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Katkon Darnok Estel Arador Corp Services 2	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:01:00 - [1] - Quote I'll admit I'm new to EVE, relatively speaking. I'll also admit to generally enjoying the experience - though it comes and goes in waves. Possibly my least favorite aspects of the game include the anti-social feats of some gamers, such as ganking and scamming. I have been victim to many ganks, but have avoided all scams. I get that EVE is supposed to be a space simulation of sorts, and therefore "close" to what might happen in real life in most regards. But after a bit of thought, it strikes me that the consequences for bad and/or illegal behavior are not severe enough (e.g. losing an occasional ship and or a "wanted" flag and a bounty). So, I'm going to propose some mechanics I'd LOVE to see introduced the game to make it not only "more realistic" but also "more fun." These ideas may or may not be novel, and they're certainly not "complete" - so will freely admit they could/should be evolved. Idea 1: Criminals shot down/caught in hi-sec, and possibly low-sec, space should go to jail. Jail = a temp ban from playing that character. It COULD also result in that character being put into a physical jail somewhere in EVE. Idea 2: Characters in jail can be freed by either sitting out their term (could be hours/days) OR be broken out by friends. The severity of their crimes/criminal status will drive the difficulty of the prison break. Perhaps prisons for minor offences are located in null sec, and prisons for major offences/criminal ratings be located in hi-sec - and thus much harder to break. Idea 3: Introduce a player-run judicial system - i.e. courts. Officials could be rotated regularly, but basically voted into office from the broader player community. That may result in crooked judges etc. - but that's no different from real life. Would also need to institute a system to allow elected officials to (1) agree on guilty/not guilty verdict, and (2) punishment - which could be prison time and/or a fine. I would personally love to see SOMETHING like this. It would keep scammers/crooks on their toes, and make the game a heckuva lot more fun for the 1000s of victims/bystanders out there. Thoughts?
Victor Andall Complexes and Abaddons 303	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:04:00 - [2] - Quote Paying customers temporarily banned for playing the game. This thread is going places. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 809	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:04:00 - [3] - Quote As a new player, its worth having a look at some of the additionsl forum options too. This thread for example is better suited to the Features and Ideas Discusdion forum. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further.
Katkon Darnok Estel Arador Corp Services 2	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:08:00 - [4] - Quote Victor Andall wrote: Paying customers temporarily banned for playing the game. This thread is going places. Sure. You pay taxes in real life too, right? Yet you're not immune from jails and prison if you break the law. Difference is that in EVE you could use an alt (the temp ban is not on the account but the character) OR be broken out of prison by friends, if you have any. The point is CONSEQUENCES.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 4501	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:08:00 - [5] - Quote The idea has content potential. But that would bring the lawyer profession into the game. I think even lawyers play this game to escape the fact that they are lawyers. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 1193	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:09:00 - [6] - Quote We're capsulars and operate above the law, only concord can punish us, but thankfully they are not everywhere. Read the lore, before you trample on it. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
RomeStar Empire Investments Logistics 431	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:10:00 - [7] - Quote Katkon Darnok wrote: I'll admit I'm new to EVE, relatively speaking. You don't say...? Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
Katkon Darnok Estel Arador Corp Services 2	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:13:00 - [8] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: As a new player, its worth having a look at some of the additionsl forum options too. This thread for example is better suited to the Features and Ideas Discussion forum. My thoughts: i dont think being jailed just for playing the game is a good mechanic. It might work in monopoly, but thats not subscription based. There are already crime watch mechanics for dealing with issues thst make suspects, criminals and pirates attackable anywhere by anyone. That seems adequate to me. Penalties aren't severe enough to be a deterrent - that's the point. Plus, scammers and "internet bad guys" aren't flagged as criminals so there's no real way to identify/deal with them in the game today (e.g. scamming alts in Jita that never undock). Good suggestion on sticking into features - don't want to double post, but would welcome a mod moving the thread.
Doireen Kaundur 386	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:16:00 - [9] - Quote Well, if you think about it, you go to jail in MONOPOLY too temporarily. So it is a game feature. We have people lost in WH space asking for help. The other option is self destruct. This too can be an option for jailed capsuleers. Minimizing the cost of replacing implants.
