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Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1216	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:16:00 - [31] - Quote EVE is not meant to be realistic its mad max in space. NPC's are not the justice system. YOU, my dear capsuleer, are the justice system. True CONCORD will quickly deprive gankers of their ships and give them a slap on the wrist, but it is down to capsuleers to police other capsuleers. most importantly, protect urself at all times, and if a deal seems too good to be true, it probably is. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Victor Andall Complexes and Abaddons 304	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:22:00 - [32] - Quote Katkon Darnok wrote: Victor Andall wrote: Paying customers temporarily banned for playing the game. This thread is going places. Sure. You pay taxes in real life too, right? Yet you're not immune from jails and prison if you break the law. Difference is that in EVE you could use an alt (the temp ban is not on the account but the character) OR be broken out of prison by friends, if you have any. The point is CONSEQUENCES. Your analogy is flawed. I don't pay taxes for the privilege of living. But even without that fallacy, you talk about breaking the law. Well there you have it. Under New Eden Law, capsuleers don't go to jail if they shoot each other. No laws are broken. Besides real world laws. Is that the discussion we're having? I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information.
Xe'Cara'eos A Big Enough Lever 108	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:30:00 - [33] - Quote dude - you're immortal - even if he pods you - he's technically only vandalised your property - therefore a 'slap on the wrist' is all that's appropriate..... man up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q by CCP - I think it's appropriate..... For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it WILL be.

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1032	Posted - 2014.03.27 01:05:00 - [34] - Quote I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it. The rules: 11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited. The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Liese Shardani Hedion University Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:50:00 - [35] - Quote Claud Tiberius wrote: A jail system sounds awesome. Especially if each race has its own jail, and players can bust out their friends/other players while at the same time, battling off NPC guards. I love the idea of space jail. I don't think a person who's jailed would be in the same status as temp-banned -- that's more of an OOC player conduct thing. If your alt is in space-prison, s/he can still log in, but s/he can't buy stuff, fly around, make contracts, etc. Maybe you could chat in Local, wherever the jail is, but you'd have an icon to show that you're in jail? Or maybe there'd be restrictions on Local chat, as well. Having jail vary from region to region (and from high sec to low to null) would be interesting, and the idea of organized jail-breaks has a lot of potential, I think. I could see EVE News featuring sieges on jails to free prominent prisoners. I foresee much hilarity and would love to see this implemented.
Albrecht Patrouette Halaima Mining Consortium 1	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:53:00 - [36] - Quote Victor Andall wrote: Paying customers temporarily banned for playing the game. This thread is going places. As compared to paying customers who constantly lose ships, equipment, ISK, etc., due to being ganked over and over again?
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 366	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:01:00 - [37] - Quote Albrecht Patrouette wrote: Victor Andall wrote: Paying customers temporarily banned for playing the game. This thread is going places. As compared to paying customers who constantly lose ships, equipment, ISK, etc., due to being ganked over and over again? It kinda comes with the game. It's not like your paying real life money for the belongings in-game. Just the log in time to work for them.
Albrecht Patrouette Halaima Mining Consortium 1	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:07:00 - [38] - Quote Rowells wrote: Albrecht Patrouette wrote: Victor Andall wrote: Paying customers temporarily banned for playing the game. This thread is going places. As compared to paying customers who constantly lose ships, equipment, ISK, etc., due to being ganked over and over again? It kinda comes with the game. It's not like your paying real life money for the belongings in-game. Just the log in time to work for them. No? I --and others-- sure pay real life money to play. And if you buy PLEX and sell it to purchase items, then again they are being paid for with real-life money.
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 366	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:42:00 - [39] - Quote Albrecht Patrouette wrote: Rowells wrote: Albrecht Patrouette wrote: Victor Andall wrote: Paying customers temporarily banned for playing the game. This thread is going places. As compared to paying customers who constantly lose ships, equipment, ISK, etc., due to being ganked over and over again? It kinda comes with the game. It's not like your paying real life money for the belongings in-game. Just the log in time to work for them. No? I --and others-- sure pay real life money to play. And if you buy PLEX and sell it to purchase items, then again they are being paid for with real-life money. You are paying for gametime, be it in subscription form or a PLEX. What you do with it after that is only your own busines. You wanna risk your time by exchanging it for some quick cash and buying items which can be lost? cool. Wanna spemd your time making currency in order to buy more time from the previous guy who wants to sell it? good on you. You are paying for time in a universe in order to play a certain game, knowing that other people can interact with you whether it be positively or negatively. You are not paying real money for in-game items. Only exclusions may be special edition assets and vanity items. Which can still be earned by spending in game time wisely. And you may think that the way you play is the only one that matters, but there are other people who play their own way, even if it negatively affects you.
