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Dr Slice
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Posted - 2006.05.03 15:40:00 -
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An excerpt taken from their website. Read it slowly:
..."This combination only manifests itself on Tranquility due to the necessary circumstances required, which is the reason for this happening so sporadically, without any single reason or change causing it."
Can anyone explain what this means?
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.05.03 15:42:00 -
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It's a combination of circumstances that only happens on tranquility, not sisi, and it can't be attributed to 1 single circumstance, perhaps?
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Rina Shanu
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Posted - 2006.05.03 15:42:00 -
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Politics dear Watson, politics.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
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Posted - 2006.05.03 15:43:00 -
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I presume their mother tongue is icelandic. It has a different sentence structure.
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Aram Gishno
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Posted - 2006.05.03 15:50:00 -
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they simply mean that "this combination" only happens on Tranquility due to the "necessary circumstances required" by which i assume they mean more player activity; which is the reason it happens so sporadically (because it's caused by several factors), thus the line "without any single reason or change causing it".
So, basically, the reason this happens is the necessary circumstances required, and it isn't caused by any single reason, but by several factors. As an example, lot's of bugs are known to slip by simply because they cannot accuratly simulate the load 20000 players puts on the server or similar events.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.05.03 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 03/05/2006 15:52:01
1. No hot fixes, no hardware tempering. Servers didnt get touched by anyone means no reason for cluster to pop.
2. Too many other events that CCP dont know, occuring at the same time to spark a condition for the cluster to go kablooey are the reasons for problems.
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GC13
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Posted - 2006.05.03 16:10:00 -
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Hmmmm... I don't see anything wrong. "That's the reason it happens without any one cause." Does that sound better? Darn yeah it does. But their sentence still makes sense.
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2006.05.03 16:16:00 -
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Bah I say to you.
How's your Icelandic?
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Tabet Saens
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Posted - 2006.05.03 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Tabet Saens on 03/05/2006 16:31:50
 Originally by: Dr Slice
An excerpt taken from their website. Read it slowly:
..."This combination only manifests itself on Tranquility due to the necessary circumstances required, which is the reason for this happening so sporadically, without any single reason or change causing it."
Can anyone explain what this means?
Not isolated to icelandic. Happens in the company I work for all the time, a US tech company.
Let's see.
1. A failure is reported in the test lab with out latest software.
2. Numerous tests are runned to find out if it's
- user error (lolz this is the best)
- single unit hardware or single code change type error
- intermittent "timing" issues associated with 1 piece of code/hardware
- interaction between multiple pieces of hardware/software and with the "right" conditions to cause the event/failure
The first 3 are usually easily figured out and fixed. That last one is the "*****" and usually requires hours and days worth of test/debugging just to isolate the "problem".
I believe CCP is simply trying to explain how some problems persist on Tranquility even though they have a Test server to test their changes on. Alot of folks who don't work in the Tech field, think it's cut and dry, and it sometimes isn't.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.05.03 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis
Bah I say to you.
How's your Icelandic?
What he said.
It's grammatically poor to use the same word twice in a sentence, because it leads to misunderstandings like this one. But CCP's English grammar is a hell of a lot better than my Icelandic, so I'm in no position to complain about it.
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Sanctus Maleficus
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Posted - 2006.05.03 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Sanctus Maleficus on 03/05/2006 17:03:26
I'm with Dr. Slice on this. Its just poor sentence structure and word choice, but decipherable none the less. And I'm pretty sure most of CCP are fluent in english. One dev blog mentioned drinking tea in the morning, and mentioned "Coffee for you non-English heathens", hinting at that perhaps many of the developers aren't Icelandic at all.
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Ashelth
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Posted - 2006.05.03 18:20:00 -
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Yarg... looks like someone was typing while someone/something distracted him/her.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.03 18:36:00 -
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A dev dropping a quick note about a problem they're currently working on day and night is distracted? Unimaginable!