Katkon Darnok Estel Arador Corp Services 5	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:18:00 - [10] - Quote Little Dragon Khamez wrote: We're capsulars and operate above the law, only concord can punish us, but thankfully they are not everywhere. Read the lore, before you trample on it. Why would CONCORD punish you if you're above the law? Isn't that a bit of any oxymoron? Clearly no-one is above the law - if they're flying in the wrong place at the wrong time, and have done something criminal. Points is really that existing punishments (e.g. being killed by CONCORD or other players) don't amount to much of a deterrent. Plus, wouldn't staging a prison break be fun??

Infinity Ziona Cloakers 1926	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:21:00 - [11] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: The idea has content potential. But that would bring the lawyer profession into the game. I think even lawyers play this game to escape the fact that they are lawyers. Though I don't support this idea because I don't think it would work in EvE there is a very interesting game my kid plays where players can be placed in jail and it does have a deterrent effect on the actions of players RDM'ing others. Its an interesting experiment on player policing. Don't remember the name of the game but you can be a drug dealer, hobo, police officer, gun dealer etc. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467
Doireen Kaundur 386	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:21:00 - [12] - Quote Katkon Darnok wrote: Plus, wouldn't staging a prison break be fun?? It would be something like rescuing the damsel in that mission. You have to blow up the facility to get the jailed pilot out. Yes, it would be fun. Minimizing the cost of replacing implants.
Issler Dainze Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 2440	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:22:00 - [13] - Quote I've always thought logging into an MMO and finding yourself in a jail cell would be an interesting experience! I vote that the first use of walking in stations is space prison!!! It could be a mini game where you figure out how to riot or break out! Gamble for space cigs, smuggle drugs in and trade for prison hootch!! Craft a prison shank and PvP in the exersise yard! It would be huge! Issler

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1030	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:46:00 - [14] - Quote Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 2593	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:51:00 - [15] - Quote ISD Ezwal wrote: Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. Why? It's an atroicious idea that some GD mouthbreather somehow thinks would be 'fun'. OP, tell us. How is being temp banned from the game in ANY WAY fun?
Katkon Darnok Estel Arador Corp Services 5	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:54:00 - [16] - Quote Doireen Kaundur wrote: Katkon Darnok wrote: Plus, wouldn't staging a prison break be fun?? It would be something like rescuing the damsel in that mission. You have to blow up the facility to get the jailed pilot out. Yes, it would be fun. Excellent point: the basic game infrastructure already exists for the most part in NPC-land, would simply need to expand to non-NPC-land.
Katkon Darnok Estel Arador Corp Services 5	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:59:00 - [17] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: ISD Ezwal wrote: Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. Why? It's an atroicious idea that some GD mouthbreather somehow thinks would be 'fun'. OP, tell us. How is being temp banned from the game in ANY WAY fun? 1. Creates a sense of excitement; a need to look over your shoulder if you're a criminal or running from the law 2. You get to stage a prison break with an alt and/or friends if imprisoned 3. Those NOT imprisoned but who "see" that a bad guy went to jail will celebrate privately and on the forums In fact, this isn't entirely unlike the joy that gankers, criminals and scammers experience when they do what they do. Except now the other party gets to share some of that joy. Oh, and the gankers, criminals and scammers get something out of it too - see 1 & 2 above. But, to be quite candid, I'm solving primarily for 3. And if you want to avoid prison altogether and you're a criminal, stick to lawless nullsec.