Anomaly One Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 125	Posted - 2014.03.30 10:08:00 - [40] - Quote thought about this idea before, it has merit how about instead of a jail, they are thrown into a random Wormhole with nothing but a basic ship/pod. Although the idea of busting people out of jail is very nice and would a lot of content. Mercs to bust you out etc. Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk

Arden Elenduil The League of Extraordinary Mentlegen 69	Posted - 2014.03.30 13:41:00 - [41] - Quote you are bad and you should feel bad. Eve has always been Everyone Vs Everyone. Part of its charm comes from the fact that nowhere is truly safe, even highsec. Highsec should never be 100% safe, and dumb pilots should definitely be "punished" for their stupidity
admiral root Red Galaxy Disband. 1058	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:26:00 - [42] - Quote If you want some kind of court system then it's only right that the Saviour of highsec adjudicate. In His infinite wisdom he could deputise his agents to hear cases and hand out appropriate punishments. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1229	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:28:00 - [43] - Quote Albrecht Patrouette wrote: No? I --and others-- sure pay real life money to play. And if you buy PLEX and sell it to purchase items, then again they are being paid for with real-life money. getting ganked does not stop u from playing...where are u trying to go with this? EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Liese Shardani Hedion University Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:30:00 - [44] - Quote admiral root wrote: If you want some kind of court system then it's only right that the Saviour of highsec adjudicate. In His infinite wisdom he could deputise his agents to hear cases and hand out appropriate punishments. Oh, gods. The one thing I wouldn't want is a court system where people talk and talk and talk and... I'd be like just kill me now.
admiral root Red Galaxy Disband. 1058	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:33:00 - [45] - Quote Liese Shardani wrote: admiral root wrote: If you want some kind of court system then it's only right that the Saviour of highsec adjudicate. In His infinite wisdom he could deputise his agents to hear cases and hand out appropriate punishments. Oh, gods. The one thing I wouldn't want is a court system where people talk and talk and talk and... I'd be like just kill me now. I don't think there'd be much talk. Mining without a permit? Guilty - sentenced to 30 days in jail, in the general population to force them to interact with other prisoners. :) No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
DJentropy Ovaert Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate 224	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:37:00 - [46] - Quote Albrecht Patrouette wrote: As compared to paying customers who constantly lose ships, equipment, ISK, etc., due to being ganked over and over again? Some of those paying customers end up learning how game mechanics work and actually outsmart their gankers, evade them, destroy them - and in the process story lines are created, friends are made and lost, enemies are made, internet spaceships explode, and for the select few who bother to take the time to understand the game - many laughs are had. Some of these customers simply cry and give up. This is a good thing. In the words of a well known Eve dev. HTFU. I like to expand on that with my version. HTFU or GTFO. Welcome to Eve Online. Enjoy the sandbox (but remember, it does have edges).
DJentropy Ovaert Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate 224	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:39:00 - [47] - Quote admiral root wrote: I don't think there'd be much talk. Mining without a permit? Guilty - sentenced to 30 days in jail, in the general population to force them to interact with other prisoners. :) I endorse this idea. Mining without a permit? 30 days in space jail. Bot aspirant behavior? 90 days in space jail. Insisting on playing EVE while AFK and then crying when things go poorly? 1 year in space jail.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1229	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:41:00 - [48] - Quote admiral root wrote: I don't think there'd be much talk. Mining without a permit? Guilty - sentenced to 30 days in jail, in the general population to force them to interact with other prisoners. :) rogue miners in the same jail as gankers, and they all have criminal status. instead of the incarna-brawling in stations, incarna-brawling in jail instead. oh the tears of joy. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
admiral root Red Galaxy Disband. 1060	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:44:00 - [49] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: rogue miners in the same jail as gankers, and they all have criminal status. LMFAO! I was thinking more along the lines of no jail time for gankers in the interests of justice. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Liese Shardani Hedion University Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:44:00 - [50] - Quote I'd be okay with, uhh, non-standard versions of the law being enforced in systems where the cough savior actually has sov. You run the place, you make the rules. I think some very amusing legal codes could be developed and enforced in Null. In high sec, that's CONCORD territory.