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Nickname Taken
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Posted - 2006.05.03 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Nickname Taken on 03/05/2006 19:05:06
I don't speak a single word of Icelandic, but I still expect someone who choose to communicate professionally in English to make sense. I don't see what other people's Icelandic skills has to do with that.
Just commenting on the 'your Icelandic sucks, so shut up' comments, not on whether CCP made sense or not in this particular case.
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Coconut Joe
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Posted - 2006.05.03 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nickname Taken
Edited by: Nickname Taken on 03/05/2006 19:05:06
I don't speak a single word of Icelandic, but I still expect someone who choose to communicate professionally in English to make sense. I don't see what other people's Icelandic skills has to do with that.
Just commenting on the 'your Icelandic sucks, so shut up' comments, not on whether CCP made sense or not in this particular case.
So you're bascialy nit-picking, and complaining when others nit-pick back at you?
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IVeige
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Posted - 2006.05.03 19:50:00 -
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As long as he is a uber wtf bbq pawnmachine eve developper  , he can talk the language he want.
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Nickname Taken
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Posted - 2006.05.03 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Coconut Joe
Originally by: Nickname Taken
Edited by: Nickname Taken on 03/05/2006 19:05:06
I don't speak a single word of Icelandic, but I still expect someone who choose to communicate professionally in English to make sense. I don't see what other people's Icelandic skills has to do with that.
Just commenting on the 'your Icelandic sucks, so shut up' comments, not on whether CCP made sense or not in this particular case.
So you're bascialy nit-picking, and complaining when others nit-pick back at you?
Who nit-picked on me? 
I'm just saying that 'your Icelandic sucks' isn't any excuse to write poor English to your customers.
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Pakalolo
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Posted - 2006.05.03 20:32:00 -
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Here's my favorite CCP-speak:
2006.04.13 16:58:27 notify Automatic
override. Manual control overridden by
autopilot. Please wait for operation to
complete.You can override the automatic
autopilot override in 30 seconds. Then you
can make it wait.
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Sarai Atvar
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Posted - 2006.05.03 20:37:00 -
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All the more reason for CCP to hire writers and editors, namely me!
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.05.03 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nickname Taken
Edited by: Nickname Taken on 03/05/2006 19:05:06
I don't speak a single word of Icelandic, but I still expect someone who choose to communicate professionally in English to make sense. I don't see what other people's Icelandic skills has to do with that.
Fair point. I'm sure CCP will bow to your wishes and modify your client especially, so that it's all in Icelandic and the grammar will be perfect. You'll be happy then.
Or you could get a clue. I think they're on sale in Jita.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.04 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
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Or you could get a clue. I think they're on sale in Jita.
You know that explains why so many people get suicided in Jita. 
To the OP, roughly translated I think it means:
"WTF This never happened on the test server. We found one of the servers had been used as an ashtray and failed but even after we cleaned that up it was still a problem so we know it's not the only reason. We think that we know how to fix it but won't know for sure until it happens again and we are all poised in a state of cat like readiness waiting for a crash."
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Ann Mari
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Posted - 2006.05.04 08:11:00 -
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Edited by: Ann Mari on 04/05/2006 08:11:44
Originally by: Dr Slice
An excerpt taken from their website. Read it slowly:
..."This combination only manifests itself on Tranquility due to the necessary circumstances required, which is the reason for this happening so sporadically, without any single reason or change causing it."
Can anyone explain what this means?
We can't f'ing understand it! This fts prob only pops up on Tranq! I mean WTF?!?! Only Tranq is wtfpoonzor loaded enuff (and complex enuff) to bring these suxor bugs to the surface. And to make it worse, the circumstances required for the crash is soooo friggin complex that we can't even recreate it!!! And just for the record, we havn't changed anything to make these bugs. Everything is at it was. These gawddamn things just started popping out the woodwork!
But as always, we got our ghost buster laser guns pew pew at the ready, and we'll pounce on each of these buggers as soon as they stick their heads out. One at a time.
A bit clearer now? 