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 5043	Posted - 2014.03.26 01:00:00 - [18] - Quote Please note the current system that is already in place for suicide ganking... Direct Penalties: - you lose your ship - you lose any insurance you have the ship - you lose Security Status - you gain a Suspect Flag for 10-15 minutes and can be shot at by anyone and everyone in the game without penalty - you gain a Criminal Flag for 15 minutes (see can't undock in high-sec in anything other than a pod without being CONCORDed again) Indirect Penalties: - if your Security Status goes low enough (see: below -5.0) then you can be shot by anyone, anywhere, at any time. - if your Security Status goes below certain levels then you will find yourself less and less able to enter higher security systems without the Faction Police attacking you (you can still avoid them in smaller ships though). - with lower Security Status you will be less and less able to get new supplies from high-sec trade hubs and/or must buy from low-sec stations at a premium and/or must rely on friends/alts to resupply you. - if you want to raise your Security Status you must either kill pirate NPCs for a godawful amount of time or spend a fair bit of cash to buy the security tags needed. Other Risks: - you botch the gank attempt and eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason. - the target may be tanked more than you think... resulting in a failed gank attempt where you eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason. - the target never shows and you have wasted time. - the loot that you are ganking for never drops... resulting in a failed gank where you eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason. - the gank is successful, the loot you want drops, but someone else picked it up before your friend/alt did... resulting in a failed gank where you eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason. - you don't have enough people to properly suicide gank. If anything... suicide ganking needs to be buffed... not penalized more. It's already hard enough. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 2594	Posted - 2014.03.26 01:02:00 - [19] - Quote There is no sense of excitement for a game ban. Only a sense of frustration and 'I am not going to resub.' Running a mission is likewise not exciting in any way. And carebears smacktalking while blundering around highsec without even taking a single basic precaution is a good thing because...? There's not even any reward for the bears, since they literally do not have to do ANYTHING. This just makes highsec safer, requires the use of alts for ganking, encourages character recycling and further dumbs down the game.
Katkon Darnok Estel Arador Corp Services 5	Posted - 2014.03.26 01:06:00 - [20] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Please note the current system that is already in place for suicide ganking... Direct Penalties: - you lose your ship - you lose any insurance you have the ship - you lose Security Status - you gain a Suspect Flag for 10-15 minutes and can be shot at by anyone and everyone in the game without penalty - you gain a Criminal Flag for 15 minutes (see can't undock in high-sec in anything other than a pod without being CONCORDed again) Indirect Penalties: - if your Security Status goes low enough (see: below -5.0) then you can be shot by anyone, anywhere, at any time. - if your Security Status goes below certain levels then you will find yourself less and less able to enter higher security systems without the Faction Police attacking you (you can still avoid them in smaller ships though). - with lower Security Status you will be less and less able to get new supplies from high-sec trade hubs and/or must buy from low-sec stations at a premium and/or must rely on friends/alts to resupply you. - if you want to raise your Security Status you must either kill pirate NPCs for a godawful amount of time or spend a fair bit of cash to buy the security tags needed. Other Risks: - you botch the gank attempt and eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason. - the target may be tanked more than you think... resulting in a failed gank attempt where you eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason. - the target never shows and you have wasted time. - the loot that you are ganking for never drops... resulting in a failed gank attempt where you eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason. - the gank is successful, the loot you want drops, but someone else picked it up before your friend/alt did... resulting in a failed gank where you eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason. - you don't have enough people to properly suicide gank. If anything... suicide ganking needs to be buffed... not penalized more. It's already hard enough. All valid, but hardly a deterrent to a seasoned and successful criminal. So they lose a ship once in a while. Big deal. And the real bad guys don't care too much about their security status and/or can take all sorts of actions to improve if need be. Also, I'm not just referring to ganking - though that's primarily all the game addresses today. Re: ganking, I'd say: continue to gank to your heart's content. For consequence-less ganks, you'd have to swim around in nullsec, which I acknowledge a lot of gankers aren't comfortable with (they might get ganked - and so have to take on risk themselves). If you gank in hi-sec you have to avoid getting caught or face the more meaningful consequences.

