There is your justification. As I said in another thread, it takes no mental or semantic gymnastics to fit everything Erotica1 did in that box. There is nothing arbitrary or vague about a ban stemming from the behavior being discussed here.

Note, that none of what happens on TS3 is actually being "entered into the System", ie, the EVE Client or the EVE forums or anything related to EVE.

Word is CCP is actively investigating the incident.

Permabans for E1 and Co.

EULA:


Bolded for emphasis

A rule doesn't necessarily have to be broken. And PR media writing about CCP encouraging online bullying would certainly be harmful to CCP's reputation.

Edit: Mucked up quote tags.

I can see Erotica being banned

Erotica1 clearly targeted the guy and kept him coming back by constantly promising to give him his stuff back. He kept the guy online and baited him into the actions he took with the purpose of eliciting the frustrated and over the top rant. It was intentional.

He also violated wiretap statutes in nearly every state by recording the guy without consent. In many US states that is felony by the way. And engaging in criminal activity within the game is a bannable offense.

I applaud your effort to inject facts and reason into this thread.

The sheeple have their ears plugged and eyes covered and their minds are set. Their cries are being heard by some small news sources already. Now, Ero1 will be used as a scapegoat, and CCP will ban him with little to no actual investigation, and Ripard will sit back with a smug look of superiority upon his face knowing he has abused his power as a member of CSM. His blog will gain followers, Eve will gain subs due to the publicity, and the bar will be lowered. Soon, the trolls of GD will be banned for "harassment and torture" by saying "INB4 the lock", and anything in Local chats other than "gf" will lead to account suspensions. Gankers and scammers will be permabanned, arenas will be set up for "PvP", we will shave off the sharp corners, round the edges, and pad the hard areas, replace the sand with non-toxic biodegradable playground sand-like materials, and the pandaverse will be complete.

The NeX better start putting in pajamas and hot cocoa, because here comes the softer side of CCP, Pillow Fights Online.

I disagree - I can see him being banned. He has crossed a line and it is not going to be healthy for EVE's reputation.

EVE is known as a harsh game where you can be scammed and stolen from. This is as it should be. But the disgusting behavior from both sides of that recording went too far. I wouldn't be at all surprised if both Erotica1 and the contestant were banned.

GUYS! I HAVE THE MAYO PICTURE

So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game? Well I might have some incentive for you, I forwarded all these links and audio files to the ESRB for review of your Teen rating. Perhaps a Mature rating will be more suitable, though will no doubt limit your player base potential. CCP, get control of this.

The local chat in every trade hub system.....

This was a scam that turned into something that no one deserves to be subjected to. All the other sementics (he could walk away, etc.) is academic to me, erotica was wrong, his action repugnant by any standards (even the lose eve moral norm) and it should not be tolerated.

Why are you talking about scamming here?
Who gives a **** if somebody lost pixels.

This thing is about some psycho going way too ******* far and intentionally humiliating it's victim by using a leverage and false promises and then going public with it.

For those of you just joining us and are a little confused where this threadnaught came from, allow me to explain the cycle of arguments that have been repeating until now.

Erotica 1 is mean and should be permabanned.
Scamming people isn't against the game's rules.
We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours.
His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose.
But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.
He's forfeiting his space cash because he got scammed. Scamming people isn't against the game's rules.
We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours.
His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose.
But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.

As of this writing, the cyclical argument has entered its 206th iteration. So far, nobody seems to have caught on.

Erotica 1 is very obviously an accomplished voice actor, in addition to being a paedophile, rapist, torturer etc.

"Unless something is against the rules its okay" is such a shallow and dimwitted way of thinking about things.

Do you seriously need somebody to tell you what is okay and what isn't?

Now that I've sobered up I've realised how dumb this thread is & most of the people in it. Would anyone like to join Goonwaffe?

It isn't "ban players that I don't like".

It is "ban players whos only purpose is to glorify bullying others".

You can just walk away from verbal harrassment IRL.

Does that make it any less?

Google it and educate yourself pleb.

Keep saying it because that's all people are doing.

Torturing a person in TS is not a playstyle. Its just sick.

For those of you just joining us and are a little confused where this threadnaught came from, allow me to explain the cycle of arguments that have been repeating until now.

Erotica 1 is mean and should be permabanned.
Scamming people isn't against the game's rules.
We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours.
His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose.
But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.
He's forfeiting his space cash because he got scammed. Scamming people isn't against the game's rules.
We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours.
His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose.
But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.

As of this writing, the cyclical argument has entered its 206th iteration. So far, nobody seems to have caught on.

Really ppl are supporting this ? All the in game scamming, pvp and what ever is fine, using Eve to pull someone out of the game so you can bully them isn't.

Even id they avoided the EULA and such this reflectts poorly on the Eve community and saying he did nothing wrong in game so it's fine is laughable. They used Eve to put him in the situation.

Send this to all the gaming sites BBC etc and see what the general response is.

Its not about Eve its about being a decent human being.

Tal

A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****.

Lol of course not, however if your space pixels and space money mean nothing to you, just give away everything you have to the some random guy and start over again.