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Whelan Iskander
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Posted - 2006.05.04 13:07:00 -
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Can't even see what all the pooha is about. This is perfectly clear, and not even such bad grammar. It's quite normal when writing up tech specs to use language like this.
Grammar is for proza and books, technical documentation is a whole other linguistic register. (Let us tentatively propose the following definition of Register:
A set of specialized vocabulary and preferred (or dispreferred) syntactic and rhetorical devices/structures, used by specific socio-professional groups for special purposes. A register is a property or characteristic of a language, and not of an individual or a class of speakers.)
Source: google it yerself
What it says, for those that are still in the dark:
A combination of specific circumstances(1) that can be found only in Tranquility, triggers an event(2) or error(3). The set of forementioned circumstances(1) thus is the reason for said event(2) or error(3).
Why this set of circumstance(1) leads to this event(2) or error(3) is yet unknown, or unclear. Hence, their is no clear or single reason causing the event(2) or error(3)
*addendum* CCP said it in three lines, explaining it in proper english could take half a page. Guess why technical language is used...
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Cudaya Ebsldes
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Posted - 2006.05.04 16:02:00 -
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Quote:
. ."This combination only manifests itself on Tranquility due to the necessary circumstances required, which is the reason for this happening so sporadically, without any single reason or change causing it."
I think WhelanÆs post makes the most sense, but I like the earthy explanation of Ann Mari the best.
Or you could say: It happens (on Tranquility) without rhyme or reason. (colloquial)
Or: We havenÆt yet determined the cause of this randomly occurring bug.
Secretly, I think its doublespeak.
If you want to talk technical then do so. This is half jargon, half English.
An amusing and enjoyable post.
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.05.04 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Try directly translating english into another language and it makes no sense at all.
Translate English into English and it rarely makes any sense 
To the OP: In a nutshell 'an intermittent fault'.
You do something to narrow down the cause of the fault although you still don't actually know what the cause is.
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Tanaka Atsuko
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Posted - 2006.05.04 19:03:00 -
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you should transulate japanese there sentence structure does not convert to english very well at all its the same for about any language i dont think iceland has its own language thats like saying mexicans speak mexican and canadians speak canadian and americans speak american
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Sparky Hanrahan
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Posted - 2006.05.04 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Sparky Hanrahan on 04/05/2006 19:14:59
Originally by: Tanaka Atsuko
you should transulate japanese there sentence structure does not convert to english very well at all its the same for about any language i dont think iceland has its own language thats like saying mexicans speak mexican and canadians speak canadian and americans speak american
I think something might have been lost in translation, but the language people speak in Iceland is in fact, Icelandic(-slenska). It's a very interesting amalgamation of scandinavian and pre-norman english, phonetically speaking.
(edit: durn mah poor spellin')
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.05.04 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tanaka Atsuko
you should transulate japanese there sentence structure does not convert to english very well at all its the same for about any language i dont think iceland has its own language thats like saying mexicans speak mexican and canadians speak canadian and americans speak american
I can tell you: Americans don't speak English. They can hardly understand 50% of what I say . Can any American tell me what a 'flat' is heh?
[FYI: This post was made drunk]
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0August0
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Posted - 2006.05.04 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hunters Presence
Can any American tell me what a 'flat' is heh?
1. A punctured tire
2. A Brit word for "apartment".
Do i win your stuff?
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Whelan Iskander
Can't even see what all the pooha is about. This is perfectly clear, and not even such bad grammar. It's quite normal when writing up tech specs to use language like this.
Grammar is for proza and books, technical documentation is a whole other linguistic register.
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*addendum* CCP said it in three lines, explaining it in proper english could take half a page. Guess why technical language is used...
And what you just described in several paragraphs is the well-known fact that engineers can't write 
CCP's publications share one common trait: they are often unintelligible - and that's not an issue of register. I like a convoluted sentence as much as the next guy; but when references are all over the place, are pointing nowhere, and are further obfuscated by an often curious and inconsistent choice of words, I, too, go "Huh?".
I just gave up reading the news for any other reason than a good laugh.
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