Katkon Darnok Estel Arador Corp Services 5	Posted - 2014.03.26 01:15:00 - [21] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: There is no sense of excitement for a game ban. Only a sense of frustration and 'I am not going to resub.' Running a mission is likewise not exciting in any way. And carebears smacktalking while blundering around highsec without even taking a single basic precaution is a good thing because...? There's not even any reward for the bears, since they literally do not have to do ANYTHING. This just makes highsec safer, requires the use of alts for ganking, encourages character recycling and further dumbs down the game. I disagree - hi-sec would be a bit safer, but you bears could still be ganked. To eliminate the threat completely CCP would need to add a mechanic that makes it impossible for PvP in hi-sec, and that's not what I'm suggesting. I am suggesting that the consequences of criminal activity in hi-sec become meaningful. So here's another suggestion: Caught criminals have 2 options: 1. Got to jail. 2. Bribe an official to avoid jail. Amount of the fine is based on a combination of (a) the severity of the offense/sec status, and (b) the player's/account's net worth -> not the character's. There you go - I just offered you a "get out of jail free card". Look, the point here is not that we need to solve for EXACTLY how this might work. It's about the spirit of the recommendation/suggestion: more and meaningful consequences for criminal actions that harm other players.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 5043	Posted - 2014.03.26 01:16:00 - [22] - Quote Katkon Darnok wrote: And the real bad guys don't care too much about their security status and/or can take all sorts of actions to improve if need be. And likewise... anyone in high-sec can do the same thing (i.e. "take all sorts of actions to improve" and protect themselves. Extra mechanics are not needed... people just have to be more proactive about protecting themselves rather than rely on convoluted game mechanics that do not add fun and promote equally convoluted "workarounds." I have been around for 5 years in this game. And every idea about this subject always argues "it's not enough!" without fail. High-sec is supposed to be "safer relative to other areas of the game" but never safe. And the people who actively put effort into their actions, be it good or evil, should not be penalized more because their victims don't want to spend the same amount of effort to counter it. So suck it up OP. If I need friends to gank, you should need friends to protect yourself. If I plan to gank you, you should plan to protect yourself. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 2594	Posted - 2014.03.26 01:20:00 - [23] - Quote Dude. I haven't lived in highsec for well over three years, I'm hardly that particular strain of bear. Hell, I'm arguing that there should be consequences for flying around with fifty billion ISK in a badger. Consequences you want to see removed. And that is not a get out of jail free card in any way. That is a 'Your market alt has five bil therefore you must pay more than the price of a PLEX to actually play the damn game you're paying for'. Why, exactly, should there be more consequences for ganking? You have not explained why the ones that Shah pointed out are insufficient. Nor have you explained why stupidity (For example, the fifty billion ISk badger I mentioned, or the ever popular dozen PLEX noobship, the twenty bil marauder, or the autopiloting freighter full of expensive toys) should NOT be punished.
Mike Voidstar Voidstar Free Flight Foundation 457	Posted - 2014.03.26 02:09:00 - [24] - Quote There is some logic to a form of incarceration. Griefers commonly lock less combat oriented players in stations for days on end. Something to enforce a criminals temporary removal from high-sec might be reasonable. The Idea of a penal system that must be escaped has some merit to me, but I like running PvE content. I cannot say the OP has zero logic... but as much as I'd like to consign every mouth breathing baby eater to null sec where they can enjoy a little non-consensual action themselves, I don't think it would happen. More feasibly, I would suggest the OP begin fundraising, find a reputable merc corp, and pay them to gank the everloving crap out of anyone they deem to be a criminal, because that's kind of how EVE works. Pay them to gank them every time they undock, or pay them to monitor local in any systems of interest to you to suicide them if they enter space within your domain. For added satisfaction Gank them yourself... It's not too difficult to pop most ships used for ganking with a few gank ships of your own, and one of the more frustrating aspects of ganking is that gank ships are generally pretty cheap.
Petrified Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance 78	Posted - 2014.03.26 02:34:00 - [25] - Quote Yeah, this won't really happen. Besides, what do you think alts are for?
Claud Tiberius Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF 24	Posted - 2014.03.26 03:45:00 - [26] - Quote A jail system sounds awesome. Especially if each race has its own jail, and players can bust out their friends/other players while at the same time, battling off NPC guards.