After, it just a bunch if pixels

but they are just space pixels so what is the big deal

The pixels aren't the issue numbnuts.

For those of you just joining us and are a little confused where this threadnaught came from, allow me to explain the cycle of arguments that have been repeating until now.

Erotica 1 is mean and should be permabanned.
Scamming people isn't against the game's rules.
We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours.
His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose.
But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.
He's forfeiting his space cash because he got scammed. Scamming people isn't against the game's rules.
We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours.
His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose.
But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.

As of this writing, the cyclical argument has entered its 206th iteration. So far, nobody seems to have caught on.

Like if you are a Vegan and you walk into a McDonalds, it's not their responsibility to stop serving beef, t;s your responsibility to leave because you don't like people serving you beef.

Tell me please, which specific competence do I need for mining veldspar?

Its not about the mark its about treating someone like that to get a laugh, you just can't justify it.

Nobody who takes this issue seriously should still be posting in this thread, it's all just feeding the trolls. Send your thoughts to the devs and be done with it.

As a general rule if an argument on the internet does not make any sense it is often not worth responding to it.

Ban him for what, exactly?

For those of you just joining us and are a little confused where this threadnaught came from, allow me to explain the cycle of arguments that have been repeating until now.

Erotica 1 is mean and should be permabanned.
Scamming people isn't against the game's rules.
We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours.
His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose.
But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.
He's forfeiting his space cash because he got scammed. Scamming people isn't against the game's rules.
We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours.
His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose.
But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.

As of this writing, the cyclical argument has entered its 206th iteration. So far, nobody seems to have caught on.

God, you are an incessant troll. I'm almost impressed only because I cannot figure out WHEN you sleep or work.

You read my first comment on this which laid out the reasons - i know you did, b/c you trolled then . I put my reasons there. If you need to see it again without scrolling all that way, go to my blog post. I copy/pasted my forum post there.

That's it for me. o/

Can anyone tell me what the problem is? Why are people so outraged and angry?

Erotica offered to quadruple his space-game monies if he gave her it all
Sokhar wanted to take the deal, gave her all his space-game monies
Erotica asked him to read articles and sing songs to get the payout
Sokhar played along for a while, then got sick and raged

To me, thats an utterly trivial string of events - it's nonsense, a wasted couple of hours, and a setback in a video game.

Why on gods green earth are people acting like Erotica bullied him, tortured him, broke in-game rules, broke real life laws, or anything else.

Please, I really would like an explanation - and not just a regurgitation of the sensationalist claptrap Ripard Teg spewed on his blog for page hits / to demonise a competing csm candidate.

I'll wait

To be honest, "I think it was mean" is a perfectly acceptable reason.

You know why? Well obviously not and if you haven't figured it out by now, you never will know.

Well first off;

The Definition of Bullying:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/bully?q=bullying#bully__7

Secondly, to point out where Erotica "bullied anyone" as you say it.... find the link to recording on Jesters Blog, I'm too disgusted in even posting the link!

I can't make it anymore black and white for you.

Show me someone who's kept up with this thread and I'll show you someone who hasn't slept in three days.

First, "it's not torture because he could leave at any time.' Despite several posts and references to case studies in which roughly 8 out of 10 people in similar situations could not bring themselves to walk away from a situation they knew to be untenable, you still insist on defending this position? (look up "Prior Investment Trap" or read Scott Plous - the Psychology of Judgment and Decision Making Investment Traps) Arguements that it wasn't turture because he wasn't hung from the ceiling or had fingers removed are equally ludicrous. The type or degree of torture does not define torture, merely its severity.

For those of you just joining us and are a little confused where this threadnaught came from, allow me to explain the cycle of arguments that have been repeating until now.

Erotica 1 is mean and should be permabanned.
Scamming people isn't against the game's rules.
We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours.
His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose.
But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.
He's forfeiting his space cash because he got scammed. Scamming people isn't against the game's rules.
We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours.
His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose.
But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.

As of this writing, the cyclical argument has entered its 206th iteration. So far, nobody seems to have caught on.

If the mark leaves, they forfeit hope and dignity.

They've already forfeited their space cash and assets within the first few minutes of The Bonus Room. The rest of the time in the bonus room is just Erotica 1 and his minions stripping the mark of dignity while leading them on with the promise of hope.

this thread is too addicting
i am forced to stay in it and not stop poasting
and ITT I have learned that that is literally torture, I can't press x and i'm forced to keep checking it!!
damn you riptard, damn you..

I am not mad. Just extremely disappointed in the supreme stupidity of yourself and the people that are blindly listening to you.

You can leave this thread at any time with no consequence to yourself.

You can block other posters so you never have to read their hurtful words.

If you are experiencing trauma as a result of reading this thread, you have only yourself to blame.

I hid his posts hours ago. :)

I feel that Cha'ka is being victimized here.

Can I please get a space lawyer or psychological specialist over here?

Man Down.

If anyone wants to help pod Erotica 1, get to Jita. We will be advertising the podding fleet in Jita local.

damn, you are one of the very few here who hits the essential point here amongst 400 different posters. (about 50 Erotica1 alts not included)