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Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:40:00 -
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TLDR; Ripard Teg's highly public, inflammatory attack blog-post on Erotica 1 is highly inappropriate behavior for anyone privileged enough to represent both CCP and the EVE playerbase on the CSM. The CSM should not be a platform from which to launch personal attacks on fellow members of the EVE Community he supposedly represents. His actions reflect poorly on CCP and he should be removed from the CSM immediately.
While the CSM is ostensibly an elected body that was created to represent the EVE playerbase, CCP also considers CSM members to be representing CCP.
If a CSM member conducts himself in a way that embarrasses CCP, they reserve the right to remove them from their elected position (ie. The Mittani) - or prevent them from participating in the election entirely. (Fon Revedhort, Xenuria)
Quote from CCP Dolan on removal of a candidate from CSM 8 ballot:
Quote:While he is entitled to his personal opinions, CCP cannot allow someone with the views he has continued to express to represent the EVE player base, and CCP, as a member of the CSM.
Ripard Teg recently abused his enhanced visibility as a current CSM member (and CCP representative) to launch a vicious public attack on a fellow member of the EVE Community, Erotica 1.
These attacks were both highly personal and made without regard for its destructive and polarizing effect on the Eve Community as a whole. As a direct result of his irresponsible blogging activity, personal threats have been directed at Erotica 1. Why? Here is a hint: check out the targeted language of demonization that Ripard liberally employs:
Ripard starting off classy
Quote:I'm not usually the type to call out individual EVE players on this blog. This time I'm going to. Erotica 1 is an EVE player. He is also a despicable, vile, evil human being.
Ripard claiming Erotica 1 has no conscience, lacks compassion, and is a torturer
Quote:At this point, any human being with any conscience at all... anyone with even the smallest drop of human mercy in them would put a stop to the proceedings.
Erotica 1 and his fellow torturers do not.
Ripard further personal attacks on Erotica 1
Quote:I suppose that allows this vile human being to look at himself in a mirror. More likely, he sleeps like a baby. I assure you, Dear Reader, that there is evil in this world.
More demonization and incitement.
Quote:So, how does CCP respond to this vile human being? I can tell you that if I were in the position to make a decision about this person, I would seize his assets, permanently ban his accounts, and I would then go to work on his buddies with asset seizures, negative ISK balances, and temporary bans. I personally believe there is absolutely no place in EVE Online for this level of depravity and evil. To date, CCP has chosen not to do that.
Really, is it any suprise that Erotica 1 is getting threats? After all, who wouldn't threaten a 'Vile, Evil, Compassionless torturer', when a CCP/EVE Community rep heavily implies action should be taken?
Erotica 1, I am sure, is taking it with aplomb. It does not change the undeniable fact that Ripard Teg flagrantly abused the visibility of his position on the CSM to attack a fellow EVE player. Thus, that privilege needs to be revoked at the earliest opportunity and an apology should be rendered.
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:41:00 -
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In before the lock, there's also a duplicate post right next to this one ffs. |

Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:41:00 -
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There was a thread just like this with almost the same exact thread name that got locked. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager |

Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:42:00 -
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I support this movement |

Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:42:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:In before the lock, there's also a duplicate post right next to this one ffs.
I was writing the OP before it was even posted.
Either way, the other thread deals entirely with the appropriateness of Erotica 1's content creation.
THIS is dealing with Ripard Teg's vile actions and whether or not he should remain as a CSM Rep.
Different topic, different thread. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:43:00 -
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IB4L
Another silly thread. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |

Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
540
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:43:00 -
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Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:In before the lock, there's also a duplicate post right next to this one ffs. I was writing the OP before it was even posted. Either way, the other thread deals entirely with the appropriateness of Erotica 1's content creation. THIS is dealing with Ripard Teg's vile actions and whether or not he should remain as a CSM Rep. Different topic, different thread.
Both come to the conclusion that Ripard Teg should be removed, sounds like the same topic and thread to me.
Also if you really want your voice to be heard then post in the right forum. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:44:00 -
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IBTL
I hear a falcon getting ready to swoop down on this.... aagh Bring back DEEEEP Space! |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:44:00 -
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Ripard was IMO out of line, not sure if he was far enough out of line to be booted from the CSM.
I'm less likely to vote for him now though (wouldn't have anyway but I'm certain now). But he's not responsible for the threats that have been made after his post.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Volar Kang
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:46:00 -
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And here come the Erotica alts doing damage control. |

Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:47:00 -
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Apparently a serious discussion about whether or not Ripard Teg should remain as a representative OF a community, when he feels it is perfectly acceptable to launch personal attacks on individual members of that community - is now Trolling.
Yet a 100 page threadnaught attacking Erotica 1 is 'game on' for CCP Falcon.
Good to see the spirit of fair play is alive and well in the Dev Corps. |

Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:48:00 -
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Ripard should be removed, and Erotica 1 should get his seat on council! |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:49:00 -
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Inb4 Ripard wears wizard hat and drunkenly tells Eve citizens to grief Erotica 1 during Fanfest.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:50:00 -
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Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:Apparently a serious discussion about whether or not Ripard Teg should remain as a representative OF a community, when he feels it is perfectly acceptable to launch personal attacks on individual members of that community - is now Trolling.
Yet a 100 page threadnaught attacking Erotica 1 is 'game on' for CCP Falcon.
Good to see the spirit of fair play is alive and well in the Dev Corps.
I wasn't trolling, by the way.
If a standing CSM member can suggest that someone be banned because he personally finds them distasteful, then I would like to call him to task for his statements demeaning real life victims and real suffering by equating "griefing" in a videogame to torture.
Which he did repeatedly. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Morihei Akachi
Nishida Corporation
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:56:00 -
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I support TegGÇÖs opinion, and feel myself better represented on the CSM with him on it. |

KnowUsByTheDead
Old Seers Of Arbitrary Stimulation
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:56:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Inb4 Ripard wears wizard hat and drunkenly tells Eve citizens to grief Erotica 1 during Fanfest.
INB4 Erotica talks Riptard out of said wizard hat, with his torture and ****-like maneuvering.
 Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |

Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:00:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:Apparently a serious discussion about whether or not Ripard Teg should remain as a representative OF a community, when he feels it is perfectly acceptable to launch personal attacks on individual members of that community - is now Trolling.
Yet a 100 page threadnaught attacking Erotica 1 is 'game on' for CCP Falcon.
Good to see the spirit of fair play is alive and well in the Dev Corps. I wasn't trolling, by the way. If a standing CSM member can suggest that someone be banned because he personally finds them distasteful, then I would like to call him to task for his statements demeaning real life victims and real suffering by equating "griefing" in a videogame to torture. Which he did repeatedly.
Hey, great minds think alike. Took me a bit to edit the OP and find the appropriate quotes - in the process didn't even know another thread on an identical topic. I didn't say you were trolling - Falcon did when he locked your thread.
I certainly agree that Ripard Teg went way over the line on this one.
Calling for his removal doesn't belong in the 'threadnaught' because that thread was primarily directed at what people think of Erotica 1 and whether or not 'the bonus room' goes too far.
THIS is a thread that seriously investigates whether or not Ripard Teg should remain as a CSM rep after conducting himself in a highly inappropriate way. And further, does CCP want to be represented by this type of loose cannon 'calling out' of fellow EVE players?
I personally think an apology should be tendered to Erotica 1 from Ripard - at a minimum. However removal from the CSM AND an apology should not be ruled out. |

Shizuken
Venerated Stars
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:02:00 -
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Sorry dude, but even elected representatives can call out reprehensible behavior when they see it. By any reasonable reading of the rules Erotica1 crossed the line. There was nothing emergent or even "questionable" about what they did to that guy. It was pure narcissistic sociopathy. They kept promising the return of his stuff if he just kept up with it just to make him more desperate and more angry, that is griefing, pure and simple. Ripard is right to call him out for that BS. |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:05:00 -
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Kirsi Kirjasto wrote: I personally think an apology should be tendered to Erotica 1 from Ripard - at a minimum. However removal from the CSM AND an apology should not be ruled out.
I personally feel only the apology is due.
Not an apology for Ripard holding those opinions - he's welcome to do so - but an apology for not pulling it down when it was clear that his blog was provoking RL threats.
And for that matter, for portraying Mr "I will hunt you mother ******* down and gut your ******* asses" as a naive saint.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3539
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:05:00 -
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Shizuken wrote: Ripard is right to call him out for that BS.
And if he's going to open Pandora's box on whether you can have someone who did not break the rules banned because you don't like them...
then I feel fully justified in asking that he be removed for his disrespectful statements regarding real world torture.
Losing your pixels and getting laughed at is not torture. To say so cheapens real victims and real suffering. It's reprehensible. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:06:00 -
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Ripard's investigative article brought light on shocking cyber-bullying and emotional **** perpetrated on victims by a group of so-called players.
Ripard should be rewarded for his work, even if he has ulterior political motives. |