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1567	Posted - 2014.03.26 04:12:00 - [27] - Quote I'm all for a better justice system in new eden, but sorry, a temp ban is a terrible idea. If we have jails it should have options to have break out, or help others break out of jail with permanent security hits from CONCORD for doing so if you succeed. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Katkon Darnok The Scope Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2014.03.26 05:50:00 - [28] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: Dude. I haven't lived in highsec for well over three years, I'm hardly that particular strain of bear. Hell, I'm arguing that there should be consequences for flying around with fifty billion ISK in a badger. Consequences you want to see removed. And that is not a get out of jail free card in any way. That is a 'Your market alt has five bil therefore you must pay more than the price of a PLEX to actually play the damn game you're paying for'. Why, exactly, should there be more consequences for ganking? You have not explained why the ones that Shah pointed out are insufficient. Nor have you explained why stupidity (For example, the fifty billion ISk badger I mentioned, or the ever popular dozen PLEX noobship, the twenty bil marauder, or the autopiloting freighter full of expensive toys) should NOT be punished. How many times must I repeat myself? Once again, because the crime doesn't equal the punishment. And, I'm not referring solely to ganking. Look, I get it. You think it does. You believe that victims need be taught a lesson. Tough love will surely sort them out, and if doesn't, you'll be there to reap the rewards - right? I get it. But disagree wholeheartedly with that point of view. I want to make hi-sec less safe - for criminals. I want hi-sec to actually be hi-sec. But most of all, I want to watch criminals suffer for what they do to perfectly decent folks. Even the stupid and ignorant. And that includes imposing heavy fines and/or prison time on criminals, scammers and the like. Make these people suffer. And, hey, if it works - what happens then? I'll tell you: hi-sec will be safer and PvEers/bears will be happier, and PvPers will... well, continue to gank etc. each other - but focus on low and null-sec space. Unless of course you tell me that this won't happen - instead thousands of PvPers will unsubscribe in mass revolt as they're now unable to reap the easy kills and rewards that comes with ganking noobs and carebears in hi-sec space. But surely that's not how ganking PvPers get their kicks, right? Because that would just be downright pathetic, if true. :) Finally, assuming you disagree with pretty much everything I said above, let me ask you two questions in return. 1. Do you agree that EVE needs a tiered security system, including hi-sec? 2. If you answered yes to q1, why do you think the current one is not worth improving - or dare I say - perfect?
Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 2594	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:17:00 - [29] - Quote I'm going to go ahead and refer you to the rest of the 'highsec should be 100% safe!!11' threads rather than arguing against your often repeated points. They've been done to death. Also, highsec ganking is an entirety different form of PVP to low or nullsec roaming. Also, could you please explain why expecting people to take basic precautions with their multi billion ISK ships is a BAD thing? And yes, a lot of people WOULD unsub if you suddenly made a playstyle that has been a part of this game since day one completely untenable. As for your questions: Yes, I think there should be tiered space. And no, I don't think the system is perfect. I think there should be a mid-sec type, comprising 0.5 and 0.4, where you get the faction navy instead of CONCORD. Highsec should be LESS safe, not more. The risk -> reward balance is already skewed way too far in highsec's favour.
Swiftstrike1 Swiftstrike Incorporated 551	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:41:00 - [30] - Quote Katkon Darnok wrote: I'll admit I'm new to EVE, relatively speaking Your monocle tells me that you have more money than sense. If you fly around with cargo worth several months of game time then you deserve to get robbed. When it comes to your personal safety in New Eden: Nullsec is like a war torn African country, Lowsec is pretty much the ghetto, and Hisec is that dangerous back alley you walk down on the way home where people do drugs and the street lights are out. YOU ARE NEVER SAFE IN EVE. Fleet Bookmarks New Gravimetric Sites Med Clones 2.0

Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1216	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:16:00 - [31] - Quote EVE is not meant to be realistic its mad max in space. NPC's are not the justice system. YOU, my dear capsuleer, are the justice system. True CONCORD will quickly deprive gankers of their ships and give them a slap on the wrist, but it is down to capsuleers to police other capsuleers. most importantly, protect urself at all times, and if a deal seems too good to be true, it probably is. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Victor Andall Complexes and Abaddons 304	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:22:00 - [32] - Quote Katkon Darnok wrote: Victor Andall wrote: Paying customers temporarily banned for playing the game. This thread is going places. Sure. You pay taxes in real life too, right? Yet you're not immune from jails and prison if you break the law. Difference is that in EVE you could use an alt (the temp ban is not on the account but the character) OR be broken out of prison by friends, if you have any. The point is CONSEQUENCES. Your analogy is flawed. I don't pay taxes for the privilege of living. But even without that fallacy, you talk about breaking the law. Well there you have it. Under New Eden Law, capsuleers don't go to jail if they shoot each other. No laws are broken. Besides real world laws. Is that the discussion we're having? I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information.