admiral root Red Galaxy Disband. 1060	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:45:00 - [51] - Quote Liese Shardani wrote: I'd be okay with, uhh, non-standard versions of the law being enforced in systems where the cough savior actually has sov. You run the place, you make the rules. I think some very amusing legal codes could be developed and enforced in Null. In high sec, that's CONCORD territory. Any system is yours if you can provide the firepower to back up your claim, regardless of sec status. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
DJentropy Ovaert Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate 224	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:50:00 - [52] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: rogue miners in the same jail as gankers, and they all have criminal status. instead of the incarna-brawling in stations, incarna-brawling in jail instead. oh the tears of joy. I MUST PLAY THIS GAME NOW. CCP - DO THIS. Just think about it.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1229	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:56:00 - [53] - Quote admiral root wrote: Any system is yours if you can provide the firepower to back up your claim, regardless of sec status. confirming, this is how ownership works in eve. DJentropy Ovaert wrote: CCP - DO THIS. Just think about it. either smackdown style or the batman arkham series will be just fine for me. with a slight preference to smackdown. theres just a feeling u get when u hit someone with a chair or slam them through a table. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
DJentropy Ovaert Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate 224	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:56:00 - [54] - Quote Liese Shardani wrote: I'd be okay with, uhh, non-standard versions of the law being enforced in systems where the cough savior actually has sov. You run the place, you make the rules. I think some very amusing legal codes could be developed and enforced in Null. In high sec, that's CONCORD territory. Funny. It seems that CONCORD must hate the AFK miner that can't be troubled to fit a tank - they just keep exploding, and the space place can't save them. It's almost like the developers of Eve have created a system to nudge players into learning that there is no such thing as "safety" when undocked, and that remaining at keyboard, selecting a ship and fitting that are a smart choice depending on the nature of their current operation and system security status. You can lead the carebear to water, you can ask him to drink, you can blow up the horse that he used to get to the water a dozen times, but sometimes you just can't make him drink.
DJentropy Ovaert Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate 225	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:58:00 - [55] - Quote admiral root wrote: Any system is yours if you can provide the firepower to back up your claim, regardless of sec status. Could not have said it better myself.
Silvetica Dian Manson Family Advent of Fate 887	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:33:00 - [56] - Quote Liese Shardani wrote: Claud Tiberius wrote: A jail system sounds awesome. Especially if each race has its own jail, and players can bust out their friends/other players while at the same time, battling off NPC guards. I love the idea of space jail. I don't think a person who's jailed would be in the same status as temp-banned -- that's more of an OOC player conduct thing. If your alt is in space-prison, s/he can still log in, but s/he can't buy stuff, fly around, make contracts, etc. Maybe you could chat in Local, wherever the jail is, but you'd have an icon to show that you're in jail? Or maybe there'd be restrictions on Local chat, as well. Having jail vary from region to region (and from high sec to low to null) would be interesting, and the idea of organized jail-breaks has a lot of potential, I think. I could see EVE News featuring sieges on jails to free prominent prisoners. I foresee much hilarity and would love to see this implemented. As James 315 is the elected ruler of highsec then any jail should be for non code compliant miners , people hauling too much isk value in t1 haulers and afk missioners. Also in the spirit of pay it forward it should also house people who make poor game breaking suggestions on the forums. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Mag's the united SCUM. 16975	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:53:00 - [57] - Quote Your idea boils down to this: *I don't like your play style, therefore you should get temporary bans when playing.* The answer will always be *No Thanks. Destination SkillQueue:-* It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Lephia DeGrande Luxembourg Space Union 309	Posted - 2014.03.30 20:45:00 - [58] - Quote Its a funny idea, but i cant think of a single solution how to implent such a feature in Eve in a meaningful way.
Liese Shardani Hedion University Amarr Empire 55	Posted - 2014.03.30 20:51:00 - [59] - Quote Lephia DeGrande wrote: Its a funny idea, but i cant think of a single solution how to implent such a feature in Eve in a meaningful way. Yeah, you'd need new prison structures, I'm guessing, and logic attached to the preexisting criminal system to sort out who goes where and when. And that's just for starters. I like the idea of there being more consequences for actions and also more opportunities for people to stir things up.


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