got out of it.

Mr Epeen

The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."

CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.

Laughing and applauding is outlawed in your country?

Thats fked up, dude.

In my experience, the people who don't get upset at a blatant display of hatred (like that guy's rascist name calling of someone who self identified as Afro-Canadian) tend to do so because they share a certain point of view with the speaker. Just saying.

If its someone who I know has spent 2hrs tormenting a victim and his wife to the point of breaking, for no other reason than to sadistically enjoy their suffering and to share their recording of it with "friends", yes, I will absolutely laugh and applaud.

YEah. Whats a British accent sound like?

Is it like an English Welsh Scots or Northern Irish one?

And which part of those places does it sound most like the accent of?

i lived on the south coast for 4 years if that counts?

Hey, not my fault you talk funny.

You are both southern compared to me lol

Im not one of you filthy Saxons. Or Normans. Take yer pick.

Whatever you say buddy.

By the way, when we connect to your J, if you haven't been evicted already, we will burn you out like cancer from it.

Did you really just write that stupidity? He meant his wormhole...don't be so sensitive. Aren't you a -10 pirate?