Xe'Cara'eos A Big Enough Lever 108	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:30:00 - [33] - Quote dude - you're immortal - even if he pods you - he's technically only vandalised your property - therefore a 'slap on the wrist' is all that's appropriate..... man up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q by CCP - I think it's appropriate..... For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it WILL be.

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1032	Posted - 2014.03.27 01:05:00 - [34] - Quote I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it. The rules: 11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited. The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Liese Shardani Hedion University Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:50:00 - [35] - Quote Claud Tiberius wrote: A jail system sounds awesome. Especially if each race has its own jail, and players can bust out their friends/other players while at the same time, battling off NPC guards. I love the idea of space jail. I don't think a person who's jailed would be in the same status as temp-banned -- that's more of an OOC player conduct thing. If your alt is in space-prison, s/he can still log in, but s/he can't buy stuff, fly around, make contracts, etc. Maybe you could chat in Local, wherever the jail is, but you'd have an icon to show that you're in jail? Or maybe there'd be restrictions on Local chat, as well. Having jail vary from region to region (and from high sec to low to null) would be interesting, and the idea of organized jail-breaks has a lot of potential, I think. I could see EVE News featuring sieges on jails to free prominent prisoners. I foresee much hilarity and would love to see this implemented.
Albrecht Patrouette Halaima Mining Consortium 1	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:53:00 - [36] - Quote Victor Andall wrote: Paying customers temporarily banned for playing the game. This thread is going places. As compared to paying customers who constantly lose ships, equipment, ISK, etc., due to being ganked over and over again?
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 366	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:01:00 - [37] - Quote Albrecht Patrouette wrote: Victor Andall wrote: Paying customers temporarily banned for playing the game. This thread is going places. As compared to paying customers who constantly lose ships, equipment, ISK, etc., due to being ganked over and over again? It kinda comes with the game. It's not like your paying real life money for the belongings in-game. Just the log in time to work for them.
Albrecht Patrouette Halaima Mining Consortium 1	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:07:00 - [38] - Quote Rowells wrote: Albrecht Patrouette wrote: Victor Andall wrote: Paying customers temporarily banned for playing the game. This thread is going places. As compared to paying customers who constantly lose ships, equipment, ISK, etc., due to being ganked over and over again? It kinda comes with the game. It's not like your paying real life money for the belongings in-game. Just the log in time to work for them. No? I --and others-- sure pay real life money to play. And if you buy PLEX and sell it to purchase items, then again they are being paid for with real-life money.
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 366	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:42:00 - [39] - Quote Albrecht Patrouette wrote: Rowells wrote: Albrecht Patrouette wrote: Victor Andall wrote: Paying customers temporarily banned for playing the game. This thread is going places. As compared to paying customers who constantly lose ships, equipment, ISK, etc., due to being ganked over and over again? It kinda comes with the game. It's not like your paying real life money for the belongings in-game. Just the log in time to work for them. No? I --and others-- sure pay real life money to play. And if you buy PLEX and sell it to purchase items, then again they are being paid for with real-life money. You are paying for gametime, be it in subscription form or a PLEX. What you do with it after that is only your own busines. You wanna risk your time by exchanging it for some quick cash and buying items which can be lost? cool. Wanna spemd your time making currency in order to buy more time from the previous guy who wants to sell it? good on you. You are paying for time in a universe in order to play a certain game, knowing that other people can interact with you whether it be positively or negatively. You are not paying real money for in-game items. Only exclusions may be special edition assets and vanity items. Which can still be earned by spending in game time wisely. And you may think that the way you play is the only one that matters, but there are other people who play their own way, even if it negatively affects you.