Shizuken
Venerated Stars
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:06:00 -
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Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:Apparently a serious discussion about whether or not Ripard Teg should remain as a representative OF a community, when he feels it is perfectly acceptable to launch personal attacks on individual members of that community - is now Trolling.
Yet a 100 page threadnaught attacking Erotica 1 is 'game on' for CCP Falcon.
Good to see the spirit of fair play is alive and well in the Dev Corps. I wasn't trolling, by the way. If a standing CSM member can suggest that someone be banned because he personally finds them distasteful, then I would like to call him to task for his statements demeaning real life victims and real suffering by equating "griefing" in a videogame to torture. Which he did repeatedly. Hey, great minds think alike. Took me a bit to edit the OP and find the appropriate quotes - in the process didn't even know another thread on an identical topic. I didn't say you were trolling - Falcon did when he locked your thread. I certainly agree that Ripard Teg went way over the line on this one. Calling for his removal doesn't belong in the 'threadnaught' because that thread was primarily directed at what people think of Erotica 1 and whether or not 'the bonus room' goes too far. THIS is a thread that seriously investigates whether or not Ripard Teg should remain as a CSM rep after conducting himself in a highly inappropriate way. And further, does CCP want to be represented by this type of loose cannon 'calling out' of fellow EVE players? I personally think an apology should be tendered to Erotica 1 from Ripard - at a minimum. However removal from the CSM AND an apology should not be ruled out.
I never wanted a downvote button on these forums much. I am sorry but you two are completely off base on this one.
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:10:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:-1
Ripard's investigative article brought light on shocking cyber-bullying and emotional **** perpetrated on victims by a group of so-called players.
Ripard should be rewarded for his work, even if he has ulterior political motives.
Rewarded with a removal from the CSM! |

Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
617
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:12:00 -
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Ripard is an elected representative, and he is fully entitled to his own blog, and what he has written in it. Attempts to censure him will not work. We elected him, and he speaks with our authority.
Erotica1s cronies, "Bonus Room" fapcircle and other beneficiaries of the proceeds from these OUT OF GAME activities not withstanding, the community at large is appalled and against the conduct evidenced in the recordings and other particulars as outlined by Ripart in his blog.
INB4L.
Its pathetic that one hour after the previous desperate attempt to make the first such thread was locked, you make another. That shows blatant disregard for this forum, its rules and the community |

Volar Kang
Aliastra Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:16:00 -
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Anyone find it odd that before today all these tough guys told miners to HTFU and now today they are crying because someone called a ganker evil? Someone called their little idol evil and they break into tears and call for CSM removal. LOL |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3185
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:17:00 -
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I'm sure the irony of someone calling for a CSM member to be removed as a result of remarks made on an out of game platform, about a person that engages in behavior many distasteful at best via an out of game platform, is lost on not only the OP but most of the posters in this thread. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Lugia3
Emerald Inc. Easily Excited
891
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:17:00 -
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[REDACTED] "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik |

412nv Yaken
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:17:00 -
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Whats funny is, he does double isk, then its the persons own greed that gets the better of them, they should simply say no and walk away winning, though that easy isk is to much of a allure and the lose the game.
The blog post was a massive cry about nothing and at the end of the day, the "victim" only has themselves to blame.
Thats my 2 cents, not that it matters. A True Champion of High Security Space |

Xander Delacroix
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:18:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ripard is an elected representative, and he is fully entitled to his own blog, and what he has written in it. Attempts to censure him will not work. We elected him, and he speaks with our authority.
Erotica1s cronies, "Bonus Room" fapcircle and other beneficiaries of the proceeds from these OUT OF GAME activities not withstanding, the community at large is appalled and against the conduct evidenced in the recordings and other particulars as outlined by Ripart in his blog.
INB4L.
Its pathetic that one hour after the previous desperate attempt to make the first such thread was locked, you make another. That shows blatant disregard for this forum, its rules and the community
Yup, what he said.
*shakes head and mutters at the number of times I've agreed with Salvos today...* |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
813
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:18:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:... the community at large is appalled and against the conduct evidenced in the recordings ... I don't think that is so clear Salvos.
Some of the community is appalled and against the conduct and some of it doesn't appear to be.
I don't think it's possible to claim either group is larger than the other. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
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