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Xander Delacroix
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:19:00 -
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mynnna wrote:I'm sure the irony of someone calling for a CSM member to be removed as a result of remarks made on an out of game platform, about a person that engages in behavior many distasteful at best via an out of game platform, is lost on not only the OP but most of the posters in this thread.
This. SO SO much this. |

Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
41
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:19:00 -
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Its not so much that he 'has a problem' with Erotica 1.
A) It is the irresponsible way in which he expressed it using highly personal nature of the attacks on Erotica 1's very humanity. Essentially reducing another EVE player - not the toon, but the actual person to a 'vile, evil, dispicable torturer' is, ahem, quite vile.
And, ultimately, I personally wouldn't have a problem with that. People can blog about anything they want, and I can choose not to read it.
Except that leads us to B.
B) Ripard Teg isn't just any old EVE player with a blog that nobody reads. He's a CSM member, representing CCP - which drives quite a bit of traffic to his blog and gives him an outsized 'megaphone'. When he (ab)uses it to attack other players in such terms, by name - I have a problem with it.
Sanctions on Ripard are in order - no matter which side of the 'bonus room' you are on.
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4556
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:21:00 -
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The only question I have is the timing. Is this to get me to drop out of CSM running? Sohkar is old news. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1163
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:23:00 -
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It is the most ******** thing in the world to eject an elected representative for voicing their opinion. They were elected precisely for that purpose.
Don't like their opinion? Vote them out. This thread is beyond moronic. |

Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
236
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:23:00 -
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His blog is justified.
Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
868
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:23:00 -
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Terrible idea.
Whilst I don't like or listen to the bonus room, I am still mildly supportive of erotica 1 running the bonus room so long as they stay entirely clear of identifying individuals. It is after all the scam evolved and nothing more.
I'm not at all supportive of unseating Teg just because I don't agree with him.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4326
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:25:00 -
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Stupid thread. Wrong forum.
'nuff said.
Mr Epeen  There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
41
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:27:00 -
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mynnna wrote:I'm sure the irony of someone calling for a CSM member to be removed as a result of remarks made on an out of game platform, about a person that engages in behavior many distasteful at best via an out of game platform, is lost on not only the OP but most of the posters in this thread.
I know, as a goon, you aren't a big fan of Erotica 1.
But Erotica 1 is not a member of the CSM and does not represent CCP - or the playerbase - in the slightest.
Ripard Teg is - and just because he uses his own blog to communicate with the larger EVE playerbase, doesn't mean he can write anything he likes in it. Break the NDA, CCP will react quickly, after all. Say something that sounds vaguely white supremacist or suggests illegal 'haxor' type activity - see how long you last as a CSM member.....
Point is, players acting in such a capacity (again 'outsized megaphone') need to consider how their words will effect the Eve Community as a whole - and 'popping off' like Ripard did does not, in my opinion, reflect well on CCP. |

Shizuken
Venerated Stars
232
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:33:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Shizuken wrote: Ripard is right to call him out for that BS. And if he's going to open Pandora's Box on whether you can have someone who did not break the rules banned because you don't like them... then I feel fully justified in asking that he be removed for his disrespectful statements regarding real world torture. Losing your pixels and getting laughed at is not torture. To say so cheapens real victims and real suffering. It's reprehensible.
Selected excerpts from the Suspension and Ban Policy:
Quote:
Though we have made every effort to anticipate all the possible circumstances we may encounter as caretakers of the persistent world of EVE Online, there issues may arise that we had not foreseen.
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Therefore, this document should not been seen as all-inclusive, but rather to give our players a general idea of the guidelines we follow in dealing with these or similar cases.
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3. HARASSMENT - Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:
a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative. b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others.
I takes no mental or semantic gymnastics to put everything Erotica1 did right inside that box.
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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
909
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:37:00 -
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Ban Ripard! Ban Erotica! Ban Sokhar! Shoot the monument! Lock all the threads! Burn everything! Grrrrrrr |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3547
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:39:00 -
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mynnna wrote:I'm sure the irony of someone calling for a CSM member to be removed as a result of remarks made on an out of game platform, about a person that engages in behavior many distasteful at best via an out of game platform, is lost on not only the OP but most of the posters in this thread.
That's basically the point, yeah.
It was Malcanis' point in the threadnaught, also. If we can ban for "distasteful", then we've opened the floodgates.
I don't participate in or particularly condone the "Bonus Room" activity. But I do think "I don't like them" is not really ok as a reason to ban somebody. Certainly not for a sitting CSM member. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
44
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:39:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:The only question I have is the timing. Is this to get me to drop out of CSM running? Sohkar is old news.
*edit* I have heard rumours that Riptard presented something to the CSM and/or CCP and did not like the answer so he decided to manufacturer a media shitstorm to try and make CCP look bad or something. Is there any truth to this?
Wouldn't surprise me, but nobody here can likely answer that question.
I'm not sure how 'upset' CCP is about the 'shitstorm' though. Notice this quote on some of those locked threads?
Quote:This is a situation that we've been monitoring for some time now, and recent events have sparked renewed discussion with regards to what, if anything will be done in regards to what's happened.
Thanks. CCP Falcon
Sounds like laying the groundwork for arbitrary enforcement using arbitrary justifications. 'Ex post facto' is par for the course in this area of the game. |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2369
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:43:00 -
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Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:Its not so much that he 'has a problem' with Erotica 1.
A) It is the irresponsible way in which he expressed it using highly personal nature of the attacks on Erotica 1's very humanity. Essentially reducing another EVE player - not the toon, but the actual person to a 'vile, evil, dispicable torturer' is, ahem, quite vile.
And, ultimately, I personally wouldn't have a problem with that. People can blog about anything they want, and I can choose not to read it.
Except that leads us to B.
B) Ripard Teg isn't just any old EVE player with a blog that nobody reads. He's a CSM member, representing CCP - which drives quite a bit of traffic to his blog and gives him an outsized 'megaphone'. When he (ab)uses it to attack other players in such terms, by name - I have a problem with it.
Sanctions on Ripard are in order - no matter which side of the 'bonus room' you are on.
Agreed with this, but I'd draw the line at censure.
Ripard is NOT responsible for the RL threats that have happened. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2928

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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:44:00 -
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Quote:16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread. Thread closed. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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