Anomaly One Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 125	Posted - 2014.03.30 10:08:00 - [40] - Quote thought about this idea before, it has merit how about instead of a jail, they are thrown into a random Wormhole with nothing but a basic ship/pod. Although the idea of busting people out of jail is very nice and would a lot of content. Mercs to bust you out etc. Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk

Arden Elenduil The League of Extraordinary Mentlegen 69	Posted - 2014.03.30 13:41:00 - [41] - Quote you are bad and you should feel bad. Eve has always been Everyone Vs Everyone. Part of its charm comes from the fact that nowhere is truly safe, even highsec. Highsec should never be 100% safe, and dumb pilots should definitely be "punished" for their stupidity
admiral root Red Galaxy Disband. 1058	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:26:00 - [42] - Quote If you want some kind of court system then it's only right that the Saviour of highsec adjudicate. In His infinite wisdom he could deputise his agents to hear cases and hand out appropriate punishments. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1229	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:28:00 - [43] - Quote Albrecht Patrouette wrote: No? I --and others-- sure pay real life money to play. And if you buy PLEX and sell it to purchase items, then again they are being paid for with real-life money. getting ganked does not stop u from playing...where are u trying to go with this? EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Liese Shardani Hedion University Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:30:00 - [44] - Quote admiral root wrote: If you want some kind of court system then it's only right that the Saviour of highsec adjudicate. In His infinite wisdom he could deputise his agents to hear cases and hand out appropriate punishments. Oh, gods. The one thing I wouldn't want is a court system where people talk and talk and talk and... I'd be like just kill me now.
admiral root Red Galaxy Disband. 1058	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:33:00 - [45] - Quote Liese Shardani wrote: admiral root wrote: If you want some kind of court system then it's only right that the Saviour of highsec adjudicate. In His infinite wisdom he could deputise his agents to hear cases and hand out appropriate punishments. Oh, gods. The one thing I wouldn't want is a court system where people talk and talk and talk and... I'd be like just kill me now. I don't think there'd be much talk. Mining without a permit? Guilty - sentenced to 30 days in jail, in the general population to force them to interact with other prisoners. :) No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
DJentropy Ovaert Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate 224	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:37:00 - [46] - Quote Albrecht Patrouette wrote: As compared to paying customers who constantly lose ships, equipment, ISK, etc., due to being ganked over and over again? Some of those paying customers end up learning how game mechanics work and actually outsmart their gankers, evade them, destroy them - and in the process story lines are created, friends are made and lost, enemies are made, internet spaceships explode, and for the select few who bother to take the time to understand the game - many laughs are had. Some of these customers simply cry and give up. This is a good thing. In the words of a well known Eve dev. HTFU. I like to expand on that with my version. HTFU or GTFO. Welcome to Eve Online. Enjoy the sandbox (but remember, it does have edges).
DJentropy Ovaert Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate 224	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:39:00 - [47] - Quote admiral root wrote: I don't think there'd be much talk. Mining without a permit? Guilty - sentenced to 30 days in jail, in the general population to force them to interact with other prisoners. :) I endorse this idea. Mining without a permit? 30 days in space jail. Bot aspirant behavior? 90 days in space jail. Insisting on playing EVE while AFK and then crying when things go poorly? 1 year in space jail.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1229	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:41:00 - [48] - Quote admiral root wrote: I don't think there'd be much talk. Mining without a permit? Guilty - sentenced to 30 days in jail, in the general population to force them to interact with other prisoners. :) rogue miners in the same jail as gankers, and they all have criminal status. instead of the incarna-brawling in stations, incarna-brawling in jail instead. oh the tears of joy. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
admiral root Red Galaxy Disband. 1060	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:44:00 - [49] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: rogue miners in the same jail as gankers, and they all have criminal status. LMFAO! I was thinking more along the lines of no jail time for gankers in the interests of justice. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Liese Shardani Hedion University Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:44:00 - [50] - Quote I'd be okay with, uhh, non-standard versions of the law being enforced in systems where the cough savior actually has sov. You run the place, you make the rules. I think some very amusing legal codes could be developed and enforced in Null. In high sec, that's CONCORD territory.

admiral root Red Galaxy Disband. 1060	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:45:00 - [51] - Quote Liese Shardani wrote: I'd be okay with, uhh, non-standard versions of the law being enforced in systems where the cough savior actually has sov. You run the place, you make the rules. I think some very amusing legal codes could be developed and enforced in Null. In high sec, that's CONCORD territory. Any system is yours if you can provide the firepower to back up your claim, regardless of sec status. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
DJentropy Ovaert Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate 224	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:50:00 - [52] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: rogue miners in the same jail as gankers, and they all have criminal status. instead of the incarna-brawling in stations, incarna-brawling in jail instead. oh the tears of joy. I MUST PLAY THIS GAME NOW. CCP - DO THIS. Just think about it.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1229	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:56:00 - [53] - Quote admiral root wrote: Any system is yours if you can provide the firepower to back up your claim, regardless of sec status. confirming, this is how ownership works in eve. DJentropy Ovaert wrote: CCP - DO THIS. Just think about it. either smackdown style or the batman arkham series will be just fine for me. with a slight preference to smackdown. theres just a feeling u get when u hit someone with a chair or slam them through a table. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
DJentropy Ovaert Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate 224	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:56:00 - [54] - Quote Liese Shardani wrote: I'd be okay with, uhh, non-standard versions of the law being enforced in systems where the cough savior actually has sov. You run the place, you make the rules. I think some very amusing legal codes could be developed and enforced in Null. In high sec, that's CONCORD territory. Funny. It seems that CONCORD must hate the AFK miner that can't be troubled to fit a tank - they just keep exploding, and the space place can't save them. It's almost like the developers of Eve have created a system to nudge players into learning that there is no such thing as "safety" when undocked, and that remaining at keyboard, selecting a ship and fitting that are a smart choice depending on the nature of their current operation and system security status. You can lead the carebear to water, you can ask him to drink, you can blow up the horse that he used to get to the water a dozen times, but sometimes you just can't make him drink.
DJentropy Ovaert Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate 225	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:58:00 - [55] - Quote admiral root wrote: Any system is yours if you can provide the firepower to back up your claim, regardless of sec status. Could not have said it better myself.
Silvetica Dian Manson Family Advent of Fate 887	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:33:00 - [56] - Quote Liese Shardani wrote: Claud Tiberius wrote: A jail system sounds awesome. Especially if each race has its own jail, and players can bust out their friends/other players while at the same time, battling off NPC guards. I love the idea of space jail. I don't think a person who's jailed would be in the same status as temp-banned -- that's more of an OOC player conduct thing. If your alt is in space-prison, s/he can still log in, but s/he can't buy stuff, fly around, make contracts, etc. Maybe you could chat in Local, wherever the jail is, but you'd have an icon to show that you're in jail? Or maybe there'd be restrictions on Local chat, as well. Having jail vary from region to region (and from high sec to low to null) would be interesting, and the idea of organized jail-breaks has a lot of potential, I think. I could see EVE News featuring sieges on jails to free prominent prisoners. I foresee much hilarity and would love to see this implemented. As James 315 is the elected ruler of highsec then any jail should be for non code compliant miners , people hauling too much isk value in t1 haulers and afk missioners. Also in the spirit of pay it forward it should also house people who make poor game breaking suggestions on the forums. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Mag's the united SCUM. 16975	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:53:00 - [57] - Quote Your idea boils down to this: *I don't like your play style, therefore you should get temporary bans when playing.* The answer will always be *No Thanks. Destination SkillQueue:-* It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Lephia DeGrande Luxembourg Space Union 309	Posted - 2014.03.30 20:45:00 - [58] - Quote Its a funny idea, but i cant think of a single solution how to implent such a feature in Eve in a meaningful way.
Liese Shardani Hedion University Amarr Empire 55	Posted - 2014.03.30 20:51:00 - [59] - Quote Lephia DeGrande wrote: Its a funny idea, but i cant think of a single solution how to implent such a feature in Eve in a meaningful way. Yeah, you'd need new prison structures, I'm guessing, and logic attached to the preexisting criminal system to sort out who goes where and when. And that's just for starters. I like the idea of there being more consequences for actions and also more opportunities for people to stir things up.


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